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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 6, 2024 12:35:49 GMT -6
If Duffy is now back, why didn't he get more mintues last night? Could use his toughness last night. I thought Davis had a solid run, yet only 3 minutes. Seems like 1 handed Duffy isn't ideal for catching the ball or being secure with the ball. I feel like the ball squirted out of his hands a few times last night in his limited minutes. There is no reason for Learic to be playing only 3 minutes. Unless there is stuff we dont see obviously, it seems like a bad coaching decision.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 6, 2024 12:45:52 GMT -6
If Duffy is now back, why didn't he get more mintues last night? Could use his toughness last night. I thought Davis had a solid run, yet only 3 minutes. Seems like 1 handed Duffy isn't ideal for catching the ball or being secure with the ball. I feel like the ball squirted out of his hands a few times last night in his limited minutes. There is no reason for Learic to be playing only 3 minutes. Unless there is stuff we dont see obviously, it seems like a bad coaching decision. With Learic there was something Lundy was saying to him during a stop in play. Then, he came out and didn't return.
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 15:46:33 GMT -6
First off, I'm very happy and relieved with the win. As for the Klotsche "debate," how can Bart keep saying "the K really helps us" for our true must-win games when there were perhaps 1,200 people on hand and we're not even giving the Arena a chance? Did the Arena not give us a boost against Green Bay?! Did I imagine us winning three Horizon League titles there in front of 10,000-plus. Even last night, would it not have been at least as loud? Personally, I thought the venue contributed to our slow, lackadaisical start. In short, I guess that he and I will continue to disagree. It pains me to hear him talk so lovingly about "the K." I have a couple points I'd like to raise about this. First off, I think the fans should trust a coach/players saying they want to play on campus. After all, they are the ones actually on the court, so I'll happily resort to them if they believe it's an advantage. Also, the arena is cool, and had a pretty good crowd against UWGB, but it was still 60% empty. If you put last night's crowd into the arena, it's absolutely quieter and less of an advantage. Even if you put a few more people in there, there's less students (who absolutely carried the crowd noise last night). The K puts the crowd way closer to the court and more packed in. As for if the K played into the bad start, I don't really see how that correlates. Lastly, the crowds of 10,000 from years ago were there to see a 25-win team play for a conference championship, not a first round game against a 1-30 team.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 16:05:41 GMT -6
First off, I'm very happy and relieved with the win. As for the Klotsche "debate," how can Bart keep saying "the K really helps us" for our true must-win games when there were perhaps 1,200 people on hand and we're not even giving the Arena a chance? Did the Arena not give us a boost against Green Bay?! Did I imagine us winning three Horizon League titles there in front of 10,000-plus. Even last night, would it not have been at least as loud? Personally, I thought the venue contributed to our slow, lackadaisical start. In short, I guess that he and I will continue to disagree. It pains me to hear him talk so lovingly about "the K." I have a couple points I'd like to raise about this. First off, I think the fans should trust a coach/players saying they want to play on campus. After all, they are the ones actually on the court, so I'll happily resort to them if they believe it's an advantage. Also, the arena is cool, and had a pretty good crowd against UWGB, but it was still 60% empty. If you put last night's crowd into the arena, it's absolutely quieter and less of an advantage. Even if you put a few more people in there, there's less students (who absolutely carried the crowd noise last night). The K puts the crowd way closer to the court and more packed in. As for if the K played into the bad start, I don't really see how that correlates. Lastly, the crowds of 10,000 from years ago were there to see a 25-win team play for a conference championship, not a first round game against a 1-30 team. I read the first few words and I'll answer with this: what about the paying customers and stakeholders of the program for the last 35 years? Do you think they might have some experiential knowledge about what's best for the Milwaukee Panthers?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 16:09:28 GMT -6
A little less than 12 years ago, we had an AD who had 35 years of experience in the same position at some of the biggest/ most successful programs in the COUNTRY. He saw the same thing that you do and moved all of our games back to the K. Maybe someone here can tell you how that turned out for us.
