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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Mar 14, 2022 19:42:53 GMT -6
The fascination with Darner utterly mystifies me. In his last four years at GB, after he lost the Wardle players that took them to the HLT title and NCAA bid in '16, he went 69-67. His teams finished 4th, 7th, 4th and 3rd in those years in progressively weaker Horizon Leagues. This is a guy we should be looking at? Why? He proved that he couldn't recruit the talent to run his system in D1. 4th, 7th, 4th, and 3rd is better than any Milwaukee coach since Bruce Pearl, and he did it at a school whose location and (from what I’ve read) budget make his job more difficult than it was in Milwaukee. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2022 20:28:41 GMT -6
1. He did it in a league that was collapsing in quality.
2. Seriously, that’s our hiring standard now? Achieving 4th place in a low major league? Wow, the progress we have made!
3. You do realize he would be working for Amanda Braun, right? Do you actually think he would be getting MORE support!?
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 14, 2022 21:30:09 GMT -6
This is coming from someone who thinks a washed up Bruce Weber would be some sort of messiah for Milwaukee basketball.
Give me a break!
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 15, 2022 20:16:46 GMT -6
Bart Lundy & Queens lost tonight and he is now completely available too. NW Missouri State & Ben McCollum beat top seed Augustana and they're headed to the Elite 8. Fun fact - every time McCollum has reached they Elite 8, he's won the national title.
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Post by thetruth on Mar 15, 2022 20:50:32 GMT -6
There is no need for us to talk about any other Division II coaches. There is only one clear choice we should hire. We need to wait it out for Ben McCollum and then give him whatever he wants.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 15, 2022 21:57:38 GMT -6
There is no need for us to talk about any other Division II coaches. There is only one clear choice we should hire. We need to wait it out for Ben McCollum and then give him whatever he wants. Easy to say when it is not our money. We need a Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, etc. |
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 15, 2022 22:48:45 GMT -6
There is no need for us to talk about any other Division II coaches. There is only one clear choice we should hire. We need to wait it out for Ben McCollum and then give him whatever he wants. Easy to say when it is not our money. We need a Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, etc. Something something is our money. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 16, 2022 9:39:36 GMT -6
Style of play is so wildly irrelevant to me. - Graduate your kids - Do right by them - Be an upstanding citizen - Win, baby WIN Winning is the only thing that matters. By my count, those are four things that matter. I was an English major |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 16, 2022 9:41:15 GMT -6
This is the Horizon League and not a Power 5 conference. Some Coach can come in here and win right away. That’s why I’m confused why no one on here wants an established and proven D1 coach looking to revitalize his career. Even Evansville fans (a private school) are campaigning for Tom Crean. That’s because with good coaching and a transfer or 2, you’re in the dance, outside of the Power 5’s. What would Milwaukee record be this year with a better coaching staff? I think when Tom Crean flipped all of us off and told us to "get the f*** out of his building" was when we decided we would never like Tom Crean. |
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Post by steveisback on Mar 16, 2022 10:00:55 GMT -6
Tom Crean is a first class a hole....in the fine tradition of former MU coaches like Buzz Williams and Kevin O Neill, especially the latter. This does not apply to Al McGuire who I had the great gift of getting to know a bit through Ric Cobb. He was just amazing guy but I digress
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 16, 2022 10:07:57 GMT -6
Easy to say when it is not our money. We need a Plan B, Plan C, Plan D, etc. She’s working with a finite amount of money to begin with so numbers aren’t going to change barring something unforeseen. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 16, 2022 10:33:37 GMT -6
There need to be a lot of plan Bs, because over the next couple weeks we will see more openings and more competition. The competition is not purely financial. As someone directly involved in such things put it to me last weekend, “You know how important it is that you take that first [D1 head coaching job] at a place where you can win” — meaning a place that provides the environment and support needed to win.
Anyone who thinks that describes Milwaukee right now is lying to himself.
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Post by steveisback on Mar 16, 2022 10:47:50 GMT -6
Sad but true. If it did happen it would be in spite of rather than due to.....
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 16, 2022 11:21:13 GMT -6
There need to be a lot of plan Bs, because over the next couple weeks we will see more openings and more competition. The competition is not purely financial. As someone directly involved in such things put it to me last weekend, “You know how important it is that you take that first [D1 head coaching job] at a place where you can win” — meaning a place that provides the environment and support needed to win. Anyone who thinks that describes Milwaukee right now is lying to himself. A good coach wins here with the sh*tty AD right now. The league is so bad that any solid coach will turn this around. This isnt the same HL from when i was going to school. WSU probably losing tonight in the play in game says alot when this league was almost a 2 bid league at one point. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 16, 2022 12:51:00 GMT -6
It's possible, but it won't happen quickly. This isn't even a rebuild. It's a total reclamation job. This program hasn't had so much as a winning season in six years, much less anything approaching contention in that very very bad HL. That's absolutely not all on bad coaching. That only happens when an institution simply doesn't care that it's happening.
My point is that there will be more attractive job openings where a new coach doesn't have to, almost literally, start the program over from scratch as is necessary here, and do it at an institution whose attitude about that program is, at best, benign neglect. It's going to take an enormous stroke of luck to hire someone who is both limited to taking this compromised an opportunity yet is also able to overcome those headwinds. Even more enormous when you consider who is doing the hiring.
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