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Post by DunneDeal on Dec 22, 2011 9:22:37 GMT -6
I say play them every year who cares about the deal we get. It's tough for a mid-major to scheduale anyone now a days and all this talk of 2 for 2's with MVC or Colonial schools is hopefull at best. Take the game, its cheap on travel and every couple of years we get a shot at our house.
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Post by gman2 on Dec 22, 2011 9:35:34 GMT -6
wow shocking, a thread about a MU/UWM game that has gone way off the rails.....  The thread is title "The Future of UW and MU." So any discussion related to the relationship with MU and UW is relevant, whether the game, the perceived treatment towards Milwaukee by MU and UW by the respective schools and their fan bases, or options for playing schools other than those mentioned in the thread title. |
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Post by Super King on Dec 22, 2011 9:55:18 GMT -6
I say play them every year who cares about the deal we get. It's tough for a mid-major to scheduale anyone now a days and all this talk of 2 for 2's with MVC or Colonial schools is hopefull at best. Take the game, its cheap on travel and every couple of years we get a shot at our house. It's also a good RPI builder, and Marquette can't exactly complain about the lack of competition given that their strength of schedule is currently 300+. So I don't get any of the gripes. |
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Post by dutchpthr on Dec 22, 2011 10:53:30 GMT -6
wow shocking, a thread about a MU/UWM game that has gone way off the rails..... The thread is title "The Future of UW and MU." So any discussion related to the relationship with MU and UW is relevant, whether the game, the perceived treatment towards Milwaukee by MU and UW by the respective schools and their fan bases, or options for playing schools other than those mentioned in the thread title. I understand that but this went from the first few pages of decent discussion about the orignal idea to a another pissing match bewteen some MU fans and some UWM fans and is longer on the orignal topic that was started, the way many, many, many other threads in which any type of game with MU and UWM is mentioned..... |
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Post by dutchpthr on Dec 22, 2011 10:55:25 GMT -6
Marquette has a national championship and we don't, so any time a Marquette fan takes extended time out of his life to defend his basketball program to us I roll my eyes so hard I think I see through time. could almost say the same about Loyola if that was the reasoning you wanted to use, since Loyola has a national championship also......yes i am being a touch sarcastic  |
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Post by Super King on Dec 22, 2011 11:22:34 GMT -6
Fifteen years ago the comparison would be more than apt, which just goes to show.
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Post by dutchpthr on Dec 22, 2011 11:24:40 GMT -6
Fifteen years ago the comparison would be more than apt, which just goes to show. touche sir |
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Post by Super King on Dec 22, 2011 12:15:48 GMT -6
It's the dirty little secret that Marquette fans will never admit to themselves: that they were once in our position. They've completely whitewashed their Conference USA days from the memory banks, let alone the fact that they were once awful in said conference.
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Post by uwmplanner on Dec 22, 2011 13:51:38 GMT -6
It's the dirty little secret that Marquette fans will never admit to themselves: that they were once in our position. They've completely whitewashed their Conference USA days from the memory banks, let alone the fact that they were once awful in said conference. To degree yes cause they were in mid major conference. But to a large extent no because the success they had with Al in the 70's. Milwaukee has been D1 for 20 years so they haven't built up the fanbase. We are still on our 1st generation of D1 basketball fans whereas MU is on there 3rd or 4th. Just out of curiosity how many posters on the board when to Panther games as a kid? |
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Post by BBFran on Dec 22, 2011 14:00:12 GMT -6
It's the dirty little secret that Marquette fans will never admit to themselves: that they were once in our position. They've completely whitewashed their Conference USA days from the memory banks, let alone the fact that they were once awful in said conference. Conference USA? You may not know this, but they were actually in OUR conference, when the Horizon was called the Midwestern Collegiate. We joined very shortly after they left. |
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Post by xtownfan on Dec 22, 2011 14:02:43 GMT -6