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 16:23:56 GMT -6
A little less than 12 years ago, we had an AD who had 35 years of experience in the same position at some of the biggest/ most successful programs in the COUNTRY. He saw the same thing that you do and moved all of our games back to the K. Maybe someone here can tell you how that turned out for us. I agree that playing all the games at the K is not ideal. I was there yesterday, and the facilities are not great. However, for a win-or-go-home conference tournament game, I do value the coaches/players opinions about where they feel they have a better advantage. I honestly just want them to win, no matter where that is. Lastly, I know you said I should ask someone about the 2012 move to campus sarcastically, but I'd actually like to hear more about that. I wasn't following the program back then. I'm open to hearing new perspectives about this, but I feel that having more students and being in a cozier environment was a good idea for last night's game.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 16:30:38 GMT -6
A little less than 12 years ago, we had an AD who had 35 years of experience in the same position at some of the biggest/ most successful programs in the COUNTRY. He saw the same thing that you do and moved all of our games back to the K. Maybe someone here can tell you how that turned out for us. I agree that playing all the games at the K is not ideal. I was there yesterday, and the facilities are not great. However, for a win-or-go-home conference tournament game, I do value the coaches/players opinions about where they feel they have a better advantage. I honestly just want them to win, no matter where that is. Lastly, I know you said I should ask someone about the 2012 move to campus sarcastically, but I'd actually like to hear more about that. I wasn't following the program back then. I'm open to hearing new perspectives about this, but I feel that having more students and being in a cozier environment was a good idea for last night's game. Respectfully, the move back to the K just about catered the program. I don't recall the exact figure, but I'm pretty sure that our season ticketholder base was cut in half. All the energy and magic left with the move because there were no gathering spots within several blocks of the arena and longtime easy access to coaches and players was severely limited. Think of our program without Goolsby's (or Miller Time Pub or Turner Hall before it). It was like someone took a vacuum to the soul of our program.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 6, 2024 16:30:39 GMT -6
How was the student turnout last night. Was it good?
I attended UWM from fall 04β to 09β, and I went to one Milwaukee Panther game at the K. I hated it. The experience of having some drinks, jumping on a shuttle going downtown, and packing the arena was where it was at. Of course, itβs been 15 years since I was a student, so maybe things have changed.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 6, 2024 16:34:45 GMT -6
You're not going to say after a big game, "Hey, everyone! Thanks for coming! Pile in your cars and head downtown to celebrate this landmark win! We'll see you down there in 20 minutes! Good luck with parking!"
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 16:48:05 GMT -6
You're not going to say after a big game, "Hey, everyone! Thanks for coming! Pile in your cars and head downtown to celebrate this landmark win! We'll see you down there in 20 minutes! Good luck with parking!" This is a good point in favor of playing downtown. As far as the point about season ticket holders being cut in half when they moved, and I know this probably going to be a very unpopular take, but I'd rather have students at the games than quiet older fans who won't follow the team across town to the K. Looking at 6,000+ empty seats in the arena is depressing to me, that's all. The dream is to build a nice on-campus arena with entertainment around it, but that's not realistic at the moment.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 6, 2024 16:54:58 GMT -6
The problem is those "quiet older fans" are the ones spending money on tickets and talking the program up. Outside of a handful of students, you wouldnt even know the student section, that you prefer, exists.
I'm not trying to pit this as students vs paying fans but if therr is a choice to be made, the students can take a backseat because they already aren't going.
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 17:08:29 GMT -6
The problem is those "quiet older fans" are the ones spending money on tickets and talking the program up. Outside of a handful of students, you wouldnt even know the student section, that you prefer, exists. I'm not trying to pit this as students vs paying fans but if therr is a choice to be made, the students can take a backseat because they already aren't going. You're right, but I'd say last night's student section was a positive, and that would not have been the case had it been downtown. I don't want to pit it as students vs fans either, because in my opinion, student sections are the best part of college basketball and the rest of the crowd should feed off them. My main point is that the program is VERY far from filling up the arena consistently, and not really that far from filling up the K. I will personally always opt for the ladder. The arena is cool, but the biggest crowd this year was still only 40% of the capacity. There's nothing embarrassing about playing at a smaller arena. UWM isn't in a place to have a full, rocking crowd at the arena right now, so splitting time with the Klotsche doesn't seem like the worst thing to me.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 6, 2024 17:26:07 GMT -6
A lot of us were f*cking diehards as students and had no issue going downtown. The university puts the bare minimum into promoting the program to the student body. We used to do coach buses from Sandburg to games and now it's ratty school buses. I don't care what has to be done, but we need to do it.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 6, 2024 17:34:04 GMT -6
You're right, but I'd say last night's student section was a positive, and that would not have been the case had it been downtown. I'm gonna throw 18 years experience down and say "wrong"
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Post by extrabasedhit on Mar 6, 2024 17:39:33 GMT -6
You're right, but I'd say last night's student section was a positive, and that would not have been the case had it been downtown. I'm gonna throw 18 years experience down and say "wrong" I personally haven't seen a student section like that at the arena since Jeter was coach. Would love to be proved wrong.
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