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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 19, 2012 18:10:04 GMT -6
Good looking out. Apparently, I can't work the internet  |
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 19, 2012 18:18:26 GMT -6
what kind of dumb would he be to jettison a guy who has the program on the uptick? 20-14 '11-'12 19-14 '10-'11 20-14 '09-'10 17-14 '08-'09 Uptick? More like plateau. Since we are into definitions today. pla·teau [pla-toh] (noun) - a period or state of little or no growth or decline. I'm just hoping Jeter finally takes another job. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 19, 2012 21:43:45 GMT -6
I notice that you carefully excised the rest of the definition: "especially a long-standing one regarded as outmoded or no longer important." Once again you present something as fact when it is your opinion. Style of play has a hell of a lot to do with bringing in crowds, not just winning or Brad Soderberg would still be the coach at UW. You're not seriously suggesting that Pat Richter brought in a coach who consistently plays at nearly the slowest pace of any D1 program because he had a problem with the style of ball the Badgers played under Bennett and Soderberg, are you? A style that had just taken the Badgers to three consecutive NCAA tournaments (unprecedented) including a FF. Pat didn't like the fact that Dick "engineered" Soderberg becoming coach, and wanted his own guy. It wasn't much more complicated. He could also afford it, since Brad didn't even have a multi-year contract as HC. His title was always "interim" coach. By the way, I don't think you quite understand what is being presented as opinion as opposed to "fact." My posts are pretty obviously all opinions -- opinions based on my observations of this great game over many years. Perhaps I'm just surer of my opinions because I'm surer of my observations. But feel free to ignore them. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Mar 19, 2012 22:13:53 GMT -6
You consistently operate under the misguided belief that others aren't as sure of their opinions and how right they are compared to yours. Richter was only willing to keep Soderberg as an interim because he didn't want to hurt Dick Bennett after watching how miserable that team won games using Bennett's system and players following the abrupt resignation in Milwaukee. In the end it destroyed his relationship with the entire Bennett family and Richter lucked into a man who is an even better coach who also thought of Madison as his dream job.
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Post by gman2 on Mar 19, 2012 22:29:34 GMT -6
Simple fact is that the program and coach in the current state do not excite the community at large. With lack of excitement comes apathy. With apathy comes a program that is neither moving backwards or forwards, it is simply stuck. With this comes a debate about facilities. With this comes comments like those from my wife who question why the university needs a new arena or practice facilities when the current facilities are fine. My wife isn't alone, I know a lot of people that think this way. That folks, is the perception from the public at large.
As I've said in the past, I'm a fan of limited means, so my opinion doesn't mean much. But I suspect that if the program doesn't do something to keep the base excited, support will deteriorate among the base. And with Butler leaving, it will only get more difficult to draw interest from the public.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 19, 2012 22:45:54 GMT -6
That "I know a lot of people who think like me" game is all internet/sports radio blather. You'll permit me to discount your authority to speak for the masses. I know a lot of people too. They came to the games and enjoyed them. In fact, we sold more tickets and had more fans this year. If it's not floating your boat, I'm sorry about that. If it makes you feel better to grump about it on the internet, have at it.
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Post by gman2 on Mar 19, 2012 23:00:25 GMT -6
I know this is just my personal view. Others have a different view.
I've tried like hell to be an ambassador for this program to friends and family, trying to get them to come to games. I've hit a dead end, I simply can't get more people to come to the games. And what is the number one reason, the program doesn't excite them.
Personally, I'm not a huge basketball fan. But I'm enough of a fan to support this program because it is my Alma Mater.
In my case the program's lack of excitement has made it difficult for me to get others to come to games and has me debating how much more I want to support the program. Like I said I'm a fan of limited means, I could walk away from the program and neither would miss the other. There are a lot of other entertainment options in the Milwaukee area for me and my family.
Sorry for getting the thread off topic.
Time to take a break from this forum.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 20, 2012 12:53:56 GMT -6
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Post by loveyouso on Mar 20, 2012 13:21:59 GMT -6
Scott Sutton, Oral Roberts coach, (and I assume Eddie Sutton's Son) has interviewed for the Nebraska Job.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 20, 2012 13:29:26 GMT -6
That's in the link I posted.
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Post by skrapheap on Mar 20, 2012 13:49:17 GMT -6
It's been repeatedly mentioned that the department couldn't afford to pay off the balance of Coach Jeter's contract unless they got the money to do so from donors. Does anybody on this board know how much another university will have to pay if they hire him away?
i remember hearing that the buyout was greatly increased when Iowa State tried to hire him away.
