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Post by Super King on Apr 16, 2011 17:22:14 GMT -6
His record may not be the greatest but when you look at his 2nd and 3rd year to me looking back are his best coached years. Because he made major changes to his program and won games in the league with young talent and didnt sway from his plan. He could have tried to get a quick fix in but he didnt he wanted to do things the right way. He took a kid like ricky that was not a college qualifier and got him to finish. He took Ant and made him a all league player. Now he had some moments that where lows but he never went away from his plan and I respect that. Who made major changes to the program? RJ?? You must not have been around when Ryan took the program over from Rick Cobb. I like RJ......but I don't think he made any major changes to the basketball program at UWM. He changed the reputation of underhandedness that Pearl had earned. |
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Post by pantherfan24 on Apr 16, 2011 17:47:49 GMT -6
Are you saying that RJ didnt change the program? He totally changed it the team has won three straight community service awards under RJ. Under pearl zero. So id say he changed the total culture of the program. Brought in guys that are not only are players but good people. Jeter has had 20 scholar athletes in seven years 3 community awards and no off court issues. He did this with 3 AD's 2 chancellors and no support from within. So id like to think he totally changed the program.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 16, 2011 17:52:05 GMT -6
Again, there are many layers to this apparent courtship of our coach.
I would echo much of what's been said by K-Raw, 97 and JG: Rob has shown growth in terms of his ability to recruit, form a team and inspire it and has made steady annual progress as it pertains to league standing (from 6 to 9 to 11 to 12 to 14 wins against league opponents).
While he's posted a record of 18 games above .500 in league play over the last six seasons, he's gone six games under .500 against non-conference opponents. This has been a source of much consternation for the fan base. Since his first year, the program's best non-league victory was over RPI No. 98 Bradley in 2008 and its best victory in an MTE was over No. 243 Texas State-San Marcos in 2009.
So it really has been a bit of a mixed bag in terms of on-court performance.
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Post by pantherfan24 on Apr 16, 2011 18:12:20 GMT -6
We also have had to play buy games in non conference. Which makes it a lot harder to have a great record in non conference. This year we had to play three buy games with Wisconsin, Marq, and Depaul. In miami they are the ones that buy teams like milwaukee to beat up on pre conference. I think it speaks volumes about our coach having a 18 game above .500 record in conference with 0 buy games in pre season.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 16, 2011 18:16:52 GMT -6
We also have had to play buy games in non conference. Which makes it a lot harder to have a great record in non conference. This year we had to play three buy games with Wisconsin, Marq, and Depaul. In miami they are the ones that buy teams like milwaukee to beat up on pre conference. I think it speaks volumes about our coach having a 18 game above .500 record in conference with 0 buy games in pre season. Let's just say that I wholeheartedly disagree with the content of the above post on many levels. Let me add that I hope Rob decides to stay for continuity's sake. |
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Post by kaygee on Apr 16, 2011 18:16:40 GMT -6
Are you saying that RJ didnt change the program? He totally changed it the team has won three straight community service awards under RJ. Under pearl zero. So id say he changed the total culture of the program. Brought in guys that are not only are players but good people. Jeter has had 20 scholar athletes in seven years 3 community awards and no off court issues. He did this with 3 AD's 2 chancellors and no support from within. So id like to think he totally changed the program. I think Rob has done a great job, but to say there has been no off the court issues is incorrect. |
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Post by pantherfan24 on Apr 16, 2011 18:22:00 GMT -6
What do you disagree with that we have to play buy games and that at miami they buy games or that if you look at Robs conference record up against the big boys he is in a better position. Bo and buzz both go into conference seven or eight games above .500 and end up with 19 or 20 wins Rob has gone into conference a game or two within .500 so what is it that you disagree with?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Apr 16, 2011 19:14:33 GMT -6
I'm going to answer your question with another question:
Money notwithstanding, which program is currently in better shape: Milwaukee, which has been a D-1 member since 1990 and has an all-time NCAA tournament record of 3-3, or Miami, which has been in D-1 continuously since 1985 and has an all-time NCAA tournament record of 4-6?
Or to perhaps put it better: which program has the better pathway to the NCAA tournament? The best (actually, second-best) team in the Horizon or the eighth-best team in the ACC.
You want a challenge: Miami is 44-68 since joining the ACC in 2004-05. Yikes!
