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Post by gman2 on Jan 4, 2012 8:16:03 GMT -6
WMU took 9 three's the entire game. When you shoot that few threes it means you are doing something else and generally doing that something can lead to free throws. On the other hand when you jack 36 threes don't expect to go to the line, 9 free throws is about right.
I didn't put much importance into this game. We lost. Move on to the next game. UWGB will be tough. If not for close losses in Indiana, the Phoenix could be 4-0 in HL right now.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 4, 2012 9:10:52 GMT -6
WMU took 9 three's the entire game. When you shoot that few threes it means you are doing something else and generally doing that something can lead to free throws. On the other hand when you jack 36 threes don't expect to go to the line, 9 free throws is about right. My initial reaction was the same, gman. It is worthy of mention that Western Michigan was granted nine throws on three 3-point misses. Still, the Panthers clearly didn't do nearly enough good things on either end of the court to win this game. The better team won. Looks like the NCAAs or the CIT this season for Milwaukee. |
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Post by jhart05 on Jan 4, 2012 9:12:29 GMT -6
- This loss most likely cost us an NIT at large bid.
- I still wonder if we shouldn't have pushed the pace a little more. I wonder if we shouldn't do that more in every game. Press and trap a bit more. I think players like Gulley, Boga, Evan, and Ryan would benefit from the faster pace. Take the thinking out of the game for some of these guys and let them run loose. At least try it for 5 minute stretches. They sure aren't getting it done lately by trying to be spot up shooters. If you can get more shots up on the rim, missing 65% of them won't hurt as bad.
- Regarding Gulley. I did like what Chad said in the post game about him. Basically they told him to cut out the B.S. Just play defense and sit outside the 3-point line. If he does that, and stops thinking he can take the ball to the hoop, he'll be of use to the team.
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Post by PANTHERfan on Jan 4, 2012 9:25:08 GMT -6
It seems like every season under Jeter I find myself asking the same question around this time of year --- "What is our offense?" It's the swing, right? Or, maybe a modified swing? Or, maybe we're a penetrate and kick-out offense?
Once again, I'm baffled at what we're even attempting to run. Without an Anthony Hill-like player, we have very little post presence. Without multiple (consistent) shooters, we're not going to strike fear in many from beyond the arc.
The one identity that this team has established is one of consistently strong defensive efforts. When the team fails to live up to that end of the bargain, games like this happen.
So this Saturday, I expect to see stingy defense and probably some more head-slapping offense.
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Post by uwm97 on Jan 4, 2012 9:38:42 GMT -6
I think part of the reason this team doesn't take the ball to the basket is they suck at free throws once they get fouled. Having a PG who can't even hit 60% of his foul shots, in turn eliminating dribble penetration, is crushing. And when 3's aren't falling, you can't score. Forget about forcing tempo with a Rob Jeter team, it appears he is allergic to transition. So expect more of the same: passing the ball around for 30 seconds, throwing up a 3, and hoping it falls.
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Post by hippy on Jan 4, 2012 10:23:33 GMT -6
36 3pt shots??? So half of the points come on 3 pointers? Me, my 3 kids and my wife can pass the ball around and shoot 3 pointers. Way to go Jeter!
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Post by uwm97 on Jan 4, 2012 12:10:09 GMT -6
A big reason this team is shooting 40% on the season is one of the worst shooters on the team, Williams, has taken by far the most shots. And that isn't a good thing when he's shooting 40% overall and a meager 28% from 3. Not to mention his 49% free throw shooting. What this says to me is having an elite post player like Anthony Hill can make up for perimeter deficiencies. Haarsma works his ass off but Anthony Hill he is not.
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Rawls
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Everyone's Entitled To My Opinion
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Post by Rawls on Jan 4, 2012 15:54:42 GMT -6
Not sure why Shaq Boga hasn't been looked to more even just to give him a breaks and help him (Boga) get developed for later in the year and the future. It'll be interesting to see how he (Kaylon) handles the 2nd game of each conference weekend, especially on the road. Been wondering the same thing since the 2nd half vs Butler. Shaq has certainly seemed overwhelmed by the college game thus far, but he's not getting any better on the bench, and riding Kaylon to exhaustion isn't working either. This is the same Shaq Boga we were fawning over in the summer. Get him some minutes and get him accustomed to the speed and physicality of the game. Will he make mistakes? Sure. But Kaylon is prone to the same mistakes, especially when he's been out there all game long. I'll take Shaq making mistakes in the middle of the game and (hopefully) learning from them over Kaylon making the same mistakes in crunch time because he's exhausted. |
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Post by uwmfutbol on Jan 4, 2012 16:27:11 GMT -6
Queue the offensive identity crisis.
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Post by gman2 on Jan 4, 2012 18:47:34 GMT -6
Not sure why Shaq Boga hasn't been looked to more even just to give him a breaks and help him (Boga) get developed for later in the year and the future. It'll be interesting to see how he (Kaylon) handles the 2nd game of each conference weekend, especially on the road. Been wondering the same thing since the 2nd half vs Butler. Shaq has certainly seemed overwhelmed by the college game thus far, but he's not getting any better on the bench, and riding Kaylon to exhaustion isn't working either. This is the same Shaq Boga we were fawning over in the summer. Get him some minutes and get him accustomed to the speed and physicality of the game. Will he make mistakes? Sure. But Kaylon is prone to the same mistakes, especially when he's been out there all game long. I'll take Shaq making mistakes in the middle of the game and (hopefully) learning from them over Kaylon making the same mistakes in crunch time because he's exhausted. Wow this sounds vaguely familiar... |
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Post by skrapheap on Jan 5, 2012 9:07:44 GMT -6
Been wondering the same thing since the 2nd half vs Butler. Shaq has certainly seemed overwhelmed by the college game thus far, but he's not getting any better on the bench, and riding Kaylon to exhaustion isn't working either.
i'm sure Shaq is going through the same adjustment period. The adjustment from even high-level high school basketball to D1 basketball is a big one--that's why it's comparatively rare for freshmen to step into starting roles at the D1 level. If Shaq had already completed the adjustment, he'd be getting more minutes spelling Kaylon at the point. i'm sure we're all hoping Shaq is able to complete the transition soon and begin to help out more.
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Post by PantherU on Jan 6, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -6
Been wondering the same thing since the 2nd half vs Butler. Shaq has certainly seemed overwhelmed by the college game thus far, but he's not getting any better on the bench, and riding Kaylon to exhaustion isn't working either.
i'm sure Shaq is going through the same adjustment period. The adjustment from even high-level high school basketball to D1 basketball is a big one--that's why it's comparatively rare for freshmen to step into starting roles at the D1 level. If Shaq had already completed the adjustment, he'd be getting more minutes spelling Kaylon at the point. i'm sure we're all hoping Shaq is able to complete the transition soon and begin to help out more.
It's not an adjustment. It's building a point guard from scratch. Shaq's high school coach let him play however he wanted. He has all the tools in the world (except height), but he's not ready to go D-I and won't be ready to lead the team for at least the rest of this season. This is in stark contrast to Evan Richard, who had a wonderful coach at Cuba City in Jerry Petitgoue. You can already see how polished Evan is. That isn't to say he won't get better; just that his grace period of getting to D-I is a lot shorter than Shaq's is. |
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