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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 5, 2008 10:11:06 GMT -6
The Michael Jordan of football if you will. Uh no.....
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Kingsbury
Junior
Sadly, no longer in the "Fear 42" Fan Club!!!
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Post by Kingsbury on Mar 5, 2008 10:52:26 GMT -6
For what it's worth, Buss Cook sure seemed to make it pretty clear that Moss could have quite easily (relatively speaking) been a Packer. Only they never tried. He's also made it clear that Favre didn't get much support from Green Bay, and he still wanted to play. Farve has taken the high road (stress etc.) as he usually does. Rarely will he complain publicly about management/coaching. He never publicly said anything about the Moss thing last season, but does anyone doubt it's true? His agent, who works for him and does his bidding, however has not held back in the same way. He has made it clear that there was more than "stress" involved. Whether you agree with it or not, it seems to be Favre's opinion that Randy Moss was the piece of the puzzle that gets them over the top. For a second year, he reportedly tried to convince management to make it happen, and for a second year they appear to have snubbed him. From Favre's point of view, that has to be insulting and a clear message that winning a Super Bowl immediately is not the top priority of the organization. Favre knows Moss better than anyone in the entire Packers organization. He feels he understands what Moss would bring to the team, and as the leader his opinion should be respected. I can understand if he feels it wasn't. Even if that was not Thompson's intent, he is still responsible for it. That's why I blame him for Favre's retirement. I agree that TT has done some good things, but more often than not he is oblivious to how he impacts his veterans and how they feel disrespected. He is his worst enemy in that regard. His focus on young players is so singular that the veterans are treated as secondary in importance. That's why I don't think a TT led organization will ever win a championship. Young teams may get you to the playoffs, but they traditionally don't win championships. I want championships ion Green Bay, not just playoffs every year. That's why I dislike the job he does. I disagree with his apparent fundamental philosophy. Denver faced this same situation, and did all they could to get Elway his last shots. They mortgaged a bit of their long term for the right now (locking up key players etc.). I think TT should have done the same, and his stubborn refusal to do so is what I believe sent Favre into retirement. if that makes me unreasonable, than so be it. Yea, NFL teams don't want to win the Super Bowl.........whatever Nighthawk. Awe, poor Brett Favre didn't get his ego stoked to come back..........sounds to me like Brett is being a little b****. I'm sick of this will I retire, won't I retire crap from Favre. Truth be told, he hasn't won a meaningful game in years.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 5, 2008 13:07:32 GMT -6
For what it's worth, Buss Cook sure seemed to make it pretty clear that Moss could have quite easily (relatively speaking) been a Packer. Only they never tried. He's also made it clear that Favre didn't get much support from Green Bay, and he still wanted to play. Farve has taken the high road (stress etc.) as he usually does. Rarely will he complain publicly about management/coaching. He never publicly said anything about the Moss thing last season, but does anyone doubt it's true? His agent, who works for him and does his bidding, however has not held back in the same way. He has made it clear that there was more than "stress" involved. Whether you agree with it or not, it seems to be Favre's opinion that Randy Moss was the piece of the puzzle that gets them over the top. For a second year, he reportedly tried to convince management to make it happen, and for a second year they appear to have snubbed him. From Favre's point of view, that has to be insulting and a clear message that winning a Super Bowl immediately is not the top priority of the organization. Favre knows Moss better than anyone in the entire Packers organization. He feels he understands what Moss would bring to the team, and as the leader his opinion should be respected. I can understand if he feels it wasn't. Even if that was not Thompson's intent, he is still responsible for it. That's why I blame him for Favre's retirement. I agree that TT has done some good things, but more often than not he is oblivious to how he impacts his veterans and how they feel disrespected. He is his worst enemy in that regard. His focus on young players is so singular that the veterans are treated as secondary in importance. That's why I don't think a TT led organization will ever win a championship. Young teams may get you to the playoffs, but they traditionally don't win championships. I want championships ion Green Bay, not just playoffs every year. That's why I dislike the job he does. I disagree with his apparent fundamental philosophy. Denver faced this same situation, and did all they could to get Elway his last shots. They mortgaged a bit of their long term for the right now (locking up key players etc.). I think TT should have done the same, and his stubborn refusal to do so is what I believe sent Favre into retirement. if that makes me unreasonable, than so be it. Yea, NFL teams don't want to win the Super Bowl.........whatever Nighthawk. Awe, poor Brett Favre didn't get his ego stoked to come back..........sounds to me like Brett is being a little b*tch. I'm sick of this will I retire, won't I retire crap from Favre. Truth be told, he hasn't won a meaningful game in years. I disagree. That Chargers game this season was pretty damn meaningful.
