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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 13, 2012 14:54:41 GMT -6
It's really sad to see this team at least four times this season lose a heartbreaking game, to follow that up by laying an egg.
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Post by 2543nick on Feb 13, 2012 15:08:53 GMT -6
I think the problem is that we've got some people who are seeing scores and base everything they talk about off of that. They aren't posting recently, so I'm assuming they aren't aware of the injury situation. Let me break it down. Take the Sweet 16 team of 2004-05. Ed McCants, your best player, has bad knee tendonitis that not only slows him down for the latter half of January and the rest of the season, but he's actually limping and the right collision can cause him to miss much of the game. Imagine you put your small forward, Joah Tucker, on the opposing team's best player. He did a whole lot of high flying but has been hampered by leg injuries the last couple months that has severely limited his production, especially since he's asked to score in the post, slashing inside, and cover the best scorer. There's no time for a break, so he's especially ragged. Then your best post defender and scorer, Adrian Tigert, not only has a shoulder injury that he's still recovering from but a stress fracture in his foot that is really hampering for basketball players. On top of that, one of your best 3PT shooters, Boo Davis, missed the beginning of the season with a leg injury that only recently got to 100%, so he's still trying to find his consistent stroke from long range. Does that sound like a Sweet 16 team to you? Both teams healthy, the Sweet 16 beats this team by 10+ points. How many times would 2011-2012 turn the ball over vs. the 2004-2005 team's press? 2004-2005 is way more talented than 2011-2012. +1 This team is not even close to 04-05. |
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Feb 13, 2012 15:54:23 GMT -6
I don't know what is in store for the program at the end of this season, but this much I do know. If Jeter is the head coach next season, the style of play will be a lot different. Jordan Aaron running the point is significantly different than Kaylon Williams. Only Paris Gulley can tell you what the difference is exactly, but Jordan Aaron is a point guard that runs a "Run-and-Gun" type offense. I'm told to expect the defense to fall off a bit with Allen and Williams graduating, but expect the offense to pick up - Aaron doesn't wait around. As much as I'd like to believe this I can't. Rob is too stubborn and knows one style of play. One player is not going to change his whole offensive philosophy. No way. Plus he's not signed yet. I hope Jordan Aaron isn't watching these games or checking the box score. We're bound to scare him away. |
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Post by BBFran on Feb 13, 2012 16:14:38 GMT -6
Like the backup QB and the hotshot high school signee, there is no more magical mythical creature in sports than the next coach.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 16:51:17 GMT -6
BP said, "What are you talking about?"
I am referring more to lofty expectations. A big part is the unwarranted hype produced by fans and those outside the athletics department. Every year is suppose to be better or "the year." In reality its always just average.
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Post by MarkMiller on Feb 13, 2012 16:54:46 GMT -6
Rob Jeter has won 2 league titles in 7 years at Milwaukee. He is 69-50 in the Horizon League (.58 percent) heading into the game vs. Cleveland State.
He has finished at least .500 in league play five times and could make it six this season.
There is no obvious pattern of failure here that would even suggest the Milwaukee athletic department consider firing Jeter.
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Post by jhart05 on Feb 13, 2012 16:56:00 GMT -6
Like the backup QB and the hotshot high school signee, there is no more magical mythical creature in sports than the next coach. Be careful what you wish for. Well it's not like our current coach has ever won conference or taken us to the League Championship game. Oh wait ... |
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 13, 2012 17:16:35 GMT -6
Mark:
He's also been to only one NCAA Tournament (with his predecessor's players). After showing improvement every year since 2007, this season has been a major disappointment. I don't think he'll ever preside over a another 9-22 season, but I don't think we'll see any 25-5 seasons, either. He's coached long enough for people to assess what he is: a better than mediocre coach. Not a lot of risk, not a lot of reward. Some might find that acceptable. Is "safe" how you build support for a program and get a city buzzing like it did under a guy like Bruce Pearl? No.
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Post by loveyouso on Feb 13, 2012 17:43:04 GMT -6
UWM97:
"A Guy Like Bruce Pearl"!!
Is that really what you want "A Guy like Bruce Pearl"? A Guy who committed undetected NCAA violations EVEN while he was here. A Guy who was fired at TN, even after taking them to the Big Dance.
ALSO we are 15-12 not 7-20.
If people do not want to get excited about this team, that is THEIR Problem.
I have tickets for Tomorrow, Saturday sand at Loyola. If you won't be there that is YOUR Problem.
If you go to the Loyola Game, I will be the older fellow at the Bar (Hamilton's) with UWM gear on, and a cane.
