Fire Rob Jeter....NOW

[uwm97]

Kramer, what the hell are you talking about?

[PantherLou]

Dec 21, 2010 11:15:15 GMT -6 ghostofdylan said:

"Well, what do you want me to say!? That things haven’t worked out the way that I’ve planned? That I’m struggling, barely able to keep my head above water? That L.A.’s a cold place even in the middle of summer? That it’s a lonely place even when you’re stuck in traffic on the Hollywood freeway? That I’m no better than the screenwriter driving a cab, the starlet turning tricks, the producer in a house he can’t afford? Is that what you want me to say!?"

We should just shut down the message board. This is the BEST POST EVER.[/u]

Seriously, its not worth even trying to top it. Well done, dr. Well done indeed.

;D

[Deleted]

This (annually recurring) thread may turn out to be a wise urgent call for needed change. Or it may turn out to be a lot of nonsense. This season has not turned out the way we hoped so far (neither has Butler's... or Detroit's for that matter).

I'm tired of talking positivity to a void, and I'm tired of being one of the only supporters and believers in a sea of negativity (thanks for standing with me Super King). This board was fun to participate in for a time.

But it's time to move on and become a passive D-Board viewer and non-contributer (I do enjoy the posts that aren't sarcastic swipes at the program for everything from a recruit that got into hot water 3 years ago to ripping on Jeter for not being Bruce Pearl 5.0). Some find it funny, and sure it's free speech. But how much does it help when all you do every single day is rip on the team and the program and never acknowledge the improvements or small victories?

Have any of the free-wheeling sarcasm slingers (who aren't D-I vets) ever seriously thought about how hard it is to compete and consistently win in D-I Men's basketball? It's no excuse that we are 6-7 at this point in the season and some of our losses have been embarrassing. But at 6-7 we somehow "totally suck" and our post-season chances in a wide-open 1-bid conference are a lost cause??? C'mon now.

I hope a few of you keep up with my blog. I'll continue that for the foreseeable future. But the tenor of this D-Board has become way, way too negative for me to bear. I am not suggesting a D-Board should be a non-stop pep rally, but when all I have read for the past month has been negative garbage and knee-jerk reactions to adversity even High-Major programs routinely encounter- and deal with, it's a signal that enough is enough.

Continuing my participation in this interesting (but IMO rapidly deteriorating) running discussion is pointless. Many here have most definitely taken leave of their senses. Or maybe sense or "reality" (we are not MU or UW or '04-'05 UWM) was never there in the first place (or has been absent since March of 2005).

In my disappointment, I decided to read a few other D-Boards of Mid-Major teams with semi-recent success (SIU, Wichita State, Bradley, George Mason, VCU, among a few others) and realized, this board is by far the most snide, negative, sarcastic and hilariously pompous board of teams in that category. It's not as if every once-successful Mid-Major program's fan base acts like this.

Are you kidding me? Reading through the posts here in the past 3-4 weeks you would think we are coming off of a Final 4 appearance, were ranked Preseason Top 25, and are somehow "the biggest FAILure of all" at 1-11.

When I write (on MPT or on here as I have in the past) I think we'll go 2X-X and at least reach the HL Semi's I am reaching for the stars- not trying to set expectations. I'm an optimist- that's the kind of thing people like me think about. But to say a team that is 6-7 (1-1) is on the edge of sinking into the abyss and a long period of obscurity and that the coach and coaching staff are an embarrassment... well let's leave that for the season to decide.

It was a blast to chat with y'all for 4 years (I was previously uwmpanther2005 from 2006-2007). I'll keep up with the D-Board from time to time. But please, do realize that your "support" (ie. mocking of the "boring" and un-watch-worthy Panthers while you go to a f'n Bucks game on the same night as a Panther home game) is obviously conditional.

I'm sorry if I offended those of you who scoff at what might seem like an attempt to make some kind of "statement" or grand exit. That wasn't my point. I just wanted to get out one last post. One last cry for sanity restoration. It surely failed for 99% of you. But if just a couple Panther fans hear me on this, it was a worthwhile (if not brief) exit.

GO PANTHERS. Prove these naysayers wrong.

[uwmfutbol]

Dec 21, 2010 20:26:47 GMT -6 @victorpanther said:

This (annually recurring) thread may turn out to be a wise urgent call for needed change. Or it may turn out to be a lot of nonsense. This season has not turned out the way we hoped so far (neither has Butler's... or Detroit's for that matter).

I'm tired of talking positivity to a void, and I'm tired of being one of the only supporters and believers in a sea of negativity (thanks for standing with me Super King). This board was fun to participate in for a time.

But it's time to move on and become a passive D-Board viewer and non-contributer (I do enjoy the posts that aren't sarcastic swipes at the program for everything from a recruit that got into hot water 3 years ago to ripping on Jeter for not being Bruce Pearl 5.0). Some find it funny, and sure it's free speech. But how much does it help when all you do every single day is rip on the team and the program and never acknowledge the improvements or small victories?

