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Post by BBFran on Jan 28, 2022 11:15:29 GMT -6
It's time for the University administration and the Athletic Board to take control of this disaster.
We all know PBS's last game here is coming very soon. But let's not stay silent if our AD tries to make it look like she's solving a problem not of her doing by firing him, whether it's today or at the end of this sixth consecutive god-awful season. This catastrophe is 100% on her. Period. End of story. Her decisions have engineered the absolute destruction of our only athletic program with the ability to raise revenue -- or the University's profile. We have lost SIX YEARS. And I hate to say it, but there's probably no Bo Ryan out there who could refloat this sinking ship in less than a couple years at least. So we will have almost certainly lost the better part of a DECADE no matter what happens or who the next coach is. If we are saddled with another bad coaching hire, it could be more than that! And you can be confident that's exactly what will happen if this AD is allowed to hire the next coach.
Meanwhile, we are now orphaned in a bad league while our peer institution has left for an immensely better situation. Another disaster.
Is there ANY accountability in this program?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 28, 2022 12:15:20 GMT -6
I was thinking about this last night and have already spoken to several good friends about this: if this University was even remotely serious about Division 1 athletics, heads would have rolled this morning. Look at our remaining schedule and read Baldwin's words: there is truly NO hope for the rest of the year. How is the women's team doing?
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Post by steveisback on Jan 28, 2022 12:20:23 GMT -6
Gonna take some time.....have to vet first with Lena Taylor and Tammy Baldwin
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Post by buppie05 on Jan 28, 2022 17:31:58 GMT -6
It's time for the University administration and the Athletic Board to take control of this disaster. We all know PBS's last game here is coming very soon. But let's not stay silent if our AD tries to make it look like she's solving a problem not of her doing by firing him, whether it's today or at the end of this sixth consecutive god-awful season. This catastrophe is 100% on her. Period. End of story. Her decisions have engineered the absolute destruction of our only athletic program with the ability to raise revenue -- or the University's profile. We have lost SIX YEARS. And I hate to say it, but there's probably no Bo Ryan out there who could refloat this sinking ship in less than a couple years at least. So we will have almost certainly lost the better part of a DECADE no matter what happens or who the next coach is. If we are saddled with another bad coaching hire, it could be more than that! And you can be confident that's exactly what will happen if this AD is allowed to hire the next coach. Meanwhile, we are now orphaned in a bad league while our peer institution has left for an immensely better situation. Another disaster. Is there ANY accountability in this program? I’ll probably catch an ear beating from this board for positivity, but here goes. There is, in fact, a coach out there who can right this ship, and do it quickly. We need to not make the same mistake again by hiring an “up and coming” assistant. That would be the definition of insanity. We need to find a proven head coach, and that coach is out there. Remaining in the Horizon is a good thing. The fact that the Horizon is down , to me, means that it won’t take the new coach long to be competitive. Why leave this conference if we can dominate it? To me, unless a perfect opportunity presented itself, I would rather be in the Horizon. Finally, this season is not lost. Why? This team is still tremendously talented. I know you don’t believe this Fran, but I see players like JT, Melo, Dree etc. , and see guys that would have contributed on any Panthers team. Melo shoots 92% FT and 40+% from 3. He should be a killer in this league. JT shoots the lights out , and is great in all facets. If the team has stopped playing for PBS , well then the higher ups should be considering a change so that we aren’t wasting the potential of this years team, as maybe there is an assistant than can make something out of this dumpster fire. I’ll keep cheering for these kids and this team, as I know they have the talent to win this league. No other team has proven that they can beat Oakland besides us, we just need consistency. |
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Post by nickpanther on Jan 28, 2022 18:12:15 GMT -6
