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Post by steveisback on Feb 21, 2022 13:47:20 GMT -6
I am with Jimmy on this, not like it will happen but it definitely makes sense. Now, Baldwin has to go especially if she is not going to be duplicitous with rationale she used with Jeter. Problem is she is duplicitious and will switch moral relativity at will to justify her own self interest. Or will use the pandemic as an excuse or is afraid of pressure from above to be politically correct though can not totally absolve her of that assumption given the whole Otzeberger, Mone thing....
Anyway, here is what is gnawing at me. We still have great potential even with mediocre administrative support if we get an outstanding coach. Problem is who is going to come here and work for her? And do we trust her with hiring decision even if she had full authority....What i lose sleep over is all this coming home to roost when the arena lease expires and a short sighted decision is made. If I were a coaching candidate one of my questions even if Braun is here is if they arena lease is being renewed or will they pull a stealth move back to campus citing the pandemic, budget concerns etc...Jimmy, do you know how much that arrangement is costing per year? If they want to somewhat defray the cost they can get rid of the bullpen sign at AmFam IMO....this would be a huge step back. We have already stepped back to the brink of oblivion and I think this would be the final....well. maybe that is what they really want....I am really depressed over that whole potential prospect
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 13:56:56 GMT -6
This is definitely THE lowest point I've ever experienced as a Panther fan (and there's been some sh** go down). Almost despair now. Hard to describe. And hard to fathom many people could care less. It's not the right way to "do a college". Short-sights indeed.  |
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Post by BBFran on Feb 21, 2022 14:04:01 GMT -6
steve, I think you are very right to be concerned. In the five ticket selling seasons (excluding the covid no fans year) since she fired Jeter, it is extremely unlikely that we have had two games in which the entire crowd in attendance would not have fit in the Klotsche. For MOST games since then, we literally would not have had to pull out the "end zone" bleachers to accommodate the crowd. For MANY games, you could have fit the whole crowd into the Klotsche west side stands.
I don't know what the Arena cost is either, but whatever it is, it has been an immense waste of money strictly from an attendance standpoint for a program that doesn't have money to spare. If the program seems like it will be moribund into the future (spoiler alert: it WILL be as long as AB is the AD), maybe the next chancellor looks at the cost and simply says "no way."
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Post by steveisback on Feb 21, 2022 14:24:57 GMT -6
Have certainly learned to hope for the best but expect, no assume, the worst from our alma mater when it comes to athletics. Looking back at the original announcement of this ten years ago Mone's big thing was that it was great "signage" for "Milwaukee's University" and would increase visibility and profile . Zero mention of athletics. If he still thinks this is of benefit as it was supposed to also host other university events, concerts etc which was the gist of the article, again not athletics maybe he will direct renewal of this. The cynic in me thinks he will revert to Andy Geigers pull out bleacher mentality. Any donor help after Brauns tenure is probably unrealistic in helping with this although funding did supposedly come from UWM Foundation. Maybe that is a worthy effort. Put pressure on the Foundation but they never seemed to care much at least based on my very past tenure as Head of Black and Gold Club in Cobb days. Would not even answer inquiries from us.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 21, 2022 17:07:30 GMT -6
This is definitely THE lowest point I've ever experienced as a Panther fan (and there's been some sh** go down). Almost despair now. Hard to describe. And hard to fathom many people could care less. It's not the right way to "do a college". Short-sights indeed. There is one good thing. Every single one of us on this board is on the same page. Get rid of Baldwin. Get rid of Braun. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 10:09:56 GMT -6
"Sometimes you look back and think, 'What if?" -PBS quote of the PBS era
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 10:14:44 GMT -6
Also fwiw- my money is on PBJ foregoing the NBA draft as he might not have any organizations willing to take a chance on unproven talent. And playing (probably very, very well as our luck would most certainly have it) at NU or Duke next season for a tuneup before going pro.
We seem to be cursed, imo.
