dutchpthr
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Post by dutchpthr on Feb 6, 2013 12:34:14 GMT -6
when you have the drop in the on court product from where this program was a decade ago to where they are now, how can you not be upset?
And when it appears that the only thing to really change has been the coaching staff and the philosophies of the staff then how can you not point the finger for the drop in the quality in the product to the person who is currently in charge of the product?
Now I understand that there are lots of factors but the situation is we have not progressed as a program since 2006 you could make a case that we have went backwards, and even 2006 can be attributed to the previous coaching group if you want it to be so.
So i say this while Jeter and staff may not be at fault for every thing that people try to blame them for they are not a blameless group that can go well if it weren't or this we wouldn't be that, because that is something you can do in every any walk of life, sometimes you just have to deal with the things you don;t like and move above them, i think that many on here see it basically as a staff who is not trying to move forward in spite of the issue we have as a program but rather are willing to just throw up their hands figuratively and go well its not my fault it cause of what other people have done, and I'm sorry but that is an excuse that has gotten very old and very tiresome with many folks here. If that is something you don't agree with or don't see that is fine but it is not like that is something many fans are making up, sometimes perception is reality.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Feb 6, 2013 13:19:11 GMT -6
As the old saying goes, the truth hurts. Also, I 'd rather have the die-hards hear voicing their opinions then yelling them at the Klotsche.
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Post by Hack on Feb 6, 2013 13:51:37 GMT -6
"If you don't like what is being said, then change the conversation."
- Don Draper
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 6, 2013 14:13:24 GMT -6
it's getting really boring and predictable. It's a lot like our Men's Basketball in that regard. I wonder if you would feel different if you had invested anywhere near the time and money I (and several others) have into this program. You've never known anything but Jeter as coach. I feel ripped off and taken advantage of. I know I'm not alone in that opinion. Exactly. What should piss people off isn't the way in which people are venting, but the source of why the venting is occurring. Jimmy wasn't around for Ric Cobb but I and many others on this board were. And the crap we're watching now is worse than anything we saw back then. |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Feb 6, 2013 14:23:02 GMT -6
Diddo.
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Post by shadow32 on Feb 6, 2013 15:11:41 GMT -6
I was at all the games during the Cobb era. That was much worse than this is. You could count the people in the stands and some were sleeping and some just came in to get out of the cold. This has been an awful year but comparing any Jeter team to those dismal Cobb years is inaccurate to say the least. None of Cobb's teams would have given Davidson a run. The lack of discipline, skill and fundamentals was very apparent. Jeter has coached very well at times and has developed some players very well. Be done with Rob if you like, base it on this year OK, but you lose credibility when you bring Cobb's name into the discussion.
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Feb 6, 2013 16:08:48 GMT -6
This has become the sh*t-on-coach-Jeter board, and it's getting really boring and predictable. If by boring you mean our offense and predictable you mean our poor starts to games, poor starts to the 2nd half, disorganization after timeouts, lack of player development, players leaving the program, desperate late season recruiting, lame post game comments, and the inability of our coach to motivate, then yes, I couldn't agree with you more. |
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 6, 2013 17:50:34 GMT -6
I was at all the games during the Cobb era. That was much worse than this is. You could count the people in the stands and some were sleeping and some just came in to get out of the cold. This has been an awful year but comparing any Jeter team to those dismal Cobb years is inaccurate to say the least. None of Cobb's teams would have given Davidson a run. The lack of discipline, skill and fundamentals was very apparent. Jeter has coached very well at times and has developed some players very well. Be done with Rob if you like, base it on this year OK, but you lose credibility when you bring Cobb's name into the discussion. It's fine if you want to be a Jeter apologist as that's your right, but don't try and tell me this season is better than any terrible season under Ric Cobb. Cobb's teams were overmatched most nights from a talent standpoint, but I never saw them mail in entire halves without seeming to care. I never saw players give up on the coach in the middle of the season (Kyle Kelm). Cobb was in over his head to say the least, but those teams played hard. Jeter has developed players? Who exactly besides Anthony Hill and maybe Tony Meier? What I have seen are plenty of young, highly-touted recruits bail out of here after a year or two. And the trajectory in which this program is headed, it won't be long before you'll be able count the number of fans at a Panthers game once again. On the 10-year anniversary of this program's arrival on the national scene, that is an extremely depressing and disappointing thought. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 6, 2013 17:58:45 GMT -6
Whenever any comparisons between Ric Cobb and Rob Jeter are drawn, the state of the program at the time of inheritance and coaching salaries must also always be considered.
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Post by PJD on Feb 6, 2013 18:22:59 GMT -6
UWM97's got it right. I've gotten so tired of the 'mailing it in' that my remaining season tickets are just sitting at home, collecting dust. I graduated in '89 and supported this team throughout that time and the team played hard, no matter what their record. I just can't take going over to a game now and watching the team 'mail it in'. It's just flat out painful. Why sit in my seat and be pissed about things and they lose by 20. What's there to support? If you can't figure out a way to 'play hard' at this level, why should I come? Sorry, I feel no shame in my approach on this as an alum and fan.
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Post by shadow32 on Feb 7, 2013 10:55:03 GMT -6
I agree this team is not giving the required effort for a full 40 minutes and I agree you can blame Jeter and his staff. But if you think those Cobb teams were giving the max you weren't really watching. Cobb had several player personnel issues and transfers.
He garnered little respect and didn't recruit all that well. I will not argue with you on the deficiencies of our current program I am only saying that this pales in comparison to the nightmare we had during all of Ric's tenure.
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Post by Hack on Feb 7, 2013 11:06:04 GMT -6
One big caveat difference between the two regimes as well:
One didn't have the momentum of multiple NCAA tournament berths to build on.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 7, 2013 13:31:35 GMT -6
One big caveat difference between the two regimes as well: One didn't have the momentum of multiple NCAA tournament berths to build on. I was told that the cupboard was empty when Jeter arrived.  |
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 7, 2013 14:04:25 GMT -6
Ah yes, forgot about that one!
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