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Post by Hack on Mar 5, 2008 13:32:03 GMT -6
In what sense? It was the third game of the year ... one would have to say, if anything, the Seahawks playoff game was pretty damn meaningful.
I don't agree with Kingsbury's statement, but the Seahawks game was lightyears more meaningful than the Chargers game.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 5, 2008 14:13:30 GMT -6
In what sense? It was the third game of the year ... one would have to say, if anything, the Seahawks playoff game was pretty damn meaningful. I don't agree with Kingsbury's statement, but the Seahawks game was lightyears more meaningful than the Chargers game. Dude...really? I was being sarcastic...I thought people would be able to pick that up.
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Post by gopanthers011 on Mar 6, 2008 1:20:11 GMT -6
Press conference TODAY at 11am local time on ESPN and ESPNEWS.
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Post by Hack on Mar 6, 2008 8:15:12 GMT -6
Press conference TODAY at 11am local time on ESPN and ESPNEWS. ... and channels 4, 6, 12, 58, ESPN2, NFL Network, the Discovery Channel, A&E, TNT and Spice.
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Post by Hack on Mar 6, 2008 11:53:20 GMT -6
Well, that should answer any questions as to why he's leaving.
Not TT forcing him out. Not Moss. Not the interception.
He just has nothing left to give and can't commit 100 percent to football.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 6, 2008 12:02:15 GMT -6
Honestly, every young athlete in the world should listen to the start of his press conference. The first 15 minutes is from the heart, down to earth good damn advice on how the game should be played.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 6, 2008 12:04:48 GMT -6
Well, that should answer any questions as to why he's leaving. Not TT forcing him out. Not Moss. Not the interception. He just has nothing left to give and can't commit 100 percent to football. Something tells me that won't be enough for some of the skeptics.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 6, 2008 12:08:26 GMT -6
Well, that should answer any questions as to why he's leaving. Not TT forcing him out. Not Moss. Not the interception. He just has nothing left to give and can't commit 100 percent to football. Something tells me that won't be enough for some of the skeptics. I'm usually in agreement with you guys (and BBall 30), but I still don't buy it. It's just too coincidental to me that he gets pushed over the edge the day after Moss re-ups w/ NE. Plus his agent and brother said the Packers (TT) didn't do enough or didn't want him back. Do you think they'd say that without getting that impression from Brett himself? No way. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 6, 2008 12:18:06 GMT -6
Something tells me that won't be enough for some of the skeptics. Nothing is ever enough for skeptics. Favre and TT could both pass polygraphs and the skeptics would claim they knew how to undermine the system and question the validity of the test. Like one of my history professors told us, "Conspiracy theories are nothing more than fun c***tail party conversations."
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 6, 2008 12:19:23 GMT -6
I'm usually in agreement with you guys (and BBall 30), but I still don't buy it. It's just too coincidental to me that he gets pushed over the edge the day after Moss re-ups w/ NE. Plus his agent and brother said the Packers (TT) didn't do enough or didn't want him back. Do you think they'd say that without getting that impression from Brett himself? No way. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Called it! Personally, I think his agent and brother are assbags with personal agendas...but that's just my opinion. Agree to disagree...I agree on that.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 6, 2008 13:01:34 GMT -6
I have to take Favre on his word as to why he left. I never thought he would throw anyone under the bus in any case, but he said what he said.
Favre is a classy guy and a team first guy to the end, to his credit.
I don't like what TT has not done in a lot of cases, but in the end it is what it is.
Time will tell if he's the genius some proclaim him to be, or has been blessed with a great QB and fortunate in many of his decisions to this point.
He will now face the future with his choice at the helm. What happens from this day forward will be the best measure of his abilities (or lack thereof).
This is a team that should be in the NFC Championship in the 2008/2009 season. If they do not reach that level, I believe it's a reflection on TT's abilities.
If Rodgers stumbles, that's on TT. His pick, his guy.
If he succeeds (and I hope he does) it's on TT too. And I will give him credit for that.
My personal hopes are not all that high right now.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 6, 2008 13:20:10 GMT -6
Does anybody honestly think he'd sit up there and bash Ted Thompson? He's never said a bad word about anybody in his 17 years in the NFL. He never once called out a player when he had plenty of opportunities to do so. It's not his style. Let's get real here. I still have yet to hear anybody explain to me why less than 24 hours after Moss signs with the Patriots - his desire to play with Moss is well-chronicled - Favre hangs it up.
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