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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 13, 2012 18:31:11 GMT -6
We've been over this a million times before. When you are forced to build a program with Al Hanson, Nick Hansen, Derrick Wimmer, Steve Hoelzel, Michael Bendall, Luke Homan, and Myles McKay, that's akin to building from scratch. You can argue that Bruce didn't leave the cupboard bare all you want, but his departure did cause at least Ryan Childress to leave with him and hampered recruiting for the first year, as it is with every program. If you were a big Mike Dunlap fan, you have to admit that he would also have had to use a magic wand to keep the team at the level it was playing at or even close to it. If Bruce had stayed, he probably would have brought in a bunch of JUCO's to help the situation, but I don't think the 06-07 team would have beaten Butler or Wright State anyways. The excuse making for Jeter is lame. It doesn't take years to re-build. Nothing shows what a poor job Rob Jeter has done easier than a quick comparison to Tod Kowalczyk. Kowalczyk took over a last place team at Green Bay, with zero talent in the program. After just 1 year of re-building, Kowalczyk had the Phoenix in the conferences top three 6 times in his final 7 years. Along with that was a 100% graduation rate and 0 off the court incidents. Since Pearls Sweet 16 team graduated, Jeter is on track to finish outside the conferences top 3 for the 5th time in 6 years. Even worse, the program has been embarassed by numerous off the court incidents, academic suspensions, and poor graduation rate. In Milwaukee's lone good conference season with a Jeter recruited squad, the team still went just 5-8 in non-conference play, with an RPI of just 91. Stat guru Ken Pomroy ranked Milwaukee the nations 4th luckiest team, suggesting Jeter's only decent season with his players was a fluke. If the HL would have had a more effective tie-breaker, Milwaukee would have had only made the CBI. I don't think anyone here would call Kowalczyk a great coach, and Jeter couldn't even keep the program above his. Now Green Bay has went through another re-build under Wardle, and is positioned to blow past Milwaukee again next year, and become a mid-major power over the next 2 years. All while Jeter continues to spin his wheels despite a veteran roster. I'd love to see the Horizon League become a top 10 conference. However, I believe that will only happen if Milwaukee becomes a high quality program that wins big non-conference games. It has become abundantly clear that this will never happen under Rob Jeter. I hope you'll forgive me if I take a wait and see approach on GB becoming a mid major power anytime soon, but you raise a lot of good points. Two top three finishes in the next seven seasons isn't really what I was hoping for when I walked out of the Illinois game. Every season has its bumps in the road though and hopefully the team will put the Wright State game in the past and regroup tomorrow with a little home cooking. |
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Post by The Green Gull on Feb 13, 2012 18:31:29 GMT -6
Enjoy the Cleveland St. game and the Bracketbuster; I also have season tickets but have missed games because my wife is due to give birth any day now. But to answer your question: Yes, I'd like a coach with a personality and style of play closer to Pearl than Jeter. UWM doesn't have the advantage of being the only game in town, the entertainment dollar is stretched thin. Is going to 2/3 empty arena seeing a team walk the ball up the floor and score 50 points enticing the casual fan to come to games? Of course not. The head coach needs to be a salesman and anambassador. Jeter is a good man who is smart and runs a clean program. He's also not going to take this team anywhere close to the guy before him. This is acceptable to you but it's not to many longtime fans and alumni like myself and others. +1 |
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 13, 2012 19:04:26 GMT -6
First to UWM97: Lot's of luck to the impending birth of your child. I am glad to see that you have your priorities right!!!
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 13, 2012 19:12:29 GMT -6
OK, Here is a scenario: UWM loses its last 5 games, which would give them 7 losses in a row and a 15-17 record. Fire Jeter? This is a similar scenario to Pitt in '94. Paul Evan's team quit on him, and he lost something like his last 10 in a row. Pitt brought in Ralph Willard. How did that work out? It didn't. After success at WK and later at Holy Cross, Willard had 4 undistinguished years at Pitt.
I hope we are not faced with the 15-17 decision. I hope Jeter wins his next 5 and we forget all this Fire Jeter nonsense.
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Post by Hack on Feb 13, 2012 19:19:06 GMT -6
I hope we are not faced with the 15-17 decision. I hope Jeter wins his next 5 and we forget all this Fire Jeter nonsense. Fire Jeter and Bring back Bidz!!! |
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Post by nohopspanther on Feb 13, 2012 20:16:38 GMT -6
OK, Here is a scenario: UWM loses its last 5 games, which would give them 7 losses in a row and a 15-17 record. Fire Jeter? This is a similar scenario to Pitt in '94. Paul Evan's team quit on him, and he lost something like his last 10 in a row. Pitt brought in Ralph Willard. How did that work out? It didn't. After success at WK and later at Holy Cross, Willard had 4 undistinguished years at Pitt. I hope we are not faced with the 15-17 decision. I hope Jeter wins his next 5 and we forget all this Fire Jeter nonsense. Yeah, the following Ben Howland and Jamie Dixon hires sure worked out poorly too, hey! |
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Post by The Green Gull on Feb 13, 2012 20:24:36 GMT -6
What about when Marquette University fired Mike Deane in 1999. At Marquette, Deane compiled a record of 100-55 and led Marquette to 20 win seasons 4 out of out of the 5 seasons, including 2 NCAA appearances in 5 years. But the Marquette administration, especially Bill Chords, saw more potential in their basketball program and had higher goals and results than what Deane’s teams were yielding. Chords saw the big picture and knew that the recruiting had been going down during Deane’s tenure and that the program was not trending in direction where he saw that program could be, and should be. In Deane’s last year at MU his team finished 14-15, and went 6-10 in conference. The coach Marquette hire after they fired Deane, was an upcoming young assistant from Michigan State named Tom Crean. Crean only led MU to a final four, the first since Al McGuire roamed the sidelines. Crean was also instrumental in raising the profile of the program as well as getting MU into the Big East. news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1842&dat=19990305&id=1mseAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cMkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2093,709238 If this program wants to take the next step, a new coach, with a new staff can come in here and build upon the foundation that Jeter and his predecessors have built here and take the program to greater heights. We need a head coach who is a program builder, a sales person, and an ambassador of the program to bring excitement back to both the program and our community. |
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 13, 2012 20:25:46 GMT -6
Hack: I have previously mentioned saying some stupid things after the YSU loss. AND, you brought up one of them!
