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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 4, 2008 15:10:57 GMT -6
You must have a reading comprehension problem. My argument wasn't whether or not Thompson WOULD go after a guy like Faneca, it was whether he SHOULD have...Yes, Thompson would've had to "overpay" for Faneca. So what. They have more than enough money to do it and it's an immediate upgrade. If you can't see this, you need to start watching some more football. You can argue if he should/should not all you want but the fact is TT's actions have been consistent that he WON'T sign a guard for big money so essentially you arguing about this is pointless. There's no doubt your guards are sub-par and personally I feel the guard spot is something that shouldn't be overlooked. As for what should be done, I don't know and could really care less since my team shored up the only real true hole along our OL which is all I really cared about.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 4, 2008 15:11:12 GMT -6
A little "honesty" in a debate wouldn't include reading comprehension. My point is everyone uses sarcasm, just as you did.
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Post by Hack on Mar 4, 2008 15:13:34 GMT -6
brewtown didn't get personal nighthawk... I appreciate your opinions, but you leave no room for anyone else's. You continuously pick apart people's posts and tell them why they're wrong and you're right...come on, make your argument and be done.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 4, 2008 15:18:59 GMT -6
There's not...? Thanks for the info jagg-off. You made it personal. Don't b*tch when it comes back around on you. I did I guess, by asking if you were high. It was really meant to be more of a joke than anything. I apologize if it offended you. You, expectedly, took it further by asking if I was smoking left-handed, asking if I hit the pipe extra hard this morning, calling me a TT lover and then assuming I know nothing about football. Most people on this board realize you're a bit of a hot head 'hawk...and this is the first time I've ever been in your crosshairs and it truly is entertaining. Your views, your "experience" in football since you were 10...it's all comical. Almost as funny as your orange and black car. I'm going to kindly step out of your crosshairs now. Thank you.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 4, 2008 15:19:50 GMT -6
I don't even play Madden. It's stupid and unrealistic. Kind of like Ted Thonpson. I've played, coached and watched football since I was 10. and the NFL is not rocket science. We have China Doll Rodgers and Craig F-ing Nall on the roster now. Nice. could have had Brady Quinn, but we needed an injured fat guy more. We have 1 proven TE now. Perfect. That will work just great. I just threw up in my mouth. So you wanted to pay Favre about $12 million, A-Rod first round money and then get Brady Quinn at the high price tag he was coming with? Makes alot of sense to put a ton of money in the QB position when Favre never makes it clear how long he wanted to play. NFL may not be rocket science but I guarantee you it is 1,000 times more difficult than any level that anyone on this board has ever played.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 4, 2008 15:19:59 GMT -6
could have had Brady Quinn... ...and this is where your argument lost credibility. Since you like crappy quarterbacks who can't win big games, why not just trade us for Simms? I'm only asking for 2 cases of Miller Lite for him. I guess Chad Henne's too good for you now since he won a bowl game. LOL Brady Quinn....christ.
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Post by parkerj on Mar 4, 2008 15:30:45 GMT -6
he's been extremely good at drafting throughout his career...
who were these "key free agents" that seattle brought in? qb--hasselbeck...thompson addition hb--alexander...thompson addition fb--mack strong...my bad, forgot him when mentioning guys thompson didn't bring wr--darrel jackson...thompson addition wr--bobby engram...thompson te--jerramy stevens...thompson lt--walter jones...not lg--hutchinson...thompson c--robbie tobeck...not rg--chris gray...not rt--sean locklear...tompson
dt--chatrick darby...thompson dt--rocky bernard...thompson de--bryce fisher...thompson de--grant wistrom...thompson lb--lofa tatupu...not lb--leroy hill...not lb--d.d. lewis...thompson cb--marcus trufant...thompson cb--andre dyson...not fs--marquand manuel...thompson ss--mike boulware...thompson
so basically either thompson brought them in, they predated him, or they were drafted by the team the following year...with one exception... Andre Dyson...
clearly, dropping top dollar on andre dyson absolutely MADE that team!
and just so everybody is clear...the colleges of some of thompson's picks include NC State, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, washington...the only high pick he's used on a non d-1 player has turned out nick collins and i know i'd rather have him than most of the guys taken around him that haven't gotten off of the bench yet...and one of those guys from "northwestern louisiana technical insitute of agriculture" that you're talking about turned out to be dave tollefson, who played for New York in the super bowl
and he drafted 2 WRs in 2006...one of whom was supposed to be a return specialist...something we desperately needed at the time
my bad...someone else said the stuff a/b crumpler...
you "KNOW" that he'll let the young core go because he's done...pretty much exactly the opposite throughout his career by keeping the home grown guys in house? hmm...interesting...
