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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 16, 2022 13:34:56 GMT -6
Jeez Fran you must be fun at parties, PBS is gone thats been the worst wart on this program the last 5 years. I will have some hope because the league is so bad that the level team needed to be in the running for the NCAA bid is quite low IMO. Total reclamation? Butler aint walking back into the HL and the rest of the league is filled with about 3 actual decent programs right now. The right coach can compete next year if they are savvy in the portal. Maybe its just me in adulthood trying to be more positive but I dont think its that bad. sh*t an AAU coach and JSP playing 6 minutes a night probably wins a few more games. Coach couldnt figure out you dont have to play a "Big" all the time in this league.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 16, 2022 14:01:11 GMT -6
This is the Horizon League and not a Power 5 conference. Some Coach can come in here and win right away. That’s why I’m confused why no one on here wants an established and proven D1 coach looking to revitalize his career. Even Evansville fans (a private school) are campaigning for Tom Crean. That’s because with good coaching and a transfer or 2, you’re in the dance, outside of the Power 5’s. What would Milwaukee record be this year with a better coaching staff? I think when Tom Crean flipped all of us off and told us to "get the f*** out of his building" was when we decided we would never like Tom Crean. "Was it when I called you 'Pimple Popper, M.D.?'" "That's the one!" |
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Post by davedome on Mar 16, 2022 15:33:27 GMT -6
I think when Tom Crean flipped all of us off and told us to "get the f*** out of his building" was when we decided we would never like Tom Crean. "Was it when I called you 'Pimple Popper, M.D.?'" "That's the one!" |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 16, 2022 15:51:22 GMT -6
Jeez Fran you must be fun at parties, PBS is gone thats been the worst wart on this program the last 5 years. I will have some hope because the league is so bad that the level team needed to be in the running for the NCAA bid is quite low IMO. Total reclamation? Butler aint walking back into the HL and the rest of the league is filled with about 3 actual decent programs right now. The right coach can compete next year if they are savvy in the portal. Maybe its just me in adulthood trying to be more positive but I dont think its that bad. sh*t an AAU coach and JSP playing 6 minutes a night probably wins a few more games. Coach couldnt figure out you dont have to play a "Big" all the time in this league. The MEAC, the Northeast, the Southland and the SWAC would be the preferred destinations for new D1 head coaches if we follow this logic. They're not. Believe it or not, the "all the other teams in your conference suck" argument is kind of a two edged sword. |
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Post by mattg on Mar 16, 2022 19:27:38 GMT -6
So many chicken littles on this board who just wanna make every excuse why this job is impossible to succeed in. But that extends to the team and staff themselves going back to the Jeter era. Used to know the head athletic trainer when Jeter was coach and all he would talk about was how it was "impossible" to recruit to UWM because AAU teams wouldn't even allow UWM into gyms. Hilarious defeatist mindset stuff its no wonder UWM hasn't had legitimate talent on the roster in over a decade. Jeter was a nice guy, but not a legitimate Division 1 coach or recruiter, nice assistant though. Then there's PBS who was just hilariously awful as a coach. I can go to an average middle school tournament and see multiple teams that have a better team identity than PBS ever instilled in any team he coached. But neither guy ever developed a single player significantly in their tenure and could never establish a team identity.
You wanna build something here? A new coach should be 100% focused on skill development and recruiting guys based on the principle that we will develop you here with the aim of turning you into a pro, ideally NBA, but if not then overseas. That's how you sell kids on coming to a school like UWM. And you will have the opportunity to show out in the NCAA tournament because the Horizon is horrific. There are skill development trainers in the Milwaukee area who would legit be worth 6 figures+ to hire on staff immediately as assistant coaches. Dudes who are currently developing literally all of the top HS talent in Southeast Wisconsin AND have all the connections to youth programs/HS. It's mind boggling that a school wouldn't hire someone like that when they talk about how they can't recruit highly rated players. If you can't get the high ranking guys, then develop dudes. If you don't wanna do that, then just get rid of men's basketball all together.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 16, 2022 19:37:08 GMT -6
To come swinging in on a chandelier and say that Jeter's staff didn't develop players shows that you have no idea what you're talking about, and that you should swing right back out on the same light fixture.
There are plenty of threads on this board where you can go study and relitigate the past. It has been gone over ad nauseum, and I think most of us are using this opportunity to look forward. The Baldwin era will be an embarassment to this program for all time, only rivaled by Cobb and Swetalla.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 16, 2022 20:33:20 GMT -6
I pose this question to the elders among us. At the end of the Ric Cobb era, who on this board thought we would be dancin' four years later, and in the Sweet Sixteen two years after that?
