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Post by uwm97 on Mar 4, 2008 16:38:41 GMT -6
TT, in my opinion, is why Favre retired. There's strong evidence to back that up. Isn't it weird we've heard from everybody under the sun except for Brett? Why do you think that is?
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Post by Hack on Mar 4, 2008 21:30:33 GMT -6
Any of you who claim to be fans of this organization ought to be appalled. Thanks for thinking how I should feel.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 4, 2008 22:47:41 GMT -6
Is it me, or did it look like TT was trying to supress a grin during the entire press conference? Almost like he got an early Christmas gift, and he can put his guy on the field now?
And for all those who take up TT's defense, I hope you are prepared to call for his head if they do not make the Super Bowl this season.
After all they have the youngest roster and Favre was over the hill and rebuild through the draft and we don't need no stinking free agents and we don't need no running back and we don't need no Moss and we have too many good recievers already and we need more D lineman and guards are interchangable scrap parts and the 6th round is for winners.
Anything less than a Super Bowl appearance should be a huge black mark on TT, and his fans should be the first to say so.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Mar 4, 2008 23:01:41 GMT -6
Nighthawk, you are a very angry individual.
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Post by Hack on Mar 4, 2008 23:02:40 GMT -6
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 4, 2008 23:03:52 GMT -6
Today, I am.
Tomorrow, maybe not.
This is as painful a moment in sports for me as I can ever remember. Worse than losing Molitor. Worse than Yount retiring. Worse than losing Super Bowl 32.
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Post by thepantherfan on Mar 4, 2008 23:18:48 GMT -6
I disagree that all FA are greedy and looking to get overpaid. Moss took peanuts in garunteed money from New England, and his overall deal isnt for what he is worth. He would have taken practically the same deal with GB for a little more garunteed money and #4 on the roster. Some players genuinely rather win championships than get paid.
As for Stallworth(not sure on spelling), he would have been a solid pick up for GB. He's one of the best open-field runners in the nfl and a strong receiver. Him being 4th is a fallacy, I've never been overly impressed with the Packer WR's barring Driver. That fact Jennings and Jones are "wonderkins" is stongly due in part to the quarterbacking of Brett Favre IMO. I'll be interested to see how their stats next year compare to previous years. With Rodgers at the helm, i believe stallworth would outperform Jones and Jennings. But again these are just my own opinions, and im not trying to piss anyone off.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 4, 2008 23:33:37 GMT -6
I love how Nighthawk acts like signing Moss (especially this off-season) was as simple as a 5 minute phone call. You can't blame TT for making the provisions he did for Moss last year considering he (Moss) was a known cancer and TT was trying to protect his team in case that would happen. Of course had TT signed Moss and he acted like he has previously and ended up be detrimental to the team, Nighthawk would b*tch and complain about TT then too.
As for TT in the press conf., he seemingly has more of a "deer in the headlights" look than any kind of smirk/grin. Of course you looked for a grin because you WANT to see a grin b/c you find any excuse possible to hate TT, regardless of how cheap/stupid it is. Lord help Nighthawk if TT's wife wears white after Labor Day!
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Post by javerkamp2009poty on Mar 4, 2008 23:46:29 GMT -6
Hey Packer fans, I know u are gonna miss Brett Favre, and even as a fan of another team (the Rams, yes I am embarassed), I will, but u guys will be just fine. Lets take a look at the rest of teams in the NFC north and their QBs.
Minnesota: Tavarius Jackson Detroit: Jon Kitna Chicago: the umbigously sucky duo of Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton
The Packers will be around even with Aaron Rodgers around and Brett Favre out.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 4, 2008 23:53:06 GMT -6
Minnesota: Tavarius Jackson Detroit: Jon Kitna Chicago: the umbigously sucky duo of Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton The Packers will be around even with Aaron Rodgers around and Brett Favre out. The Bears are in a real unique situation IMO. Grossman has more talent than Orton but the Bears seem to play better w/ Orton under center. My guess is b/c the team knows Orton sucks more so they have to pick up the slack collectively which gives them a greater chance to win. W/ Grossman, the players have more confidence in him in which Rex does nothing with and is more likely to falter. Fortunately for the Pack, they're in one of the crappiest divisions in the NFL so I echo what javerkamp2009poty has said.