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Post by kingsteve on Mar 20, 2012 14:27:45 GMT -6
Skrapheap;...do you know for a fact Iowa State actually made an offer? Highly unlikely....Rob seems to get a lot of courtesy interviews....As regards Nebraska I would think Sutton with 3 NCAA bids and others in his tenure vs 1 in 7 which realy is hard to count but zilch in six going on another six....Rob is not going anywhere unless he is relieved of his contract and that is not going to happen..not saying it should but after end of the contract if zero NCAA bids there should be NO EXTENSIONS...with the attitude of how can one expect anything better and why take a risk with a diffrerent coach that does not get us anywhere. If after 9 or 10 years and no wins in key games to get to NCAA tourney I do not think that is good enough ...19 or 20 wings , no NCAA,,CBI or whatever.. under that rationale why even consider ever replacing a coach if tht is done for 20 years??? I think not..at some point in life a risk has to be taken if things are stagnant. now as regards Bourdreau..great guy and all that but mystified why he would be given the Head Job.. based on WHAT?  Frankly, last straw for me was the Butler game this year.. After the way we laid an egg at home last year you would think we would be breathing fire for revenge. Against a lesser team we get slaughtered 71 -49 and play flat,..not saying there is not pride but Jeter and his teams seems to exude deer in the headlights in clutch venues and it all speaks to a lack of confidence and fire whcih seem to be a reflection of the coaching staff...comments like , we got whipped, I was afraid we were going to come out flat, way too conchalant....where is the toughness, fire and confience??? Dopn't see it unfortunately..know this sounds harsh but give me a break after the debalcle at home last year we could not come out breathing fire against Butler and play so falt and lifeless?? Something is wrong with this picture. we settle for CBI and seem really pleased about it to the point of why even strive for more? We should be satisfied with "being in the hunt every year? There has to be a coach out there who can get to new heghts?? Defeatest attitude and acceptance of medicorty to say why even consider because we could do worse??? Life does not work that way. no risk no reward... |
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Post by kingsteve on Mar 20, 2012 15:18:36 GMT -6
forgot Rob's great quote after TCU loss... "we just could not get over the hump".. sounds like a microcosm of the performance of his staff and teams in key games....unbelievable
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 20, 2012 19:33:30 GMT -6
Skrapheap;...do you know for a fact Iowa State actually made an offer? Highly unlikely....Rob seems to get a lot of courtesy interviews....As regards Nebraska I would think Sutton with 3 NCAA bids and others in his tenure vs 1 in 7 which realy is hard to count but zilch in six going on another six....Rob is not going anywhere unless he is relieved of his contract and that is not going to happen..not saying it should but after end of the contract if zero NCAA bids there should be NO EXTENSIONS...with the attitude of how can one expect anything better and why take a risk with a diffrerent coach that does not get us anywhere. If after 9 or 10 years and no wins in key games to get to NCAA tourney I do not think that is good enough ...19 or 20 wings , no NCAA,,CBI or whatever.. under that rationale why even consider ever replacing a coach if tht is done for 20 years??? I think not..at some point in life a risk has to be taken if things are stagnant. now as regards Bourdreau..great guy and all that but mystified why he would be given the Head Job.. based on WHAT? Frankly, last straw for me was the Butler game this year.. After the way we laid an egg at home last year you would think we would be breathing fire for revenge. Against a lesser team we get slaughtered 71 -49 and play flat,..not saying there is not pride but Jeter and his teams seems to exude deer in the headlights in clutch venues and it all speaks to a lack of confidence and fire whcih seem to be a reflection of the coaching staff...comments like , we got whipped, I was afraid we were going to come out flat, way too conchalant....where is the toughness, fire and confience??? Dopn't see it unfortunately..know this sounds harsh but give me a break after the debalcle at home last year we could not come out breathing fire against Butler and play so falt and lifeless?? Something is wrong with this picture. we settle for CBI and seem really pleased about it to the point of why even strive for more? We should be satisfied with "being in the hunt every year? There has to be a coach out there who can get to new heghts?? Defeatest attitude and acceptance of medicorty to say why even consider because we could do worse??? Life does not work that way. no risk no reward... If you listen closely Steve's high school English teacher just committed suicide. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 20, 2012 19:34:45 GMT -6
No it says he MIGHT be interviewing in Atlanta, there's a difference. |
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Frankly, last straw for me was the Butler game this year.. After the way we laid an egg at home last year you would think we would be breathing fire for revenge. Against a lesser team we get slaughtered 71 -49 and play flat,..not saying there is not pride but Jeter and his teams seems to exude deer in the headlights in clutch venues and it all speaks to a lack of confidence and fire whcih seem to be a reflection of the coaching staff...comments like , we got whipped, I was afraid we were going to come out flat, way too conchalant....where is the toughness, fire and confience??? Dopn't see it unfortunately..know this sounds harsh but give me a break after the debalcle at home last year we could not come out breathing fire against Butler and play so falt and lifeless?? Something is wrong with this picture. we settle for CBI and seem really pleased about it to the point of why even strive for more? We should be satisfied with "being in the hunt every year? There has to be a coach out there who can get to new heghts?? Defeatest attitude and acceptance of medicorty to say why even consider because we could do worse??? Life does not work that way. no risk no reward... 