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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 10, 2013 17:21:31 GMT -6
Fair enough. Then we should stay put in the HL, since it isn't a step up. Sounds more like a lateral move from your pov. BTW in the last 5 NCAA tourneys the Valley has taken ONE team each time. That doesn't happen in ACTUAL elite conferences. MVC sent two teams last season. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 10, 2013 18:30:10 GMT -6
My bad I misread Creighton for California apparently. Either way, 4 of the last 5 years they've sent one team. Name one elite conference who has done that.
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 10, 2013 21:42:27 GMT -6
I didn't even know Creighton had decided to leave the conference, so this is all news to me. I figured the valley would always avoid all of the realignment bullsh*t.
Yes, we definitely need to address issues with facilities and branding, but once we do, nutz to the valley. Let's get good and dominate the Horizon again. Let's go dancing every year in a good mid-major conference instead of trying to battle in the most underrated conference in the country.
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Post by Hack on Mar 11, 2013 6:47:49 GMT -6
I didn't even know Creighton had decided to leave the conference, so this is all news to me. I figured the valley would always avoid all of the realignment bullsh*t. They haven't (at least publicly), but they are likely to join the new Big East not next season, but in 2014-15. |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Mar 11, 2013 9:57:37 GMT -6
My bad I misread Creighton for California apparently. Either way, 4 of the last 5 years they've sent one team. Name one elite conference who has done that. I would put the valley against the hl any year. Majority/all of the time, valley wins. From top down, I feel they are a huge leap from the conference we're in. Hands down, this school is not ready for that adjustment. Elite will always be open for debate, I'm not going to base a discussion on one word, but body of work. Minus Butler, the MVC is amongst the most feared conf. as it pertains to mid-majors. |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Mar 11, 2013 10:09:22 GMT -6
Pac 12. Is not the same conf. it was several years ago. If we're are comparing conf. from 5yr time span. which you've seen to have done. It has football and the cash flow to back it up. Just ask the Big 10-11-16 how ever they go by now a days, they mastered the entitlement BCS game(called the jackpot: Rose Bowl) But national champion, can't remember the last Pac 10 school that won that one. UCLA? B-12,ACC, Big East okay, football money, football money etc. We'll see how well the big L-east does once that money is gone. if we stick to pure talent and players sent to the league, I rest my case. How many studs come from the HL. I can name several talented draft choices from the MVC. Yeah I jumped around, but if you're going to base my opinion on one word this topic is pointless.
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Post by PantherLou on Mar 11, 2013 10:19:33 GMT -6
My 2 cents on this topic:
1. It is almost certainly NOT going to happen.
2. The reason for (#1) is almost completely due to our incredibly mismanaged athletic department and mediocre men's basketball program over the last 8 years.
However, if hell froze over and we had a chance to leave the Horizon league for the Valley, I certainly would expect that we would do so in a heartbeat. But...it is extremely unlikely.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 11, 2013 17:02:46 GMT -6
I would put the valley against the hl any year. Majority/all of the time, valley wins. From top down, I feel they are a huge leap from the conference we're in. Hands down, this school is not ready for that adjustment. Elite will always be open for debate, I'm not going to base a discussion on one word, but body of work. Minus Butler, the MVC is amongst the most feared conf. as it pertains to mid-majors. I'm not saying the Valley is on par w/ the HL b/c the Valley is unquestionably better. Like I said I've been a proponent of going there for awhile now. In terms of elite the BCS conferences are in that category, not the Valley. In the elite conferences, you pretty much play your way OUT of the tourney as opposed to fighting to get in. The elite conferences are often given a bs "benefit of doubt" whereas Missouri State has proven that mid-majors, even from the Valley, are guaranteed nothing. |
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Mar 13, 2013 14:23:33 GMT -6
point taken
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Post by buppie05 on Mar 14, 2013 8:47:30 GMT -6
My preference would be to stay in the Horizon, stick with our traditional rivalries, and try to build for the future here. According to this ESPN article, the "Catholic 7" are going to make a decision about who goes with them over the next 7 to 10 days. The teams that are mentioned in the article, like Richmond, St. Louis, Creighton ect. make it a possibility that both the A10 and MVC will be looking for teams to fill gaps. Who knows who will get chosen, and who will actually want to go, but if the A10 is looking for 3 or 4 teams, it makes since that they would look at the CAA and the Horizon. Where else are they going to find teams? We may not be first on anyone's list, but if the A10 is looking to add a few teams, and we are willing to move back to the cell, I could see us being considered for that conference as well. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9049766/source-new-big-east-announce-additional-members-7-10-days |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2013 9:29:20 GMT -6
My preference would be to stay in the Horizon, stick with our traditional rivalries, and try to build for the future here. According to this ESPN article, the "Catholic 7" are going to make a decision about who goes with them over the next 7 to 10 days. The teams that are mentioned in the article, like Richmond, St. Louis, Creighton ect. make it a possibility that both the A10 and MVC will be looking for teams to fill gaps. Who knows who will get chosen, and who will actually want to go, but if the A10 is looking for 3 or 4 teams, it makes since that they would look at the CAA and the Horizon. Where else are they going to find teams? We may not be first on anyone's list, but if the A10 is looking to add a few teams, and we are willing to move back to the cell, I could see us being considered for that conference as well. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9049766/source-new-big-east-announce-additional-members-7-10-daysHonest-to-God, I'd rather stay in the Horizon League than go to the A10. If we keep this 9 together and say, add Oakland, Belmont and another school (Robert Morris? Another bball-first school), we'd be significantly better than the A10 in my mind and neck and neck with the MVC. Let's consider the best possibility - the rising tide raises all ships in the Horizon  |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 14, 2013 16:39:36 GMT -6
I wouldn't say "significantly better than the A10. There still is UMass, St. Joe's, La Salle. I get your point. I wouldn't go to the A10 because the travel would be a nightmare.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 14, 2013 19:40:24 GMT -6
If we keep this 9 together and say, add Oakland, Belmont and another school (Robert Morris? Another bball-first school), we'd be significantly better than the A10 in my mind and neck and neck with the MVC. If Belmont had to chose between the Valley, HL & A-10 we'd lose every single time. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 14, 2013 19:50:21 GMT -6
We may not be first on anyone's list, but if the A10 is looking to add a few teams, and we are willing to move back to the cell, I could see us being considered for that conference as well. We have much less of a chance to get into the A-10 than the Valley. Much less. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 14, 2013 23:40:14 GMT -6
If we keep this 9 together and say, add Oakland, Belmont and another school (Robert Morris? Another bball-first school), we'd be significantly better than the A10 in my mind and neck and neck with the MVC. If Belmont had to chose between the Valley, HL & A-10 we'd lose every single time. Unfortunately I think you're right on that one. Well, I think that's the pecking order. I think the A10 will go exclusively east coast and pick off the best of the CAA. Belmont is out of each of the three conference's footprint, but it'll be really far out for the A10. |
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