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Post by jhart05 on Mar 4, 2008 23:57:20 GMT -6
I hope you guys are happy. You took a thread that should have been about Favre, and turned it to sh!t. Good job.
We should have been talking about all the good and bad games we've all seen him play. I'm sure just about everyone here is just like me. Besides the Atlanta games, I've seen every game he's played in the NFL. From pre-season, to regular season, to playoffs, to Pro Bowls.
We were privileged to see one of the top 5, probably top 3, QBs to ever play the game. The Michael Jordan of football if you will.
But you decided to bicker among yourselves about stupid sh!t, like a juvenile, high school, pissing match. Talking like you actually knew him personally, or somehow know what he was thinking, or have some inside info into why he retired.
Again, good job for ruining what could have been a very cool discussion of one of the greatest athletes anyone has ever seen.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 5, 2008 7:52:16 GMT -6
Any of you who claim to be fans of this organization ought to be appalled. Thanks for thinking how I should feel. No problem.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 5, 2008 7:55:27 GMT -6
I hope you guys are happy. You took a thread that should have been about Favre, and turned it to sh!t. Good job. We should have been talking about all the good and bad games we've all seen him play. I'm sure just about everyone here is just like me. Besides the Atlanta games, I've seen every game he's played in the NFL. From pre-season, to regular season, to playoffs, to Pro Bowls. We were privileged to see one of the top 5, probably top 3, QBs to ever play the game. The Michael Jordan of football if you will. But you decided to bicker among yourselves about stupid sh!t, like a juvenile, high school, pissing match. Talking like you actually knew him personally, or somehow know what he was thinking, or have some inside info into why he retired. Again, good job for ruining what could have been a very cool discussion of one of the greatest athletes anyone has ever seen. What? Why do you feel the need to play message board police? It's an emotional topic and one that people are extraordinarily passionate about. Tempers flare. If you don't like the way the thread has gone, start up another one where you can talk about puppy dogs and ice cream and feel great about everything. Most of us feel like crap like now.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 5, 2008 9:47:22 GMT -6
For what it's worth, Buss Cook sure seemed to make it pretty clear that Moss could have quite easily (relatively speaking) been a Packer. Only they never tried.
He's also made it clear that Favre didn't get much support from Green Bay, and he still wanted to play.
Farve has taken the high road (stress etc.) as he usually does. Rarely will he complain publicly about management/coaching. He never publicly said anything about the Moss thing last season, but does anyone doubt it's true?
His agent, who works for him and does his bidding, however has not held back in the same way. He has made it clear that there was more than "stress" involved.
Whether you agree with it or not, it seems to be Favre's opinion that Randy Moss was the piece of the puzzle that gets them over the top. For a second year, he reportedly tried to convince management to make it happen, and for a second year they appear to have snubbed him.
From Favre's point of view, that has to be insulting and a clear message that winning a Super Bowl immediately is not the top priority of the organization.
Favre knows Moss better than anyone in the entire Packers organization. He feels he understands what Moss would bring to the team, and as the leader his opinion should be respected. I can understand if he feels it wasn't.
Even if that was not Thompson's intent, he is still responsible for it. That's why I blame him for Favre's retirement. I agree that TT has done some good things, but more often than not he is oblivious to how he impacts his veterans and how they feel disrespected. He is his worst enemy in that regard. His focus on young players is so singular that the veterans are treated as secondary in importance.
That's why I don't think a TT led organization will ever win a championship. Young teams may get you to the playoffs, but they traditionally don't win championships. I want championships ion Green Bay, not just playoffs every year. That's why I dislike the job he does. I disagree with his apparent fundamental philosophy.
Denver faced this same situation, and did all they could to get Elway his last shots. They mortgaged a bit of their long term for the right now (locking up key players etc.).
I think TT should have done the same, and his stubborn refusal to do so is what I believe sent Favre into retirement.
if that makes me unreasonable, than so be it.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 5, 2008 9:57:18 GMT -6
Farve has taken the high road (stress etc.) as he usually does. Rarely will he complain publicly about management/coaching. He never publicly said anything about the Moss thing last season, but does anyone doubt it's true? Love Favre to death, sad to see him go, but check your facts first... www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=604780
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