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Post by The Green Gull on Feb 13, 2012 17:46:43 GMT -6
Rob Jeter has won 2 league titles in 7 years at Milwaukee. He is 69-50 in the Horizon League (.58 percent) heading into the game vs. Cleveland State. He has finished at least .500 in league play five times and could make it six this season. There is no obvious pattern of failure here that would even suggest the Milwaukee athletic department consider firing Jeter. Jeter won a conference title outright his first year as head coach. The team that year consisted of four returning starters from the team that made it to the sweet sixteen the previous season prior to Jeter’s arrival. It’s completely erroneous to use that title as evidence of his coaching abilities. My 88 year old grandma could have coached that team to the conference title in the 2005-2006 season. Last year Milwaukee had a three way tie for the conference title, finished 19-14 overall, and didn’t even make the NCAA tournament. It’s hard to view that year as overwhelmingly successful. Should being just over .500 in the Horizon League, a one bid league in most years, really be a valued goal. The goal should be winning conference titles and going to the NCAA’s and post season tournaments on a regular basis. Since the 2005-2006 season, Jeter has made 0 NCAA appearances, and just a single NIT appearance, which was a first round loss to Northwestern. I agree there is no pattern of failure, just a pattern of mediocrity and apathy. Jeter’s record since his second season, including this season, is 94-92 (89-92 against other NCAA Division 1 programs). |
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Post by Rawls on Feb 13, 2012 17:49:18 GMT -6
Like the backup QB and the hotshot high school signee, there is no more magical mythical creature in sports than the next coach. Be careful what you wish for. +1 |
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Post by GB BB is Back! on Feb 13, 2012 17:50:03 GMT -6
Rob Jeter’s record as head coach since his second season has been 94-92 (89-92 against other division 1 teams). This may be dumb-ass venting but to me this record seems pretty mediocre. We've been over this a million times before. When you are forced to build a program with Al Hanson, Nick Hansen, Derrick Wimmer, Steve Hoelzel, Michael Bendall, Luke Homan, and Myles McKay, that's akin to building from scratch. You can argue that Bruce didn't leave the cupboard bare all you want, but his departure did cause at least Ryan Childress to leave with him and hampered recruiting for the first year, as it is with every program. If you were a big Mike Dunlap fan, you have to admit that he would also have had to use a magic wand to keep the team at the level it was playing at or even close to it. If Bruce had stayed, he probably would have brought in a bunch of JUCO's to help the situation, but I don't think the 06-07 team would have beaten Butler or Wright State anyways. The excuse making for Jeter is lame. It doesn't take years to re-build. Nothing shows what a poor job Rob Jeter has done easier than a quick comparison to Tod Kowalczyk. Kowalczyk took over a last place team at Green Bay, with zero talent in the program. After just 1 year of re-building, Kowalczyk had the Phoenix in the conferences top three 6 times in his final 7 years. Along with that was a 100% graduation rate and 0 off the court incidents. Since Pearls Sweet 16 team graduated, Jeter is on track to finish outside the conferences top 3 for the 5th time in 6 years. Even worse, the program has been embarassed by numerous off the court incidents, academic suspensions, and poor graduation rate. In Milwaukee's lone good conference season with a Jeter recruited squad, the team still went just 5-8 in non-conference play, with an RPI of just 91. Stat guru Ken Pomroy ranked Milwaukee the nations 4th luckiest team, suggesting Jeter's only decent season with his players was a fluke. If the HL would have had a more effective tie-breaker, Milwaukee would have had only made the CBI. I don't think anyone here would call Kowalczyk a great coach, and Jeter couldn't even keep the program above his. Now Green Bay has went through another re-build under Wardle, and is positioned to blow past Milwaukee again next year, and become a mid-major power over the next 2 years. All while Jeter continues to spin his wheels despite a veteran roster. I'd love to see the Horizon League become a top 10 conference. However, I believe that will only happen if Milwaukee becomes a high quality program that wins big non-conference games. It has become abundantly clear that this will never happen under Rob Jeter. |
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Post by nohopspanther on Feb 13, 2012 17:53:03 GMT -6
GB is Back just hit a couple of grand slams to get right back in this thing, well done.
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 13, 2012 17:58:24 GMT -6
Enjoy the Cleveland St. game and the Bracketbuster; I also have season tickets but have missed games because my wife is due to give birth any day now.
But to answer your question: Yes, I'd like a coach with a personality and style of play closer to Pearl than Jeter. UWM doesn't have the advantage of being the only game in town, the entertainment dollar is stretched thin. Is going to 2/3 empty arena seeing a team walk the ball up the floor and score 50 points enticing the casual fan to come to games? Of course not. The head coach needs to be a salesman and anambassador. Jeter is a good man who is smart and runs a clean program. He's also not going to take this team anywhere close to the guy before him. This is acceptable to you but it's not to many longtime fans and alumni like myself and others.
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Post by mcdadenets50 on Feb 13, 2012 18:29:20 GMT -6
The excuse making for Jeter is lame. It doesn't take years to re-build. Nothing shows what a poor job Rob Jeter has done easier than a quick comparison to Tod Kowalczyk. Kowalczyk took over a last place team at Green Bay, with zero talent in the program. After just 1 year of re-building, Kowalczyk had the Phoenix in the conferences top three 6 times in his final 7 years. Along with that was a 100% graduation rate and 0 off the court incidents. The poor man's coach k... nothing to add. It just brings a smile to my face. The poor man. I just miss posting about that piece of work. |
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