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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 17:39:39 GMT -6
The problem is those "quiet older fans" are the ones spending money on tickets and talking the program up. Outside of a handful of students, you wouldnt even know the student section, that you prefer, exists. I'm not trying to pit this as students vs paying fans but if therr is a choice to be made, the students can take a backseat because they already aren't going. I saw you and your group of eight "older" fans being extremely quiet last night, FTA. LOL!!! I couldn't hear what you guys were saying, though, above all of our shouting.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 17:41:53 GMT -6
Bottom line: many of us will go to the K for the sake of the program and not like it; many others will simply choose not to go.
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 17:51:08 GMT -6
Bottom line on the K: many of us will go there for the sake of the program and not like it; many others will simply choose not to go. You definitely have more experience and insight into the program than me, as I'm relatively new, and I see where you're coming from on a lot of your points. However, I personally am more inclined to go to a game at a smaller and not-as-nice arena if I know it's going to be a loud, raucous, environment than if it's at a big, largely empty arena. I know other people around my demographic that think like this too, but also I get that's not everybody. There's tons of threads on here that talk about the fan experience/arena and the bottom line is that the situation isn't great. Go Panthers
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 6, 2024 18:44:59 GMT -6
I'm gonna throw 18 years experience down and say "wrong" I personally haven't seen a student section like that at the arena since Jeter was coach. Would love to be proved wrong. There wasn't even that many students last night nor were they that loud, more then half were sitting down the entire game outside of a small section that needed Jimmy to get them engaged in the game in the second half. Wonder which AD employee this is that doesn't like having to go downtown. The same amount of fans in the Arena is just as loud as the KCenter, the Kcenter has empty space on both ends of the baselines which makes the sound dull from the crowdnoise. The idea that one is closer at the KCenter is also false. The MECCA has maybe some of the best sightlines for basketball I have ever seen, literally not a bad seat in the house, But sure its WAY better to be sitting in bleachers at the KCenter right? Not to mention the fact its a total sh*tshow leaving the eastside with any traffic. Could you imagine 5k fans leaving that dump instead of easily filtering out of downtown. Then again saying you side with the students over the paying season ticket holders is a clueless take. The students should be the ones taking it or leaving it when the tickets are free. A return to the KCenter will nuke this program in a way that its probably not even worth staying in Division 1.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 6, 2024 18:47:34 GMT -6
Bottom line on the K: many of us will go there for the sake of the program and not like it; many others will simply choose not to go. You definitely have more experience and insight into the program than me, as I'm relatively new, and I see where you're coming from on a lot of your points. However, I personally am more inclined to go to a game at a smaller and not-as-nice arena if I know it's going to be a loud, raucous, environment than if it's at a big, largely empty arena. I know other people around my demographic that think like this too, but also I get that's not everybody. There's tons of threads on here that talk about the fan experience/arena and the bottom line is that the situation isn't great. Go Panthers The KCenter is never more raucous then the crowd was at UWGB on saturday. Ive been to one game at the KCenter that I would call raucous and it was standing room only when Devin Harris ripped the win from Milwaukee in the final seconds. Theres 0 chance we play UW at the KCenter ever again. Leave these nephew takes in your brain. Literally NONE of the probably 10 people ive taken to games with add on tickets to my season tickets "prime seats" will ever go to the KCenter because the place is a f***ing dump dude. Everytime i take someone new to the MECCA they always say how good the place is for basketball.