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Post by pantherfan24 on Apr 16, 2011 19:49:44 GMT -6
Miami has been in the dumps and it is a challenge but what I think we all know that if your a coach and you have a chance to coach in the ACC or the horizon league which you would chose. I am sure that people co argue either side. The point I was trying to make was that people should not be shocked that an ACC team wants our coach. For that exact reason. Because we do have a good coach and the nature of the business is that HM will go after a winning MM coach.
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Post by Hack on Apr 16, 2011 20:32:53 GMT -6
This thread makes my head hurt.
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Post by gman2 on Apr 16, 2011 21:29:38 GMT -6
Miami has been in the dumps and it is a challenge but what I think we all know that if your a coach and you have a chance to coach in the ACC or the horizon league which you would chose. I am sure that people co argue either side. The point I was trying to make was that people should not be shocked that an ACC team wants our coach. For that exact reason. Because we do have a good coach and the nature of the business is that HM will go after a winning MM coach. Not only coaching in the ACC, but a school which recently built a new on campus arena and new practice facility. On campus arena for Milwaukee is many years away. I go back to comfort versus risk. As long as important big money contributors back and support Jeter, does Jeter want to give up the comfort of long term happiness at UWM versus the risk and big rewards at Miami. Jeter should have a discussion with Todd Lickliter before making a decision. I won't be surprised if Jeter chooses the comfort of UWM. |
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Post by teddyp00 on Apr 17, 2011 7:45:39 GMT -6
Its amazing how wrapped up everyone has gotten over interest Jeter has gotten from other programs this off season. This is just part of the business and to some extent this is the way the world works for many jobs. Moving is just a way of getting ahead and to try and be one step ahead of fickle fans.
Not sure how comfortable Jeter really is here because it was just 12 months ago everyone here was saying how he had to fight for anything and everything and even with the new AD those memories dont just go away.
If he stays great but if he goes then best of luck to him. I never would have thought Pearl was going to have the success he had at TN so Jeter could do the same at Miami. The only major concern I have is the loss of recruits we will suffer if he were to leave.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Apr 17, 2011 8:10:38 GMT -6
It comes down to anyone moving to a different job, is the grass greener on the other side.
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Post by kaygee on Apr 17, 2011 8:45:52 GMT -6
Not only coaching in the ACC, but a school which recently built a new on campus arena and new practice facility. On campus arena for Milwaukee is many years away. I go back to comfort versus risk. As long as important big money contributors back and support Jeter, does Jeter want to give up the comfort of long term happiness at UWM versus the risk and big rewards at Miami. Jeter should have a discussion with Todd Lickliter before making a decision. I won't be surprised if Jeter chooses the comfort of UWM. Why would he discuss it with Todd Lickliter. His situation at Iowa is nothing like the situation at Miami. Iowa is a horrible job. Miami could be a great job for the right coach. They are willing to pay a good salary. They are in the ACC. They have great new facilities. They are in a great city that should be easy to entice kids to come visit. I don't think Jeter is the right coach for the job, but it is a potentially very good job. Why is Iowa a horrible job? |
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Post by gman2 on Apr 17, 2011 9:42:59 GMT -6
Not only coaching in the ACC, but a school which recently built a new on campus arena and new practice facility. On campus arena for Milwaukee is many years away. I go back to comfort versus risk. As long as important big money contributors back and support Jeter, does Jeter want to give up the comfort of long term happiness at UWM versus the risk and big rewards at Miami. Jeter should have a discussion with Todd Lickliter before making a decision. I won't be surprised if Jeter chooses the comfort of UWM. Why would he discuss it with Todd Lickliter. His situation at Iowa is nothing like the situation at Miami. Iowa is a horrible job. Miami could be a great job for the right coach. They are willing to pay a good salary. They are in the ACC. They have great new facilities. They are in a great city that should be easy to entice kids to come visit. I don't think Jeter is the right coach for the job, but it is a potentially very good job. Miami reportedly offered Amaker $1.1M per year, at Iowa Lickliter made 1.2M per year. So Miami's salary would be even with Iowa. Yes, Miami is in the ACC, but Iowa in the Big Ten. As far as Licklier, I wasn't saying Jeter literally discuss with him. For Lickliter, how green the grass now? Lickliter took Butler to two sweet sixteen appearances and it was under his watch that Howard, Mack, Hayward and Nored were recruited. Lickliter could have stayed at Butler, continued to succeed and likely would have been in a comfortable situation for a very long time. As far as coaching opportunities, what does he have now? Comfort and security are also large motivating factors, which Jeter currently has. |
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