It's time for the University administration and the Athletic Board to take control of this disaster. We all know PBS's last game here is coming very soon. But let's not stay silent if our AD tries to make it look like she's solving a problem not of her doing by firing him, whether it's today or at the end of this sixth consecutive god-awful season. This catastrophe is 100% on her. Period. End of story. Her decisions have engineered the absolute destruction of our only athletic program with the ability to raise revenue -- or the University's profile. We have lost SIX YEARS. And I hate to say it, but there's probably no Bo Ryan out there who could refloat this sinking ship in less than a couple years at least. So we will have almost certainly lost the better part of a DECADE no matter what happens or who the next coach is. If we are saddled with another bad coaching hire, it could be more than that! And you can be confident that's exactly what will happen if this AD is allowed to hire the next coach. Meanwhile, we are now orphaned in a bad league while our peer institution has left for an immensely better situation. Another disaster. Is there ANY accountability in this program? I’ll probably catch an ear beating from this board for positivity, but here goes. There is, in fact, a coach out there who can right this ship, and do it quickly. We need to not make the same mistake again by hiring an “up and coming” assistant. That would be the definition of insanity. We need to find a proven head coach, and that coach is out there. Remaining in the Horizon is a good thing. The fact that the Horizon is down , to me, means that it won’t take the new coach long to be competitive. Why leave this conference if we can dominate it? To me, unless a perfect opportunity presented itself, I would rather be in the Horizon. Finally, this season is not lost. Why? This team is still tremendously talented. I know you don’t believe this Fran, but I see players like JT, Melo, Dree etc. , and see guys that would have contributed on any Panthers team. Melo shoots 92% FT and 40+% from 3. He should be a killer in this league. JT shoots the lights out , and is great in all facets. If the team has stopped playing for PBS , well then the higher ups should be considering a change so that we aren’t wasting the potential of this years team, as maybe there is an assistant than can make something out of this dumpster fire. I’ll keep cheering for these kids and this team, as I know they have the talent to win this league. No other team has proven that they can beat Oakland besides us, we just need consistency. buppie, with all due respect, we need a lot more than consistency. we need execution too. And frankly, we arent consistent, in the positive sense, and haven't been since, oh 2010 or 2011? the HLT run in 14 was a shock to just about everyone, as was the run to the HLT title game under Lavall. Consistent, well coached teams, don;t do Cinderella runs, because winning is, to a large degree, expected. When we are consistent, we do what we are supposed to do, night in, night out, and winning, and winning a lot, follows. As we win, fans start coming out. we had hype for the early part of the season, with something like 4000 fans the opening week. as PBJ has stopped playing in games and the team does its familiar post-Mid-January slide, fans stay away, and whatever hype and promise has long since fizzled out. I'm still here, because I'm an alumnus, and I like following the games with fellow Panther fans, even if, at this point I go into each game with no expectations. |
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Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 28, 2022 18:59:40 GMT -6
Welcome back, buppie05. The Debbie Downer syndrome that most of us have fallen into needs to be offset by alternative rational perspectives like yours. I'm glad you "just stop(ped) it" for only a couple of weeks.
Regarding the next coach, I am grasping onto the hope that even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, because I doubt any higher ups in the administration or athletic department are going away anytime soon. Your scenario seems realistic to me. As far as the rest of this season is concerned, maybe the reality of do or die basketball in March will positively self-motivate the team. It is obvious this current coaching staff can't.
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Jan 29, 2022 11:13:37 GMT -6
Some thoughts on my part offers a different approach. I fully realize the program is stuck but wonder if firing Baldwin is the right decision. I don’t know AD Braun from Adam. Let me explain. The Coach is protecting his son from further injury. I think I would do the same but my son is 40 years old and 5’4”. The school has agreed to provide an education to Baldwin Jr. in exchange for his athletic talent and character. That is not in doubt. He will be a first round pick in The NBA. Henry Ellenson was after all. Junior under the current collective agreement is about to make at least 1.5 million for three years and as much as 8.5 million. I believe he will fall in the middle at about 4 million. Now let’s assume that The Baldwin family values education as well as money. I hope they do. They should. Is it possible for Junior to graduate from UWM? There are many ways to do so these days. He may even get a Masters Degree someday. How many graduates of UWM make a million dollars before graduation. He is already making money with UW Credit Union. Correct me if I am wrong. The Baldwin Family members are extremely valuable assets to this institution. Winning will come. Support is needed. I am so tired of the nature of sport at all levels. My approach is about money. Why risk it all because we want it now. We will have a practice facility. We will be competitive in the future. Believe!