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 4, 2008 15:30:52 GMT -6
yes he did....he intimated I was high...the favor was returned.
The object of debate is precisely to pick apart arguments.
Giving your opinon and leaving it at that would be considered more akin to talking to yourself.
I allow room for others opinions. I only require that they defend them. If you cannot or will not, then what good are they?
And if you think Tauscher and Clifton are suited to block in the zone scheme, you haven't watched football, either. They are only our 2 best OL and the most consistant, and ill suited for the zone scheme.
They didn't even use most of the zone scheme in the second half of the season. The inside zone never worked, becasue the guards suck. The only plays that worked were the stretch zone, which the Packers have run for years before McCarthy.
As for Quinn, drafting Quinn would have been a good move to provide competition and a solid option should Favre return and Rodger leave as a free agent after this season. Had Favre returned, the only option the Packers would have had would be to lock up a backup QB to free agent money not knowing when he would earn it, or lose him outright. With Quinn, they had 2-3 more seasons to face that possibility.
Furthermore, he would have provided an alternative to Rodgers if Favre did retire (as he has). As it stands, the Packers have no options other than Rodgers. Poor planning, no fore sight, and bad management.
The needs at DL were minor, and there were no RB's worth a #16 pick.
Either Quinn, or trade it to San Diego for Turner, and lock him up.
The Browns have good management, and they fleeced the crap out of the Packers this year. Last year they moved up for Quinn, and have several QB options for their future. If one doesn't work out, they have plan B and C on the roster.
QB is the most important offensive position, and we have exaclty one option at that position.
Instead of options at QB, we have another body on the DL that hasn't, and may never, produce.
Add to that the loss of the capologist, the refusal to even consider free agent options in the first days of FA for several season running, and the repeated wasted draft picks, and you have reasons why TT is a bad GM.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 4, 2008 15:45:36 GMT -6
yes he did....he intimated I was high...the favor was returned. The object of debate is precisely to pick apart arguments. Giving your opinon and leaving it at that would be considered more akin to talking to yourself. I allow room for others opinions. I only require that they defend them. If you cannot or will not, then what good are they? And if you think Tauscher and Clifton are suited to block in the zone scheme, you haven't watched football, either. They are only our 2 best OL and the most consistant, and ill suited for the zone scheme. They didn't even use most of the zone scheme in the second half of the season. The inside zone never worked, becasue the guards suck. The only plays that worked were the stretch zone, which the Packers have run for years before McCarthy. As for Quinn, drafting Quinn would have been a good move to provide competition and a solid option should Favre return and Rodger leave as a free agent after this season. Had Favre returned, the only option the Packers would have had would be to lock up a backup QB to free agent money not knowing when he would earn it, or lose him outright. With Quinn, they had 2-3 more seasons to face that possibility. Furthermore, he would have provided an alternative to Rodgers if Favre did retire (as he has). As it stands, the Packers have no options other than Rodgers. Poor planning, no fore sight, and bad management. The needs at DL were minor, and there were no RB's worth a #16 pick. Either Quinn, or trade it to San Diego for Turner, and lock him up. The Browns have good management, and they fleeced the crap out of the Packers this year. Last year they moved up for Quinn, and have several QB options for their future. If one doesn't work out, they have plan B and C on the roster. QB is the most important offensive position, and we have exaclty one option at that position. Instead of options at QB, we have another body on the DL that hasn't, and may never, produce. Add to that the loss of the capologist, the refusal to even consider free agent options in the first days of FA for several season running, and the repeated wasted draft picks, and you have reasons why TT is a bad GM. Tauscher had arguably his best year ever this year and no they aren't well-suited for the ZBS but Tackles aren't as critical to it as Guards are. They didn't use it in the second half?! I don't consider myself an expert on breaking down game film but from what I saw...they sure did use it ahem...Ryan Grant. You wanted them to invest two 1st round picks into the two backup quarterbacks without knowing when Favre retired??? You act like Craig Nall is our starter...He's NOT! Aaron Rodgers may be injury prone thus far but to expect he will fail or get hurt is just plain annoying and paranoid. They will address the QB situation now that Favre has decided his future. I hated the Harrell pick at first but it makes