Yes, we now have a different chancellor and AD that we are leery of, and mid-major success in the NCAA tournament is more difficult now. My point is even when at a very low point things can turn quickly. No one can say a significant turn around cannot possibly happen here. It has, just one generation ago! I am not saying we will be in the Sweet Sixteen anytime soon, but the right coaching hire could go a long way in turning this program around.
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Post by mattg on Mar 16, 2022 20:39:43 GMT -6
To come swinging in on a chandelier and say that Jeter's staff didn't develop players shows that you have no idea what you're talking about, and that you should swing right back out on the same light fixture. There are plenty of threads on this board where you can go study and relitigate the past. It has been gone over ad nauseum, and I think most of us are using this opportunity to look forward. The Baldwin era will be an embarassment to this program for all time, only rivaled by Cobb and Swetalla. The truth hurts. UWM as a program has been completely devoid of talent and developing players since Pearl was here. Rob was a great freaking guy and many here love him for it, but his tenure was an embarrassment as a head coach given the keys he was handed. A legit coach being hired would show that pretty quickly. Jeter took a peak successful mid major program coming off a sweet 16, that had returning talent on it, and ran it into the ground. He had the good year with Pearl's players but then won the Horizon once in the next decade LOL while making 1 NIT and 1 NCAA tournament. UWM's biggest rival was putting guys into the NBA and competing on the highest level of college and Jeter could never capitalize on that. Couldn't recruit to save his life, could never establish a team identity, couldn't consistently win at a high enough clip to be relevant. Never had less than 13 losses in a season except his one year with Pearl's guys to start. Like I said, if that's good enough to anyone here, chicken little mindset. That's like being happy with the Herb Kohl era Bucks being the 8th seed every year in the NBA. Also, f*** PBS. The dude sucked as a coach, like completely out of his depth as a head coach.
Also, the whole 2nd paragraph was aimed towards the future, you didn't wanna talk about that.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 16, 2022 21:02:52 GMT -6
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a brand new poster, especially some jagoff with big balls who thinks he can come in and act like he's the smartest guy in the room and denigrate everyone else in the process.
No one knows who you are, pal. You're opinion carries no credibility.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 16, 2022 22:42:31 GMT -6
This boob isn’t just arrogant and irritating, he’s completely factually wrong. Anthony Hill didn’t develop? Marcus Skinner? Matt Tiby? Kyle Kelm? And that’s just the big men.
And the idea that some local AAU shmuck or “skill developer” should be put on staff for six figures is beyond hilarious.
Seriously, this is closer to a parody account than a serious poster.
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 17, 2022 6:51:22 GMT -6
I understand being wary of a person's agenda, but why do some insist on making new posters feel so unwelcome? This isn't an exclusive club that needs gatekeepers.
Matt's argument that our program hasn't had an identity or hasn't consistently developed players since Bruce Pearl is the absolute truth! I would say the majority of fans have felt the same and were ready to move on from Coach Jeter (in part) for these reasons.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 17, 2022 7:00:47 GMT -6
This boob isn’t just arrogant and irritating, he’s completely factually wrong. Anthony Hill didn’t develop? Marcus Skinner? Matt Tiby? Kyle Kelm? And that’s just the big men. And the idea that some local AAU shmuck or “skill developer” should be put on staff for six figures is beyond hilarious. Seriously, this is closer to a parody account than a serious poster. Those AAU dudes would provide way more than what the asst coaches did this year. I swear they had two coaches just trying to make sure the team could get the right matchups. Sure would hate to have connections to programs like PhenomU and the other big AAU programs. All the top guys play for like 3 programs and play with each other every year, would hate to have that avenue. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 17, 2022 8:10:31 GMT -6
Mattg is absolutely one of the those guys who only attended games post-Pearl to “hate watch” Jeter. I used to sit by people who would do that and it was weird to say the least.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 17, 2022 8:19:13 GMT -6
Mattg is absolutely one of the those guys who only attended games post-Pearl to “hate watch” Jeter. I used to sit by people who would do that and it was weird to say the least. Straight up I sat by some dudes this year who couldnt stop melting down over AB this year, took my pops to a game and he almost had to tell the dudes to get a f***ing grip. So this comment is weird as f***. No one wanted RJ to run his sh*tty flex and bring in bums post pearl but that is what happened. Shouldnt judge anyone who puts loot down to come watch the awful coaches theyve had in since BP. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 17, 2022 8:46:58 GMT -6
Here we go, re-litigating the past for the 10,000th time...
Shut up, already. You still have a hard on for a coach that has been gone for 6 years. Get a life!
This is why I can't stand 85% of our "fanbase." If you spent anywhere near as much time and energy on what's going on now as you do hating on a coach that's been gone for 6 years, the program might be in a far better place than it is. Instead, you sit on your asses and run your mouths while the program rots.
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