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Post by crazyfred on Sept 14, 2011 23:24:39 GMT -6
I voted Marquette because that way the game has a chance to sell out
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Post by uwmbacker24 on Sept 15, 2011 6:45:16 GMT -6
I voted for Marquette, I hate those spoiled rich scum bags Ah yes, the spoiled, rich scum bags. The ones where 87% are receiving financial aid because they aren't spoiled or rich. Those? We just making up stats now? |
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Post by PantherU on Sept 15, 2011 9:20:08 GMT -6
I voted Marquette because that way the game has a chance to sell out 7,120 was a sell out for us? Your fan base was oh-so-great that they couldn't walk across the street to catch that game. The crowd was easily 85-15 Milwaukee fans. And don't give me the single-game ticket sale trash - MU still rang the bell when they finally went on sale, and few answered. On a good note, your rebuttal to UWMBacker24 isn't just whistling dixie - the EOP program at Marquette helped a couple friends of mine get into MU who otherwise would not have been able to afford the school, and I'm glad they got to the university they wanted - but I don't know where you got the 87%. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that usually when someone makes statements challenging other people on this board, we cite our sources so we don't get called out on it. So please, share a link. I voted other because, really, we haven't played Marquette or Wisconsin until at least the tail end of November, and Green Bay and Butler are conference teams. |
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Post by coogles on Sept 15, 2011 9:44:31 GMT -6
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Post by brewcityitalian on Sept 15, 2011 9:46:48 GMT -6
We talked with Costello Tuesday night
right now the arena is having a study done, which is in month 3 of 6 right now
looking at a location south of Klotschke
Also, they want a new baseball stadium
and D1 football by 2018 maybe
interesting convo with Mr. Costello
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Post by uwmplanner on Sept 15, 2011 10:55:32 GMT -6
Great to hear that the arena study is moving along.
IMO Unless a big time donor forks over alot of cash football makes little sense to me because it will just be a drain to the pocketbook of the department. Build an an arena, generate more revenues, then look at football down the road if the department is profitable.
Also if they add football what womens sports with the add to be in compliance with title IX?
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Post by xtownfan on Sept 15, 2011 11:04:06 GMT -6
I voted Marquette because that way the game has a chance to sell out 7,120 was a sell out for us? Your fan base was oh-so-great that they couldn't walk across the street to catch that game. The crowd was easily 85-15 Milwaukee fans. And don't give me the single-game ticket sale trash - MU still rang the bell when they finally went on sale, and few answered. On a good note, your rebuttal to UWMBacker24 isn't just whistling dixie - the EOP program at Marquette helped a couple friends of mine get into MU who otherwise would not have been able to afford the school, and I'm glad they got to the university they wanted - but I don't know where you got the 87%. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that usually when someone makes statements challenging other people on this board, we cite our sources so we don't get called out on it. So please, share a link. I voted other because, really, we haven't played Marquette or Wisconsin until at least the tail end of November, and Green Bay and Butler are conference teams. Try a little reality here, son. 15% of the crowd at the MU-UWM game last year would have been about 1000 fans. There were more than that in the upper reaches of the East side of the arena. The total was a whole lot closer to 50-50. There were entire rows of fans in blue and gold, and the place was pretty noisy when DJO lit you guys up in the first half. I doubt it was UWM fans applauding his performance, as impressive as it was. As for the Marquette attendance, I will take the 3000 or so fans who showed up. It is a fact that lots of Marquette fans tried to buy tickets well before the game, but UWM was only selling them in 4-packs, and hardly any Marquette fans wanted to show up to watch UWM play Cleveland State. That was not a bad strategy on UWM's part. Marquette did the same thing for the first game when the series resumed, but the difference was that many more Marquette fans were willing to buy tickets to see UWM plus three Big East games. When UWM finally made single tickets available, lots of Marquette fans had given up, especially since the game was held Thanksgiving weekend, which kind of wipes out student sales, and doesn't help for alumni. You can question all those factors if you want, but the fact is, Marquette regularly draws more fans than that to games at DePaul, which requires a bit more effort than walking across the street. But all that aside, this is the thing Marquette fans have found so annoying about this series. This was your big chance. The game you have been begging for, demanding for years. The game that "600,000 college basketball fans in Wisconsin want to see." This was bound to be a sell-out, since UWM brought "at least 8,000 fans" to the first game of the series at Marquette a few years back, right? Hell, you even had a couple of Marquette alums giving away free t-shirts to your fans, (though some advice for the future - dressing fans in black in a dark arena does not make them intimidating. It makes them invisible) and you still couldn't sell the place out. And the reason is that Marquette fans didn't show up in sufficient numbers? Marquette didn't promote the game? Marquette fans were unwilling to return to a place where their team won a national championship? Here's reality. We're pretty proud of that national championship, but it happened before much of the Marquette fan-base was born. The team hasn't played regularly in the Arena for twenty years, and those who remember when it did recall something that few UWM fans have ever discovered - that when the place is full, the concession stands are jammed, you have to stand in line for twenty minutes to pee, and you can hardly move in the hallways. No, Marquette did not promote the game, and why should it? Marquette got no money out of the game. This was a road game. It was somebody else's problem. Of course, the team appreciated the heavy turn-out of Marquette fans, and for RPI purposes, it is nice to get credit for a road game where you do not actually have to go anywhere. But this was UWM's game to promote. The results were disappointing. Maybe that four-pack idea was a good one, maybe not. But it was UWM's call to make and job to do. And that gets to what is most annoying about this series. Marquette has a salable product. Marquette has a national reputation. Marquette has a long and proud history. Marquette annually sells more season tickets than UWM can fit in its arena. UWM draws about a quarter or less of what Marquette does to a typical game. UWM, after clamoring for years about how much they wanted this game, how much they deserved this game, how much the basketball fans of Wisconsin demanded this game, couldn't fill their arena, about half the size of the Bradley Center, when they finally got it. But UWM fans expect their program to be treated as an equal, or damn near it. And they expect Marquette and its fans to support their program because - umm, well, just because. I hope you guys have success. I hope you build a nice on-campus arena, which will probably be much smaller than the current one. You would probably have a better chance of filling that and building a real home-court advantage. I wish you success. Hell, if you want to start a football program, I think that's crazy, but hey, good luck. But quit asking the other guys to build your program for you, and complaining when the don't want o. |
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Post by uwmplanner on Sept 15, 2011 12:05:44 GMT -6
Not sure where you read that Black Panther wanted MU to build our program. I read that he was disappointed more MU fans didn't show up.