sense now. And you, like me, only dislike/d the Harrell pick bc he wasn't a household name. He played well towards the end of the season WHEN WE NEEDED HIM. And, with Corey Williams gone, Harrell will be key to the rotation. On top of that we have another high pick for a guy who was a virtual unknown before this past season. Did you want to pay him 8 million a year for two of the years as Cleveland is planning on doing? And don't tell me you knew Johnny Jolly was going to step up and have a good year (until he got hurt) Investing a pick on a future starting DT is a much better pick than picking a QB to compete with your other high draft pick QB. Cleveland only has a good QB situation because Derek Anderson came out of nowhere. When you say they have SEVERAL options at QB...you are exaggerating quite a bit. They have two...and one is unproven and the other could turn out to be a fluke...It could happen the opposite way, but they didn't know/expect that situation to happen. Cleveland has good management?!?!?!?!?!?!?! You lost me at that. I'm speechless. They have made good moves...I agree...but now they have no picks on the first day and will owe Corey Williams a ton of money. Not to mention this is Cleveland first promising offseason in how many years? The Andrew Brandt loss does suck...and I blame TT for that...but he's the boss and it is what it is. No other choice.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 4, 2008 15:49:02 GMT -6
qb--hasselbeck
Was left not resigned when Thomson left and Mike Reinfeld had to scramble to resign him. Thompson sat on it and did nothing. They almost lost him to FA.
hb--alexander
Was left not resigned when Thomson left and Mike Reinfeld had to scramble to resign him, using the Franchise Tag. Thompson sat on it and did nothing. They almost lost him to FA. They almost lost him to FA.
lb--lofa tatupu
Drafted after Thompson left. Was the biggest addition to the defense and got them to the level of SB contentender.
Most of all of the other picks were not "Thompson" picks. Holmgren was the GM for most, if not all, of those selections. TT was an advisor to Holmgren for almost all that time.
Neither you nor anyone else in the public knows if he was for or against any of those picks. You cannot give him credit as if he was the one making all those selections.
Based on his track record in Green Bay, I have my doubts.
The timing of all this is too suspicious. Moss resigns and Favre retires that night? An odd coincidence, if that's all it is.
EDIT:
I never meant to say that Taucher wasn't good. just the opposite. Just pointing outthat signing a OL not typically suited to the Zone scheme isn't the worst thing in the world.
As for the running game, most of Grants yards did come oon the outside stretch, nott he inside zone plays. That was my only point. It has little to do with the yardage, more that the guards could not produce in the middle.
Having Quinn would not have cost much more than Harell does, and would have produced as much to this point in his career. Having Turner was my preferred option, and could have been done, but wasn't. TT slept at the switch (again).
Harell was hurt for the first 5 games of the season, without ever playing a down. I doubt he will be durable in the long haul. He hasn't been at any level in his career (HS included).
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 4, 2008 16:00:48 GMT -6
Ted Thompson wanted Favre out. If he wanted him back, he would have said so in the press conference. He knows he can't start his own legacy as Packers GM until the holdover QB is gone. Well, be careful for what you wish for, Teddy. When Rodgers goes down next year - and like I said, you can book it - Teddy is going to have a big egg on his face for pushing out an indestructable icon who still had at least three good years left in him. Any of you who claim to be fans of this organization ought to be appalled.
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Post by gopanthers011 on Mar 4, 2008 16:09:23 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure this thread was started about Favre's retirement and not for you guys to talk about other players and other teams. Yes, I know that was somewhat hypocritical, but it's true. Can we keep this to Brett Favre?
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 4, 2008 16:13:05 GMT -6
And whoever thinks the fact Favre's decision coming the day after Moss' signing with the Patriots is merely coincidental, you are extremely naive.
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Post by uwmfutbol on Mar 4, 2008 16:29:57 GMT -6
What a surprise. A discussion about Favre's retirement turns into TT arguments.
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Post by jhart05 on Mar 4, 2008 16:38:19 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure this thread was started about Favre's retirement and not for you guys to talk about other players and other teams. Yes, I know that was somewhat hypocritical, but it's true. Can we keep this to Brett Favre? Waaaaaaay too late for that, man. I think they should all just fight over it in the smoking section at half time. ;D
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