There has been mention of UWM only scoring 50 points a game. Just watched Syracuse defeat Louisville 52-51. Fire Boeheim! Fire Pitino!
People in this area seem to have an obsession with Firing People. After the Rose Bowl about a third of the callers on the D-List wanted Bielema fired. Guy loses 2 regular season games in the last seconds and the Rose Bowl and a third of the people want him fired! Brilliant!!
After the year that the Packers started out 4-4 and had just lost to Tampa Bay a MAJORITY of the callers to Homer (ESPN540) wanted BOTH McCarthy and Ted Thompson fired , NO MATTER WHAT! How have the Packers done since that Tampa Bay Loss?
I grew up in Pittsburgh and after the Steeler's lost last year's SB, a Majority of the people responding to the Poll considered the season a success. Maybe that's why the Steelers have had 3 Head coaches since '69. How many coaches have the Packers had since Lombardi left? Think Joe Pa would have lasted 60 years in Madison!!? HA!!
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 13, 2012 20:28:27 GMT -6
nohopspanthers:
That was still 4 wasted years under Ralph Willard, when Paul Evans could have been winning Games, at Pitt.
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Post by nohopspanther on Feb 14, 2012 1:30:06 GMT -6
nohopspanthers: That was still 4 wasted years under Ralph Willard, when Paul Evans could have been winning Games, at Pitt. In other words, accept the status quo coach instead of chasing greatness, got it. There's a famous saying that deals directly with your line of thinking; You're either getting better or getting worse, there is no staying the same. In this case while the coach stays the same, the program is not getting better. |
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Post by jhart05 on Feb 14, 2012 1:38:08 GMT -6
I really couldn't care less what a Green Bay fan says or thinks about Jeter or our program.
Why? Go check out their board sometime and read what they write about us.
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 14, 2012 2:47:29 GMT -6
nohopspanthers:
Paul Evans was 147-98 in 8 years at Pitt for a .600 record. Ralph Willard was 63-82 in his 4 years at Pitt.
You decide to fire a winning coach, you better be SURE you have a more than adequate replacement. Ralph Willard deserved to be fired. Paul Evans didn't.
"We" are 15-12, now. Let's see where we stand at the END of the season before we talk about firing Rob Jeter.
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 14, 2012 2:57:37 GMT -6
Brian Wardle was 14-18 last year, and 10-14 so far this year. Who knows how much longer he will be at Green Bay? Granted he has at least 2 good recruits coming in (One from Onalaska, another from Racine), but he had better start winning or he isn't going to be up there long enough to Challenge Rob Jeter.
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 14, 2012 3:58:11 GMT -6
Nohopspanther:
":In other words, accept the status quo coach instead of chasing greatness, got it. There's a famous saying that deals directly with your line of thinking; You're either getting better or getting worse, there is no staying the same. In this case while the coach stays the same, the program is not getting better."
If you are playing winning Basketball that should be good enough. If we are below .500 for this year , AT THE END OF THE YEAR. I'll be glad to discuss coaching alternatives.
Go Rob Jeter. Go Milwaukee Panthers.
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 14, 2012 4:55:52 GMT -6
There are at least 2 separate schools here. There is the apologist for Jeter school , who claims none of this year's problems are Jeter's fault; injuries etc. are blamed. Hey injuries are part of the game. They are something you have to adjust to.
Then there is the school of thought that would want anyone not repeating Bruce Pearl's success to be fired.
I am in the middle (apparently). Has this been a disappointing year? Of course. Whose Fault is that disappointment? Jeter's (of course). Should Jeter be fired with a 15-12 record? Of course, not.
Are their coaches legitimately fired? Sure. An example would be at Georgetown. Jack Magee went from an NIT team to a 3-22 (or something like that) team in 2 years!! John Thompson came in the next season, brought his HS Seniors with him, and as they say the rest is History.
I was arguing with Andy Geiger, at MD, that Mark Duffner should have been fired year's before the next AD got rid of him.
But a coach with a winning record and without significant NCAA Violations (Don't know if Jeter has ANY) should not be fired.
Let's go, beat CSU tonight, win the rest of our schedule and forget about this Fire Jeter nonsense.
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