Game 27- @Wright State

[uwm97]

Do you see this team improving or being better next season in terms of win/loss record?

[loveyouso]

uwm97:

First, How is your wife doing?
Second. I have absolutely no idea. I do expect UWGB to be improved, because of the two recruits that I saw play at the WBY Shootout. But maybe it will take them a year to adjust,
Not to be a smarty, but I am concerned about this year, and getting as many wins as possible. First lets beat CSU tonight. I hope you will be able to make it.

[Rawls]

Does anyone know Jeter's contract info? To me, that's crucial in contract talk.

[skrapheap]

Feb 14, 2012 14:01:02 GMT -6 Rawls said:

Does anyone know Jeter's contract info? To me, that's crucial in contract talk.

He makes too much money for the AD to be able to eat the rest of his contract, unless one of the folks in the Fire Jeter camp is someone with deep pockets who is willing to donate the costs to the department

[JG Panthers]

Feb 14, 2012 14:01:02 GMT -6 Rawls said:

Does anyone know Jeter's contract info? To me, that's crucial in contract talk.

He has 4 years remaining on his contract after the season is over that pays him roughly $1.644M over those 4 years. He's not going anywhere this year or next year, unless he decides to leave.

[BBFran]

This conversation is inane. College programs at the mid-major level have no ability to replace coaches in mid-contract who run a clean program and have shown they can win championships because they think someone else will do it more consistently. Where in the world would the money come from to do that? There's not a school in our league that could ever do that. There probably aren't three mid-majors in the country that could ever think of doing that. You can play pretend GM all you want, but this isn't pro sports, and it's not even a high major college program that has a guaranteed, significant revenue stream from TV contracts.

I lament the end of the era when college coaches were expected to and often did stay at one school for 10, 15, 20 years or more. When people understood the difference between college sports and pro sports, and no one forgot last year just because they were disappointed with last month. And where a good coach would be supported through a down year or two with confidence that he would bring things around.

The absolute best thing Rick could do for the program right now is to give Rob his vote of confidence and make it clear he will be here at least through the remainder of his contract, because that will reassure our recruits. And frankly, it's not only the right thing to do, it's the only thing he realistically can do -- unless one of you guys is sitting on a couple million that you can't figure out any way to spend except to give it to the program to fire Rob Jeter and hire the mythical next guy who obviously will take us to glory.

Anyone? Bueller?

Didn't think so.

[Hack]

Feb 14, 2012 15:36:13 GMT -6 BBFran said:

This conversation is inane. College programs at the mid-major level have no ability to replace coaches in mid-contract who run a clean program and have shown they can win championships because they think someone else will do it more consistently. Where in the world would the money come from to do that?

You don't need to read even beyond this. This hammers it home completely.

We live in a world filled with people who listen to too much sports talk radio or post/read too many JSOnline comments ... they think these things like firing coaches can be done in snap because the "big name" schools (with big $$$ boosters) and the pros (with big $$$ owners) are able to do that.

Get real, folks. Even if UWM were to lose the last five games of the season (which won't happen), Rob Jeter is the coach going into next season.

There's nothing to reassess. Not from a program that's already strapped for cash. Sorry, but that's the reality.

[jhart05]

But, Fran... if we could just get Pearl back, he'll take us to the tourney every year.

But, but, Fran... Who cares about last year That was a full 11 months ago. What has Jeter done for us in the past 24 hours?

But, but, but Fran... I don't like and don't understand his style of coaching. So that means he must be a bad coach. Hell I take the Panthers to the tourney every year in the PS3 game, it's not that hard.

[nohopspanther]

Here's a simple example that Fran, and several of you are shoveling crap for no reason about mid-majors being unable to fire coaches. Even better it involves a team that interviewed Jeter last year.

www.bradleybraves.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3400&ATCLID=205110518

I'll quote an excerpt: PEORIA, Ill. - Director of Athletics Dr. Michael Cross today announced that head men's basketball coach Jim Les has been released from his duties, effective immediately.
Les completed his ninth year as Bradley head coach with a final 154-140 (.524) record, including a 74-88 (.458) mark in Missouri Valley Conference games. He guided the Braves to four consecutive postseason appearances in the middle of his tenure, highlighted by a run to the 2006 NCAA Tournament Sweet 16.

[ghostofdylan]

I know nothing of this situation aside from the fact that Les, who subsequently sued the university, had three years left on his contract at between $500,000 and $600,000 per year.

Was there a deep-pocketed donor willing to shell out a small fortune to "fix" the problem? Did Bradley face anything close to the large budget deficit facing UWM?

[Rawls]

Feb 14, 2012 14:56:14 GMT -6 JG Panthers said:

Feb 14, 2012 14:01:02 GMT -6 Rawls said:

Does anyone know Jeter's contract info? To me, that's crucial in contract talk.

He has 4 years remaining on his contract after the season is over that pays him roughly $1.644M over those 4 years. He's not going anywhere this year or next year, unless he decides to leave.

Thanks, JG.

[Hack]

I'm not saying it's impossible for a mid-major to do this ... my thinking comes down to money.

With an average attendance of 7-8K and basically being the only game in Peoria, I'm fairly sure Bradley has a much stronger booster base willing to pony up to remove Les ... and Bradley is likely not in the same financial situation as UWM is.

Do we know how much Les had left on his contract?

EDIT: GoD answered this question ... and here's a lawsuit Les has filed against Bradley:
sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/news/story?id=6750688

[nohopspanther]

The reason UWM has no money is there is no excitement among donors and fans, that goes double for casual fans. That goes right to the heart of having Jeter coach and irresponsibly giving him annual rollovers for "recruiting." The only thing the school keeps doing is digging a bigger hole.

[BBFran]

If you think I'm wrong tell me where the money will come from. Identify the booster or boosters who not only have that money, but are willing to spend it for this purpose. How much can I put you down for? Don't bother to answer unless your contribution has at least 4 zeroes at the end (and before the decimal point).

Money for that purpose simply doesn't exist. No one who has money and is thinking of using it for the benefit of the program is thinking about anything other than new facilities.

[uwm97]

Feb 14, 2012 16:10:54 GMT -6 jhart05 said:

But, Fran... if we could just get Pearl back, he'll take us to the tourney every year.

But, but, Fran... Who cares about last year That was a full 11 months ago. What has Jeter done for us in the past 24 hours?

But, but, but Fran... I don't like and don't understand his style of coaching. So that means he must be a bad coach. Hell I take the Panthers to the tourney every year in the PS3 game, it's not that hard.

Pretty impressive use of straw men there, jhart. Well done!

Of course, the pathetic offense we've seen this year is an aggravating factor in what has people pissed off the most: this team has been an abject disappointment and is getting worse, not better. It has taken a step back and neither you nor anyone else can argue the contrary. And just because Jeter has a contract that ensures his employment next season doesn't mean he's done an acceptable coaching job this year. In the end, fans want to see this team win a HL Tournament once in a while. It's been six years and counting and not looking good this year either. But I guess that's perfectly acceptable when winning is a secondary priority to defending a coach.