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Post by xtownfan on Sept 15, 2011 12:39:37 GMT -6
Not sure where you read that Black Panther wanted MU to build our program. I read that he was disappointed more MU fans didn't show up. I do not know why disappointment is in order, in light of the poor job UWM did attracting Marquette fans. They made it difficult enough to get tickets that lots of Marquette fans just gave up. Maybe that is not such a bad thing if the idea was to make sure that the game did not turn into a de facto road game. Do you gripe about other teams not bringing fans to games at your place? For most teams for most games, visiting fans are irrelevant. If anything, teams would just prefer they stay away. Nobody wants their home court taken over by the other team. If the crowd was disappointing, doesn't that say more about UWM fans, who didn't show up to support their team in a game they had been demanding for years? And if UWM wanted Marquette fans to be there, don't you suppose it should have marketed tickets to Marquette fans, rather than selling them in four-packs, and waiting until shortly before a holiday weekend to sell individual game tickets? If the game was not a sell-out, that is the fault of UWM. Don't blame the other team because you didn't get the crowd you would have preferred. Go sell tickets to your own fans. Don't complain that the other guys didn't buy enough of them. As soon as the game was over, people here were posting and complaining that Marquette did nothing to promote the game, that the game wasn't a sell-out as expected, that Marquette fans would not even go across the street to see a game in a stadium where their team played when it won a national championship, etc. As it was, for your biggest non-conference game of the year, and arguably your biggest home game of the year, your team drew about what it normally does for any other game, then about doubled it with fans cheering for the other team (the "at least 85-15%" figure is about the dumbest thing I have ever read) and you are still complaining that the other guys didn't buy enough tickets. That's pretty sad. |
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Post by BBFran on Sept 15, 2011 13:12:57 GMT -6
God almighty, this malevolent dwarf infests every message board he posts on. Please ignore him, people. He's been thrown off both Wisconsin boards. (Multiple times, in fact, because of his puerile aliases.) Hell, he's been thrown off both Marquette boards already. That should tell you something.
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Post by hippy on Sept 15, 2011 13:13:03 GMT -6
Wyoming
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Post by PantherU on Sept 15, 2011 18:00:15 GMT -6
Hippy: "What kind of night life you got in Laramie?" Concierge: "Uh, we got a Wal-mart." |
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Post by PantherU on Sept 15, 2011 18:11:52 GMT -6
The point I was making was that after all we hear from you, in every incarnation of your screen name, is that Marquette's big, bad fan base was worth so much more than ours, that I was disappointed when I thought your people would come over and fill the place. I was wrong. You didn't fill the place. Neither did we, but as you so love to point out to us, that was to be expected - we're so low, but this game last fall was really a reminder to me as to the fact that even in this town, you're such a far, distant second to Bucky that it's got to eat at you inside.
Just kidding. But I was surprised there weren't more fans in the building, particularly MU fans.
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Post by Pantherholic on Sept 15, 2011 20:25:04 GMT -6
"Yes" would've been the easier and quicker answer. |
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Post by xtownfan on Sept 15, 2011 20:36:34 GMT -6
The point I was making was that after all we hear from you, in every incarnation of your screen name, is that Marquette's big, bad fan base was worth so much more than ours, that I was disappointed when I thought your people would come over and fill the place. I was wrong. You didn't fill the place. Neither did we, but as you so love to point out to us, that was to be expected - we're so low, but this game last fall was really a reminder to me as to the fact that even in this town, you're such a far, distant second to Bucky that it's got to eat at you inside. Just kidding. But I was surprised there weren't more fans in the building, particularly MU fans. Yes, so was I. But that really was a function of how UWM tried to sell tickets. Again, I do not take issue with what they did. If they had thrown open single-game tickets from the beginning, it is likely that Marquette fans would have dominated. There certainly were Marquette fans who tried to get tickets early, did not want to buy the 4-packs, and gave up and made other plans before single game tickets became available. I was surprised that UWM did not do more to get fans to the game. I am not sure if the t-shirt idea was the athletic department's or the boosters who did it, but it showed some effort. Students already got in for free. I am not sure exactly what else UWM did or could have done to get more of their own fans into the game. The color guard made up of students from both schools was a nice touch. Hey, it is tough to build a program. Good luck with that. Seriously. I would not invite Marquette or Wisconsin to open your arena, as it should be an occasion to boost your own fan base. But the results put the lie to the argument that this is a great game for everybody, that everybody wants and that everybody benefits from. UWM has a whole lot more to gain from this series than Marquette, or UW for that matter, do. |
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