Kingsbury
Junior
Sadly, no longer in the "Fear 42" Fan Club!!!
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Post by Kingsbury on Mar 7, 2008 13:47:47 GMT -6
Does anybody honestly think he'd sit up there and bash Ted Thompson? He's never said a bad word about anybody in his 17 years in the NFL. He never once called out a player when he had plenty of opportunities to do so. It's not his style. Let's get real here. I still have yet to hear anybody explain to me why less than 24 hours after Moss signs with the Patriots - his desire to play with Moss is well-chronicled - Favre hangs it up. Here is a portion of today's jsonline chat w/ Bob McGinn, who doesn't carry anybody's water. This is what I've been trying to get at: Q: Stevie of Milton - Hello Bob- You are my favorite sports writer. Do you think Brett Favre's retirement speech put to rest the Scott Favre and Bus Cook comments. I was a Colts fan for 24 hours thinking the Pack pushed Brett out the door. A: Bob McGinn - Stevie: Do you think Cook and the brother were lying? Of course, they weren't lying. There were a lot of factors involving Favre's decision-making process that didn't come up yesterday. Here you have TT and MM sitting 15 feet away. It's in the GB atrium. There's a G blanket behind the podium. The Packers orchestrated the event. Now you get Favre on his own turf, in Hattiesburg or anywhere away from that building, and some of the stuff that the agent and the brother said would have shown forth. Take pressers in team headquarters for what they are. Some of it is real. Some of it is sanitized. Why should I believe anything Bus Cook has to say? This is the guy who tried to strong arm the Raiders into drafting Calvin Johnson #1 (his client) after getting Moss (his client) traded. He'll say whatever to line his pockets with $$$
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 7, 2008 13:54:31 GMT -6
Why should I believe anything Bus Cook has to say? This is the guy who tried to strong arm the Raiders into drafting Calvin Johnson #1 (his client) after getting Moss (his client) traded. He'll say whatever to line his pockets with $$$ How does him commenting on Moss AFTER he signs line his pockets? Furthermore, how does that explain Scott Favre? Cook and his brother are two of his best friends, and like McGinn said, why would they lie? Of course Favre isn't going to sit up there and bash a guy who's sitting 15 feet away from him. Good grief.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 7, 2008 14:11:05 GMT -6
Of course Favre isn't going to sit up there and bash a guy who's sitting 15 feet away from him. Good grief. Of course not. But if it was that big of an issue...why would he fly all the way to GB to do the presser? He could have easily organized something in Miss. I just don't understand how people think/believe that TT didn't do enough to surround Brett with talent and that was done b/c he wanted Favre to retire. He obviosuly surrounded him with enough talent to be successful...they played in the NFC Championship game! As I posted after the presser...skeptics, conspiracy theorists and TT haters will never be satisfied.
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Kingsbury
Junior
Sadly, no longer in the "Fear 42" Fan Club!!!
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Post by Kingsbury on Mar 7, 2008 14:12:59 GMT -6
I was talking last year before the draft. Bus Cook seemed to be trying to hold the Raiders hostage so they would draft his client at #1. JMO, but I don't believe much that comes out of his mouth.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 7, 2008 14:16:40 GMT -6
Of course not. But if it was that big of an issue...why would he fly all the way to GB to do the presser? He could have easily organized something in Miss. Favre didn't want to do it initially, he wanted to wait a while. Said so during the press conference. GB pressed him to get up there ASAP and to do it at Lambeau Field. My guess is some more stuff is going to come out in the next few months. Favre likes to talk, and if he's bothered by how things went down, we'll here about it. If not, I'll stand corrected.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 7, 2008 14:24:41 GMT -6
I'm sure Brett did a presser in Green Bay to be polite, and to give the fans here a chance to hear from him. He also stated that the Packers specifically asked him to do it, and he wasn't real keen on it himself.
Favre has always been reluctant to speak negatively about the coaches and/or GM's. He didn't bash Holmgren for leaving, Rhodes for stinking, Sherman for being an idiot, or Thomson for writing him off.