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Post by Petes on Feb 22, 2022 10:38:04 GMT -6
Also fwiw- my money is on PBJ foregoing the NBA draft as he might not have any organizations willing to take a chance on unproven talent. And playing (probably very, very well as our luck would most certainly have it) at NU or Duke next season for a tuneup before going pro. We seem to be cursed, imo. Give the nba double the amount of film to show he’s not good because that makes sense. |
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Feb 22, 2022 11:58:18 GMT -6
"Sometimes you look back and think, 'What if?" -PBS quote of the PBS era As in, “What if I could actually coach?”? |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 22, 2022 12:25:58 GMT -6
Also fwiw- my money is on PBJ foregoing the NBA draft as he might not have any organizations willing to take a chance on unproven talent. And playing (probably very, very well as our luck would most certainly have it) at NU or Duke next season for a tuneup before going pro. We seem to be cursed, imo. Give the nba double the amount of film to show he’s not good because that makes sense. I would argue that there's never been concrete evidence that he was NBA material in the first place. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 22, 2022 17:04:55 GMT -6
One thing that seems weird to me is there’s been no updates on recruiting since December. This is definitely a recruiting period and no word on any offers, visits, reports of coaches being at games, etc.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 22, 2022 19:30:28 GMT -6
I’m honestly perplexed that you would ask that ‘Holic. What’s the sales pitch? Any kid or his family or high school coach that did the smallest amount of checking into our situation would presumably be asking a number of very tough questions, not least: “How long is your contract?; Will you still be playing downtown when I arrive?; Is the University committed to keeping a D1 basketball program?; Have your current players committed to stay? Which ones?“ Etc. And that’s all aside from the obvious concerns about the team’s five year record of failure under this coaching staff.
When Braun engineered Jeter’s lame duck status she used this recruiting issue as a rationale to fire him. The problem is that things are massively worse now than they were then.
I would have been far more surprised if we HAD seen any recruiting updates. But they would have been meaningless anyway. No kid with any other options is going to commit to us at this point. If PBS is staying then his chief recruiting job now, by far, is to hold on to as many current players as he can and convince the two high school kids not to ask out of their commitments.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 23, 2022 10:07:56 GMT -6
It’s not like I WANT him to be in charge of the roster but if he’s here next year, he’ll have to do it. I honestly don’t understand how he’ll retain the two players that signed in the Fall but to each their own. If he’s here, I’m guessing he’ll have to go with a lot of grad transfers who mostly care about playing time.
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 23, 2022 12:13:40 GMT -6
Next year, he;s a lame duck, period. His record speaks for itself. What kid with any ambition of going pro, or at the least having a good D1 career is going to come here, when the coach couldnt even get his own son, an extremely highly ranked player( and as it turns out, extremely OVERranked player) to improve this program? The coach has won just 38% of his games, and lost at least 17 games in every full season he's coached (if not for the pandemic we likely lose at least 17 in 2020 as well). thats not a record that recommends itself to players, in truth they want nothing to do with a guy with that bad a record.
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Post by buppie05 on Feb 23, 2022 12:38:17 GMT -6
Next year, he;s a lame duck, period. His record speaks for itself. What kid with any ambition of going pro, or at the least having a good D1 career is going to come here, when the coach couldnt even get his own son, an extremely highly ranked player( and as it turns out, extremely OVERranked player) to improve this program? The coach has won just 38% of his games, and lost at least 17 games in every full season he's coached (if not for the pandemic we likely lose at least 17 in 2020 as well). thats not a record that recommends itself to players, in truth they want nothing to do with a guy with that bad a record. We will see how the season ends. If we make the NCAA tournament (I can feel the eye rolls as certain posters read this) I wouldn’t mind having PBS coach his lame duck year. Any other result, the cost of having another season of sub par Panther basketball will be higher than paying PBS a 1 season buy out. If a coach like Lamont Paris is willing to come here, we can’t afford to miss out on something like that. The opportunity cost is too high to spiral further down. We could literally have an IUPUI season next year, where we are scouring the pick up games on campus for talent. The rebuild is already daunting enough. |
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