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 29, 2022 11:29:39 GMT -6
Some thoughts on my part offers a different approach. I fully realize the program is stuck but wonder if firing Baldwin is the right decision. I don’t know AD Braun from Adam. Let me explain. The Coach is protecting his son from further injury. I think I would do the same but my son is 40 years old and 5’4”. The school has agreed to provide an education to Baldwin Jr. in exchange for his athletic talent and character. That is not in doubt. He will be a first round pick in The NBA. Henry Ellenson was after all. Junior under the current collective agreement is about to make at least 1.5 million for three years and as much as 8.5 million. I believe he will fall in the middle at about 4 million. Now let’s assume that The Baldwin family values education as well as money. I hope they do. They should. Is it possible for Junior to graduate from UWM? There are many ways to do so these days. He may even get a Masters Degree someday. How many graduates of UWM make a million dollars before graduation. He is already making money with UW Credit Union. Correct me if I am wrong. The Baldwin Family members are extremely valuable assets to this institution. Winning will come. Support is needed. I am so tired of the nature of sport at all levels. My approach is about money. Why risk it all because we want it now. We will have a practice facility. We will be competitive in the future. Believe! Are you saying that PBS should remain coach for the rest of the year or are you suggesting that PBS be extended beyond this year because of his son’s name recognition? If you’re saying that PBS should remain coach for the rest of this season (I.e. not fired right now) but then the university should let the contract expire and hire a new coach after his season, I can see that point of view. This season is probably lost either way, and unless UWM decides to fire PBS for cause using the loophole that he isn’t recruiting for and coaching the soccer team, UWM is out the money anyways. And frankly, I don’t trust anybody brought on by PBS to be significantly better than PBS; at least not significantly enough to be a real contender this year. After this year, though, I feel that there is no universe where winning will come with this head coach. Unlike most on this board, I have some faith that this administration could choose a winner of a head coach after this year. PBS is obviously a loser, but Amanda Braun’s previous choice of TJO has done a good job, and I still look at the improvement that many of our players took from Jeter’s last year to Jordan’s first year as a sign that LaVall Jordan could be a really good coach, especially with more experience at the mid major level. PBS has had five years to do something with Milwaukee basketball. The best finish he’s had was 6/10, and that was with Jeter’s and Jordan’s returning players. He has never finished in the top half of the conference, and only once sniffed the mediocre middle of the conference which was the standard for the ten years before he took over (and that was with players he didn’t recruit). If you’re suggesting that PBS should be extended because his son will raise the profile of the university, I’d venture to say you’re sorely mistaken. I can think of one time a player rose the profile of a university largely by himself, and that was Steph Curry. The difference is that Steph Curry lead his team to the elite 8. It would be surprising if PBJ leads this Milwaukee team to a top 8 finish in the Horizon League this year. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 29, 2022 12:05:44 GMT -6
I appreciate what you're saying and enjoy your contributions to the board, DTP, but at this point I would be thrilled with a 20-13 record. After all, you have to walk before you can run and at the moment this program is on crutches in triage!
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 29, 2022 12:08:36 GMT -6
I appreciate what you're saying and enjoy your contributions to the board, DTP, but at this point I would be thrilled with a 20-13 record. After all, you have to walk before you can run and at the moment this program is on crutches in triage! There’s no doubt that mediocre middle of the conference would be a huge step up right now. |
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Post by DunneDeal on Jan 29, 2022 13:01:48 GMT -6
The Baldwin Family is not an asset to this school.
Even if he became a perennial all star in the NBA..no one out there is like...omg he went to UWM.
Senior has proven he cannot coach a full season. His January record alone proves that. He lacks an ability to make an adjustment.
He provides no benefit to the university and if they just let the contract expire it couldn't come soon enough.
Perhaps he is coach until the season is done and the following day let go of.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 29, 2022 13:06:57 GMT -6
The Baldwin Family is not an asset to this school. Even if he became a perennial all star in the NBA..no one out there is like...omg he went to UWM. Senior has proven he cannot coach a full season. His January record alone proves that. He lacks an ability to make an adjustment. He provides no benefit to the university and if they just let the contract expire it couldn't come soon enough. Perhaps he is coach until the season is done and the following day let go of. Let's focus today on what nearly ALL of us agree upon. THIS!!!!!!! |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Jan 29, 2022 14:48:00 GMT -6
I think haroldlee went to Woodstock and never came home, or he is on the International Space Station.