And that's what I think Thomson did. He wrote Favre off, and decided he would not aggressively make moves to get Favre to the Super Bowl before he was done. If they made it, I'm sure TT would be fine with it, but his goals had nothing what so ever to do with a title while Favre was still here.
I think that was wrong. Not because Favre needs his butt kissed, but because Favre gave many seasons to the franchise with sub par talent around him and never complained.
Is it so wrong to make every effort to get another ring for the perhaps most recognizable Packer in history? Is it a bad thing to make just a few moves designed at getting to the Super Bowl while he still has a chance?
TT had 3 seasons to try to make that happen. In 2 of them, he didn't sign even one free agent (including this season so far). That tells me that gettign Favre a ring wasn't even on TT's radar.
And I think that's wrong.
Actually, I think getting a ring should be the goal EVERY season, and if you have a move that can make that more likely, you should take it.
TT is always building for the future, and in my opinion doesn't focus enough on the NOW.
To make a basketball analogy, it's like a coach cutting juniors and seniors every season to free up schollies for new freshmen, to build through recruiting. (Bad analogy, but I think you get my point.)
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 7, 2008 14:25:16 GMT -6
My guess is some more stuff is going to come out in the next few months. Favre likes to talk, and if he's bothered by how things went down, we'll here about it. If not, I'll stand corrected. We shall see. I don't necessarily disagree that there were other contributing factors...but I just don't think that TT purposefully didn't surround him with high-profile FA's (aka talent) in an attempt to push him towards retirement. You're right...it could be an interesting couple of weeks/months.
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 7, 2008 14:29:30 GMT -6
Yoda on Ted Thompson:
All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing.
;D
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 7, 2008 14:41:01 GMT -6
And that's what I think Thomson did. He wrote Favre off, and decided he would not aggressively make moves to get Favre to the Super Bowl before he was done. If they made it, I'm sure TT would be fine with it, but his goals had nothing what so ever to do with a title while Favre was still here. I'm just curious...what do you think TT's goals are/were? Mediocrity? I think that was wrong. Not because Favre needs his butt kissed, but because Favre gave many seasons to the franchise with sub par talent around him and never complained. I would amend that to say "rarely complained." From March '07... "I know what we could have signed him for," Favre told Memphis television station WMC-TV at his annual charity golf tournament Saturday in Tunica, Miss. "We could have gotten him for less money than New England did. He wanted to play in Green Bay for the amount of money we could have paid him. It (was) well worth the risk."
Favre added that he thinks Moss would have been a great addition to the Packers. It was the first time Favre has acknowledged publicly what many observers suspected, which is that he was strongly in favor of acquiring Moss to give the Packers one last chance at being a contender during Favre's career. When Favre decided to return for another season in Green Bay, he said he thought the team was on the right track, but his latest comments indicate that he questions the management's commitment to winning."
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Post by nighthawk on Mar 7, 2008 14:48:20 GMT -6
I think TT has an unhealthy obsession with 5 years from now. All the time. All his moves are geared for 5 years from now. When will NOW be a focus?
His goals for the last 3 years are to be really good later, not now. We will see if that philosophy yields and rings. I am not content with perpetual Playoff contenders as the goal.
As for my comment about complaints, I was referring to the Rhodes and Sherman years. When TT came in he was quiet for a year, saw what I describe above, and probably got angry.