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Post by TBone on Mar 6, 2024 18:56:16 GMT -6
I'm gonna throw 18 years experience down and say "wrong" I personally haven't seen a student section like that at the arena since Jeter was coach. Would love to be proved wrong. How many winning seasons were there since Jeter was coach? I'll give you a hint - these last two seasons were the only ones in that timeframe. (that was more of an answer than a hint, huh?) That probably has a LOT more to do with the lacking student sections at the arena than anything. I've followed this program closely since we made the jump to D1 almost 35 years ago. There is one thing that has always been true, and that is the majority of students could care less about the program or the games. If you put a winning team out there, these non-caring students will then attend a game. Those older fans you don't really care about, are the ones that stuck with the program - even in the stink produced in the Baldwin/Jordan years. Alienating the one constant for the program might not be as good of an idea as some think. And I can also attest that there were plenty of incredibly attended games at the arena that were regular season games, and a number of these occurred before Bruce Pearl sniffed campus. When you have a coach and players that don't know the history here and have never experienced a big game atmosphere at the arena - whose only experience is with a fanbase starved for anything even close to mediocre, of course they'll opt for the K. If they're able to put a sustained good couple of years together and experience quality attendance at the arena, I can almost guarantee you they won't be choosing to play anywhere but there. The question that should be being asked is how do we get the crowds back to arena, rather than stating we should settle for a second rate gym that would pass as an inferior gym to many of the high school gyms today. That atmosphere you crave - it can be found in the arena.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 19:01:43 GMT -6
I personally haven't seen a student section like that at the arena since Jeter was coach. Would love to be proved wrong. There wasn't even that many students last night nor were they that loud, more then half were sitting down the entire game outside of a small section that needed Jimmy to get them engaged in the game in the second half. Wonder which AD employee this is that doesn't like having to go downtown. The same amount of fans in the Arena is just as loud as the KCenter, the Kcenter has empty space on both ends of the baselines which makes the sound dull from the crowdnoise. The idea that one is closer at the KCenter is also false. The MECCA has maybe some of the best sightlines for basketball I have ever seen, literally not a bad seat in the house, But sure its WAY better to be sitting in bleachers at the KCenter right? Not to mention the fact its a total sh*tshow leaving the eastside with any traffic. Could you imagine 5k fans leaving that dump instead of easily filtering out of downtown. Then again saying you side with the students over the paying season ticket holders is a clueless take. The students should be the ones taking it or leaving it when the tickets are free. A return to the KCenter will nuke this program in a way that its probably not even worth staying in Division 1. The topic has been discussed for 34 years and I can't think of a better take/ summary. You had me at the "scattered sound, sightlines and accessibility/parking." Like others, I don't see why we ever play any D-1 games on campus. The K mutes the whole experience.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Mar 6, 2024 20:58:12 GMT -6
The winning brings students debate is shown no better than this IMO: - The Butler/Milwaukee game at the US Cellular Arena in the HL Championship Game. We lined up at 330pm for an 8pm game to get the front of the student section. I have never seen a bigger student section besides the game prior vs Valpo and a couple of the UW games when they were ranked very high.
I know this season has been a bit of a disappointment so far, but last year 21 wins and this year 18 so far with a chance for 20...keep this success going and who knows what will happen. I do agree with Jimmy though, it needs to be a focus otherwise college students are not coming unless you give out free TVs like the past or pizza.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 6, 2024 21:28:06 GMT -6
Best +/-: Faizon Fields +18 and Dominic Ham +12
Worst +/-: Langston Wilson -11 and Angelo Stuart -10
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 23:01:10 GMT -6
You definitely have more experience and insight into the program than me, as I'm relatively new, and I see where you're coming from on a lot of your points. However, I personally am more inclined to go to a game at a smaller and not-as-nice arena if I know it's going to be a loud, raucous, environment than if it's at a big, largely empty arena. I know other people around my demographic that think like this too, but also I get that's not everybody. There's tons of threads on here that talk about the fan experience/arena and the bottom line is that the situation isn't great. Go Panthers The KCenter is never more raucous then the crowd was at UWGB on saturday. Ive been to one game at the KCenter that I would call raucous and it was standing room only when Devin Harris ripped the win from Milwaukee in the final seconds. Theres 0 chance we play UW at the KCenter ever again. Leave these nephew takes in your brain. Literally NONE of the probably 10 people ive taken to games with add on tickets to my season tickets "prime seats" will ever go to the KCenter because the place is a f***ing dump dude. Everytime i take someone new to the MECCA they always say how good the place is for basketball. Of course I get accused of being an "AD employee" for suggesting college basketball should have a student section and not be played miles away from campus in a cavernous NBA arena from the 70s. The best crowd of like, the last 10 years was at the K against Wright State. And I never said the K was a palace or anything, just said there's benefits to it that the coaches and players see. If they could come anywhere near filling up the arena, they would play there for their must-win games. But they don't. Fact.