That's a ridiculous take. To want to keep a guy that this year alone has lost to a SWAC team at home, been dumptrucked by 1 win Robert Morris, and is currently getting dumptrucked by Youngstown (all firable offenses individually, not even mentioning the fraud he and his kid are perpetrating) is the most horrific of opinions. In 5 years, there has been ZERO growth not only of the program, but of one individual player who has been here. You need look no further than the mass exodus of players every year.
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Post by TBone on Jan 29, 2022 15:00:15 GMT -6
Some thoughts on my part offers a different approach. I fully realize the program is stuck but wonder if firing Baldwin is the right decision. I don’t know AD Braun from Adam. Let me explain. The Coach is protecting his son from further injury. I think I would do the same but my son is 40 years old and 5’4”. The school has agreed to provide an education to Baldwin Jr. in exchange for his athletic talent and character. That is not in doubt. He will be a first round pick in The NBA. Henry Ellenson was after all. Junior under the current collective agreement is about to make at least 1.5 million for three years and as much as 8.5 million. I believe he will fall in the middle at about 4 million. Now let’s assume that The Baldwin family values education as well as money. I hope they do. They should. Is it possible for Junior to graduate from UWM? There are many ways to do so these days. He may even get a Masters Degree someday. How many graduates of UWM make a million dollars before graduation. He is already making money with UW Credit Union. Correct me if I am wrong. The Baldwin Family members are extremely valuable assets to this institution. Winning will come. Support is needed. I am so tired of the nature of sport at all levels. My approach is about money. Why risk it all because we want it now. We will have a practice facility. We will be competitive in the future. Believe! Does firing Baldwin now accomplish anything? Maybe. Maybe the players in the program are more willing to play under someone else. But maybe not as well. In either case, this team isn't going anywhere this year. I agree, PBS is protecting PBJ from injury and subsequently falling in the draft. But the team without PBJ should be able to compete and even beat some of the teams that are now destroying us. We just got blown out by a team with 1 conference win before we came to town. We're now getting blown away by a team that will sweep us on the year and they're ranked 244th by KenPom. We lost to UIC which has an intriguing 3-6 conference record. We lost to Alcorn State. At home. PBS has proven he's just a downright horrible in-game coach and has rarely prepared the players properly as well. There are numerous examples of this. As I've mentioned previously, even when the team has a good half, often the other half of the same game is a disaster. Is it possible for Jr to graduate from Milwaukee? Yes. Likely? No. How many early draft entries go back to get their degree - especially those drafted in the first round or lottery picks? Even if he decides to get his degree somewhere, it's likely the Baldwin family won't be high on UWM because I see no possible way Sr is still here next year based on my second paragraph. I see no way this can end well. Will Jr make donations to a university that "gave him a chance" then bailed on his dad? Doubtful because he was recruited by most every blue chip program out there. Even so, there's a CEO of a pretty prominent company that's a Milwaukee graduate. That company is Microsoft and the graduate is Satya Nadelle. He's made some pretty hefty donations to the university already. I'm sure there are others that I'm not aware of. Given the lack of games he's played in, I wouldn't be surprised to see him stating his high school when he introduces himself in NBA broadcasts - should his ankle ever heal enough for him to play. I can assure you there is no way way we will be competitive with Sr. at the helm. If we can't be competitive with a future NBA first rounder in the games he played, losing to some downright bad teams with Jr. playing, we won't be competitive at the D1 level with Sr coaching the team. These are his players, and he's shown 0 growth as a coach. We've actually gotten worse as time has gone on. Move on, find another coach - perhaps looking to lower Division teams that have shown success (ie Bruce Pearl) and perhaps we can find lightning in a bottle again. As it is, we have a firefly in a bottle, and we forgot to punch air holes in the top of the jar. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 29, 2022 17:34:38 GMT -6
I don't know if it is a smart move to do it now instead of waiting until the end of the season, but I think they need to fire Baldwin immediately. His son isn't playing again this season. We got taken on a joy ride by the Baldwins before the season started. It's now time to send them packing.
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