Most other players would have demanded a trade to a contender in his position. He didn't.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 7, 2008 15:09:12 GMT -6
The claim that TT is a Ron Wolf disciple is a complete fallacy. Wolf was bringing in free agents all the time. He spent a truckload of money on Reggie White. He brought in guys like Santana Dotson, Mike Prior and Shawn Jones when he realized they were on the cusp of the Super Bowl and needed the defense shored up. He brought in Keith Jackson to pu the offense over the top. What does TT do last off-season when the team finished with four straight wins and Favre announced he was coming back? Signed one guy, Frank Walker. What a complete fvcking joke. Brett saw Ron Wolf bringing in guys every year, and TT doesn't do a damn thing. He hasn't done one thing this off-season with $35 million in the bank. Call him whatever you want, but nobody should say he's anything like Ron Wolf. No wonder Brett retired, I'd be pissed off, too.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 7, 2008 15:11:51 GMT -6
I think TT has an unhealthy obsession with 5 years from now. All the time. All his moves are geared for 5 years from now. When will NOW be a focus? His goals for the last 3 years are to be really good later, not now. We will see if that philosophy yields and rings. I am not content with perpetual Playoff contenders as the goal. If I remember correctly the Packers were one game away from the Super Bowl THIS year...... Moss to the Patriots, no ring. There was no guarantee Randy would have been the same player in GB as he was in New England.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 7, 2008 15:54:59 GMT -6
The claim that TT is a Ron Wolf disciple is a complete fallacy. Wolf was bringing in free agents all the time. He spent a truckload of money on Reggie White. He brought in guys like Santana Dotson, Mike Prior and Shawn Jones when he realized they were on the cusp of the Super Bowl and needed the defense shored up. He brought in Keith Jackson to pu the offense over the top. What does TT do last off-season when the team finished with four straight wins and Favre announced he was coming back? Signed one guy, Frank Walker. What a complete fvcking joke. Brett saw Ron Wolf bringing in guys every year, and TT doesn't do a damn thing. He hasn't done one thing this off-season with $35 million in the bank. Call him whatever you want, but nobody should say he's anything like Ron Wolf. No wonder Brett retired, I'd be pissed off, too. I never claimed TT was a RW disciple. I just said that they view FA as ONE of the venues in which to build a franchise. As I'm sure most GM's do. You're on the money about those other FA's though...I forgot about Dotson and Jones. They were instrumental to that defense. Not sure about Mike Prior though...a fine player, but his presence certainly didn't make them elite. But what about guys like LeRoy Butler, Antonio Freeman, Doug Evans, Bernardo Harris and Edgar Bennett...? They were all draft picks. As for TT only bringing in Frank Walker...not totally accurate. Through FA, sure, but he also traded for Ryan Grant who had a helluva season and brought the running game from non-existent to respectable. He also brought in Woodson and Pickett through FA the year before. I know that you and 'hawk will call the Grant trade lucky and point out that Grant had a crappy game in the NFC championship game. And 'hawk will say once teams were scheming to stop Grant, he didn't do anything, etc., etc. But the fact of the matter is that Ryan Grant being in a GB Packer uniform is the result of a TT trade to get him. He rushed for 956 yards, 8 TD's and averaged 5.1 yards per carry.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Mar 7, 2008 16:05:49 GMT -6
As a fellow Buccaneer fan, I find it far from beautiful how this occasion has been dealt with. In fact its disgusting. It is absolutely absurd that Sapp gets next to no press about his retirement and the league (and ESPN) are in some state of mourning over the Favre retirement. 3 days of constant ESPN coverage on both networks and the radio. a week of NFL Network coverage of every moment of his career. Favre's image was on the cover of ESPN.com longer than any player who died and any team who won a title. Oakland is the bigger media outlet (and its further from Bristol) so thats out of the question. Is this a race issue? When was the last time a first ballot Hall of Famer was forgotten? The only 2 factors I can see is that the Raiders weren't really competitive when Sapp ended his career and Sapp doesn't play QB. Sapp's lone ESPN article (compared to Favre's 35) was about how ESPN was forgetting him. What a joke. NFL Network has yet to give Sapp his video montage week. Also I just heard that Warren Sapp was on PTI on Thursday as part of the '5 good minutes' segment and he said he purposely announced his retirement during Favre's thing so that he could avoid a whole bunch of publicity. Just an FYI.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 7, 2008 16:06:42 GMT -6
'holic...you mentioned a TE from Miami... Are you thinking of Keith Jackson? Jackson! Thank you! Boy I knew I was butchering that when I posted it. Kingsbury - C'mon man, don't you know that every agent speaks truthfully and honestly except Rosenhaus? I mean to think an agent would have a skewed perception that would favor one of his top clients is absurd! As for Sapp, if you don't think he's a HOF candidate let alone a first ballot you're nuts. He played a position that doesn't get the hype that a QB does but name one three-technique DT that's done as good or better job in the last 15 years. Sapp revolutionized the position. Hell, how many other DTs get close to 100 career sacks?
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