It's the dirty little secret that Marquette fans will never admit to themselves: that they were once in our position. They've completely whitewashed their Conference USA days from the memory banks, let alone the fact that they were once awful in said conference. Um, no. As has been explained, Marquette was never in UWM's position. Go back 15 years if you wish and you will find Marquette consistently making post-season appearances. Conference USA was far superior to the current Horizon League, regularly put teams in the top ten, several times had teams at #1, and of course was Marquette's home in 2003 when Marquette went to the Final Four. That team made the Marquette Athletic Hall of Fame, which is a long way from white-washing I would have to go back and check the exact years, but I believe that if you go back exactly the fifteen years you suggested earlier, you would find that Marquette finished second in the conference and was awarded a 4 seed. Even if you go back to the two years Marquette spent in what later became the Horizon League, (which is more like 20 years ago) you will find that the conference is nowhere near the same. The top five out of eight teams all left. The three teams left finished in the last three spots in the conference, and failed to win a game against anybody else. The current kings of the conference, Butler, went a collective 0-14 in the two years Marquette was in the league before leaving for greener pastures. And of course, attendance has already been discussed. UWM at its best has never approached Marquette at its worst. The suggestion that UWM is just like Marquette, just a couple years behind, is simply not true. Here's hoping you build a program that is that successful, but you have not come close to date. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 22, 2011 17:52:50 GMT -6
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Post by parkerj on Dec 22, 2011 19:51:41 GMT -6
haha...damn, these threads must be like mom & dad fighting to you |
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Post by crazyfred on Dec 23, 2011 0:23:46 GMT -6
It's the dirty little secret that Marquette fans will never admit to themselves: that they were once in our position. They've completely whitewashed their Conference USA days from the memory banks, let alone the fact that they were once awful in said conference. We don't white wash it at all. You need a history lesson apparently and a grasp at reality. When you get married to a hot woman do you continually talk about the so-so gal you were with 10 years ago? Of course not. You move one, you're in a better spot. You don't completely wipe her from your memory, but you aren't talking about it. Marquette was an independent and looking for a conference. They had fallen on tough times and joined the Midwestern Collegiate Conference. Three years later, they were gone and already moving up in the world, forming the charter membership of the Great Midwest Conference. If you are trying to compare the Horizon of today to the MCC of back then, you are mistaken. Almost all of the prestigious programs back then left. Xavier..gone. Marquette..gone. Notre Dame..gone. St. Lous..gone. Dayton..gone. All went on to much bigger and better places as a conference. They then became charter members of Conference USA which actually sent more teams to the dance than the Big Ten did on at least one occasion. Hardly a white washing of the CUSA days, that conference with Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati, Charlotte, UAB, etc, was loaded. Most of them left, it's not the C-USA of today. Then they joined the Big East, and despite predictions here and by Becky fans that MU would fall on their butts, they have made the NCAA tournament every year since joining that conference. So yes, MU was in the MCC which later became the Horizon. UW-M joined in 1994. MU decided to move up in the world and the college basketball world also wanted them to move up. This is the reality that you and others ignore. Though MU had fallen on tough times, their pedigree, history of winning, etc, bought them equity which they used to get the program back to a top 25 caliber program, which is where they sit today. UW-M isn't there. Doesn't mean you can't get there, but you have to do it over a long period of time. It happens. Look at Boise State in football, it can be done. Butler in hoops. Gonzaga in hoops. It can be done, but it is difficult. 39-0 |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 23, 2011 2:47:09 GMT -6
This is something I take issue with. This is what I think.
If Marquette wants to count all of the games when Milwaukee was the Wisconsin State Teachers College or the Milwaukee Normal School, then Milwaukee should get to count its games against the Marquette Dental College.
So if it's 39-0, it's more like 45-3.
If you're more inclined to talk up the undefeated mark, then it should be 10-0, since that is the record played while both teams are D-I.
You beat the Panthers when we were an NAIA team? Big f***in deal. I'd be embarrassed to include those in our number.
I've heard about how this 39-0 is second only to Colgate's ineptitude against Syracuse, which now sits at 45-0. Here's the thing, though. Colgate was a D-I school THE ENTIRE TIME they've played Syracuse.
Hanging your hat on 39-0 is like celebrating beating an intramural team 29 times. Be a f***in man and call it 10-0. That preserves your precious undefeated record, and unlike the number you trot out, actually counts the games when we were a "real" program in D-I.
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