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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 9, 2013 14:44:14 GMT -6
Green Bay has...a more recognizable brand, a solid fan base, and has less of a perception of being an also-ran commuter school such as Wisconsin-Milwaukee, UW-Milwaukee, Wisc.-Milw., etc. You're going to need to elaborate on these three to make a better argument. |
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 9, 2013 14:50:12 GMT -6
Yes. Because the students at green bay care so much more about sports than we do here.... Did you see the amount of students at their home conference tourney game against us? Also they sat the entire game. Its kind of pathetic for the season they have had so far. I mean we had almost no student fans this year either but we sucked.
My point being that green bay not being a commuter school like we are had little to nothing to do with the amount if student fan-base they have.
Also, since when is green bay a better market. Yeah they have an NFL tram and everyone loves Green Bay, but their population compared to Milwaukee isn't even close. Milwaukee is by far the biggest market between the two schools and its one of the biggest markets i the HL.
Also, when was the last time you looked at green bay's budget compared to ours...
I am not saying that we should be thinking we are getting into the MVC, but don't sell us shorter than green bay.
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Post by uwmfansince1997 on Mar 9, 2013 14:51:00 GMT -6
How about us being considered the YSU of the Valley. Pot calling the kettle black. I remember those comments last year. Get rid of YSU.....they suck. really. Let's get out of this high school gym, that's more realistic, then joining an elite conference.
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Post by Lutzow10 on Mar 9, 2013 15:00:32 GMT -6
I am one of the people that thinks this is the biggest long shot ever. I highly doubt we will be joining the MVC. But if we knew we had a chance at the MVC thats a lot more motivation to get the arena problem fixed. Going back to the cell wouldnt even be as big a deal if we knew we were going to the MVC.
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Post by PANTHERfan on Mar 9, 2013 15:05:12 GMT -6
Green Bay is a better candidate than Milwaukee. Green Bay has superior facilities, a more recognizable brand, a solid fan base, and has less of a perception of being an also-ran commuter school such as Wisconsin-Milwaukee, UW-Milwaukee, Wisc.-Milw., etc. These are other programs sorted by conference affiliation that many from outside of the UWM bubble would consider more valuable as it pertains to the MVC.
Horizon LeagueCleveland State Detroit Green Bay Loyola Valpo UIC
Ohio ValleyBelmont Murray State Summit LeagueDenver SouthlandOral Roberts Ha. Really?? Please elaborate. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 9, 2013 15:36:32 GMT -6
Let's get out of this high school gym, that's more realistic, then joining an elite conference. The Valley is not an elite conference. |
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Post by The Green Gull on Mar 9, 2013 15:41:54 GMT -6
There's too many schools that are more identifiable, have better facilities, draw more than 2,000 fans a game, and don't have a hyphenated name which would garner invites before the MVC would consider UW-Milwaukee.
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Post by The Green Gull on Mar 9, 2013 15:56:12 GMT -6
The Athletics program at UW-Milwaukee has significant problems. - Brand Equity and perception of the program is weak
- Arguably the worse facilities in the horizon league
- Meager donation base and alumni support
- Poor school spirit
I've seen very little evidence of these problems being addressed. Perhaps the new A.D. will address these. But without these problems being addressed I don't know how in the world they would realistically garner an invitation to an "upgraded" conference. By the way their only revenue sport , men's basketball, just went 7-24 against Division 1 competition this season. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 9, 2013 15:59:09 GMT -6
There's too many schools that are more identifiable, have better facilities, draw more than 2,000 fans a game, and don't have a hyphenated name which would garner invites before the MVC would consider UW-Milwaukee.  |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 9, 2013 16:38:04 GMT -6
I have it from a reputable source that there is no top 4 as of yet. Are we in consideration? Yes, I wouldn't have known unless they called me. But the people I've talked to said the MVC office has a preliminary list between 12-16 candidates, so take that for what it's worth. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 9, 2013 16:38:39 GMT -6
The Athletics program at UW-Milwaukee has significant problems. - Brand Equity and perception of the program is weak
- Arguably the worse facilities in the horizon league
- Meager donation base and alumni support
- Poor school spirit
I've seen very little evidence of these problems being addressed. Perhaps the new A.D. will address these. But without these problems being addressed I don't know how in the world they would realistically garner an invitation to an "upgraded" conference. By the way their only revenue sport , men's basketball, just went 7-24 against Division 1 competition this season. One year's success/failures is a blip on the radar and isn't a determining factor. Colorado football didn't have a winning record their last 5 years in the Big 12. By your logic there's no chance they're getting into the Pac-12. Branding has been an issue but if you could show me some articles that state the national perception of our program being weak by other universities. Would you say GB's brand known moreso for their men's bball team or women's? I'd say the latter. Don't see how that helps them. No one goes "Duke, yeah they've got a real underrated football team" or "Penn State, do you think they'll contend in hoops this year?" Solid fan base? Given we're their biggest rival they drew only 3890 for the reg season game & 1950 for the tourney game. As been stated numerous times before, the Valley cares about baseball. How did GB do last season? What research has been done to show that hyphenated schools have a negative impact come conference expansion/realignment? Please post the links you obviously have bookmarked. Please also include the OUT OF STATE perception we're a commuter school. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 9, 2013 16:53:57 GMT -6
Yes, I wouldn't have known unless they called me. But the people I've talked to said the MVC office has a preliminary list between 12-16 candidates, so take that for what it's worth. Yeah it'll take one HELL of a sales job but the fact we've got the financials for a new baseball stadium in tact and we're shopping for a location helps to show our intent. |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 9, 2013 17:04:46 GMT -6
Green Bay is "not a serious contender" according to one of my guys. Frankly, their athletics budget is far too weak to support a sustained MVC program. They are historically weak in soccer (although better lately), don't play baseball, and only marginal in volleyball which is a low-major sport in the Horizon League.
But it comes back to their budget, which is under $7 million.
A discussion about our status as a "commuter school" was not discussed, but considering the fact that Milwaukee has more residential students (15,000) than most of the schools on that random-ass list leads me to believe it'd be a non-starter for Milwaukee.
Our achilles heel is a lack of commitment shown for our basketball program, which is weighted 80% of the sports discussion. And it all comes down to facilities. If we rewind 12 months, the U.S. Cellular Arena is comparable to several MVC arenas. If a practice facility is on the way and we're moving back to the Arena, that'd be enough to show we're worthy.
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Mar 9, 2013 17:05:50 GMT -6
The Athletics program at UW-Milwaukee has significant problems. - Brand Equity and perception of the program is weak
- Arguably the worse facilities in the horizon league
- Meager donation base and alumni support
- Poor school spirit
I've seen very little evidence of these problems being addressed. Perhaps the new A.D. will address these. But without these problems being addressed I don't know how in the world they would realistically garner an invitation to an "upgraded" conference. By the way their only revenue sport , men's basketball, just went 7-24 against Division 1 competition this season. hopefully there's nowhere to go but up?!?! |
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Mar 9, 2013 17:12:10 GMT -6
As been stated numerous times before, the Valley cares about baseball. How did GB do last season? this is a great detail for those of us who hadn't seen this topic discussed in other threads, thanks for including it here |
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