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Post by ghostofpbj on Mar 6, 2024 23:15:28 GMT -6
The KCenter is never more raucous then the crowd was at UWGB on saturday. Ive been to one game at the KCenter that I would call raucous and it was standing room only when Devin Harris ripped the win from Milwaukee in the final seconds. Theres 0 chance we play UW at the KCenter ever again. Leave these nephew takes in your brain. Literally NONE of the probably 10 people ive taken to games with add on tickets to my season tickets "prime seats" will ever go to the KCenter because the place is a f***ing dump dude. Everytime i take someone new to the MECCA they always say how good the place is for basketball. Of course I get accused of being an "AD employee" for suggesting college basketball should have a student section and not be played miles away from campus in a cavernous NBA arena from the 70s. The best crowd of like, the last 10 years was at the K against Wright State. And I never said the K was a palace or anything, just said there's benefits to it that the coaches and players see. If they could come anywhere near filling up the arena, they would play there for their must-win games. But they don't. Fact. Please don’t disrespect Panther Arena that way. Also, that was not the best crowd. The crowd we had on Saturday against Green Bay was much better, and nearly everyone on this board would agree.
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 23:28:33 GMT -6
Of course I get accused of being an "AD employee" for suggesting college basketball should have a student section and not be played miles away from campus in a cavernous NBA arena from the 70s. The best crowd of like, the last 10 years was at the K against Wright State. And I never said the K was a palace or anything, just said there's benefits to it that the coaches and players see. If they could come anywhere near filling up the arena, they would play there for their must-win games. But they don't. Fact. Please don’t disrespect Panther Arena that way. Also, that was not the best crowd. The crowd we had on Saturday against Green Bay was much better, and nearly everyone on this board would agree. I don't even hate the arena, I just had to make a point since everyone here loves talking about how crappy the K is. The crowd on Saturday was great! But the fact is, the coaches and players prefer the K being closer to capacity than the arena being at 40%. That was my original point all the way back, because someone said that Coach Lundy was wrong for choosing the K for must-win games.
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Post by Petes on Mar 6, 2024 23:35:21 GMT -6
Bottom line on the K: many of us will go there for the sake of the program and not like it; many others will simply choose not to go. You definitely have more experience and insight into the program than me, as I'm relatively new, and I see where you're coming from on a lot of your points. However, I personally am more inclined to go to a game at a smaller and not-as-nice arena if I know it's going to be a loud, raucous, environment than if it's at a big, largely empty arena. I know other people around my demographic that think like this too, but also I get that's not everybody. There's tons of threads on here that talk about the fan experience/arena and the bottom line is that the situation isn't great. Go Panthers AD burner account
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 6, 2024 23:45:14 GMT -6
Please don’t disrespect Panther Arena that way. Also, that was not the best crowd. The crowd we had on Saturday against Green Bay was much better, and nearly everyone on this board would agree. I don't even hate the arena, I just had to make a point since everyone here loves talking about how crappy the K is. The crowd on Saturday was great! But the fact is, the coaches and players prefer the K being closer to capacity than the arena being at 40%. That was my original point all the way back, because someone said that Coach Lundy was wrong for choosing the K for must-win games. Respectfully to coach he talked up the Mecca when he took the job. So which is it? He’s a college hoops coach so talking out both sides of the mouth is kind of a prerequisite of the career but also it’s not his job after two seasons to make those calls. Idk about you but 6th place wasn’t good enough and barely making it past Detroit wasn’t inspiring of the greatness of the kcenter
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 23:46:57 GMT -6
You definitely have more experience and insight into the program than me, as I'm relatively new, and I see where you're coming from on a lot of your points. However, I personally am more inclined to go to a game at a smaller and not-as-nice arena if I know it's going to be a loud, raucous, environment than if it's at a big, largely empty arena. I know other people around my demographic that think like this too, but also I get that's not everybody. There's tons of threads on here that talk about the fan experience/arena and the bottom line is that the situation isn't great. Go Panthers AD burner account Lol. If anything I'd be a Coach Lundy burner account, since he's the one that chooses to play at the K. 2-0 in the Horizon League Tournament on campus! Hopefully we can all agree that's a good thing. Last thing I'll say is it's very cool having a coach that actually acknowledges that he wants to improve crowds and is trying to make them better. I can live with being the evil guy on here that sides with the team.
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