Have any of the free-wheeling sarcasm slingers (who aren't D-I vets) ever seriously thought about how hard it is to compete and consistently win in D-I Men's basketball? It's no excuse that we are 6-7 at this point in the season and some of our losses have been embarrassing. But at 6-7 we somehow "totally suck" and our post-season chances in a wide-open 1-bid conference are a lost cause??? C'mon now.

I hope a few of you keep up with my blog. I'll continue that for the foreseeable future. But the tenor of this D-Board has become way, way too negative for me to bear. I am not suggesting a D-Board should be a non-stop pep rally, but when all I have read for the past month has been negative garbage and knee-jerk reactions to adversity even High-Major programs routinely encounter- and deal with, it's a signal that enough is enough.

Continuing my participation in this interesting (but IMO rapidly deteriorating) running discussion is pointless. Many here have most definitely taken leave of their senses. Or maybe sense or "reality" (we are not MU or UW or '04-'05 UWM) was never there in the first place (or has been absent since March of 2005).

In my disappointment, I decided to read a few other D-Boards of Mid-Major teams with semi-recent success (SIU, Wichita State, Bradley, George Mason, VCU, among a few others) and realized, this board is by far the most snide, negative, sarcastic and hilariously pompous board of teams in that category. It's not as if every once-successful Mid-Major program's fan base acts like this.

Are you kidding me? Reading through the posts here in the past 3-4 weeks you would think we are coming off of a Final 4 appearance, were ranked Preseason Top 25, and are somehow "the biggest FAILure of all" at 1-11.

When I write (on MPT or on here as I have in the past) I think we'll go 2X-X and at least reach the HL Semi's I am reaching for the stars- not trying to set expectations. I'm an optimist- that's the kind of thing people like me think about. But to say a team that is 6-7 (1-1) is on the edge of sinking into the abyss and a long period of obscurity and that the coach and coaching staff are an embarrassment... well let's leave that for the season to decide.

It was a blast to chat with y'all for 4 years (I was previously uwmpanther2005 from 2006-2007). I'll keep up with the D-Board from time to time. But please, do realize that your "support" (ie. mocking of the "boring" and un-watch-worthy Panthers while you go to a f'n Bucks game on the same night as a Panther home game) is obviously conditional.

I'm sorry if I offended those of you who scoff at what might seem like an attempt to make some kind of "statement" or grand exit. That wasn't my point. I just wanted to get out one last post. One last cry for sanity restoration. It surely failed for 99% of you. But if just a couple Panther fans hear me on this, it was a worthwhile (if not brief) exit.

GO PANTHERS. Prove these naysayers wrong.

Godspeed, little doodle.

[Rawls]

Thanks, victor. Lots of truth in there. This sentence just made me want to reach through the screen and shake your hand.

"But please, do realize that your "support" (ie. mocking of the "boring" and un-watch-worthy Panthers while you go to a f'n Bucks game on the same night as a Panther home game) is obviously conditional."

We all love this team. Maybe even more than we should. But hopefully some will take the time to read through what you've written, resist the urge to get defensive, and rally behind our Panthers.

[BBFran]

Hang in there victorpanther. I understand the frustration people feel but I will never, ever understand sports "fans" who turn into whining crybabies when things are going badly for the teams they purport to love.

But some people are negative by nature and some people are positive. You're one of the good guys. I'll see you at the games, and I know we'll continue to enjoy the games and the young guys who play them for our entertainment, whatever the outcome.

[buppie05]

IMO the last thing we need on this board is more Debbie Downers. Our support of the panthers should be unconditional, but our support of Rob doesn't have to be. I realize the season is early, and could easily be turned around, but as mentioned in the "The Trend" thread, we've been to this rodeo before. Lets say we do rally in the Horizon tournament and win, making the NCAA tournament, We'd obviously be thrilled as a fan base. The reality however, is we would still be a 15 seed playing a San Diego St or Pitt, because this team was once again borderline dysfunctional in the early season (outside of Niagara, UNI, SDSU and a half vs Marquette). I don't expect them to be in the top 25 at this point, but if they play in league games like they did against BGSU we will get housed nightly, and that was a home game against a very poor team.

Expectations are a powerful thing. Maybe other mid-major programs aren't as hard on their programs, but we aren't like other mid-majors, we need to have a winning product. Unlike other programs, we have an NBA program and a Major college program to compete with, and unlike others, we don't have a football or a hockey team to fall back on. Maybe if we were like Boston U and had 2,000 people at our basketball games, yet 15,000 at our hockey games, we could afford to have less than stellar basketball results. We aren't BU or Bradley or anyone else. This basketball team is in every way the biggest representative of Milwaukee athletics, and as many people have mentioned, athletics is a key way in advancing a universities brand and appeal. (not to mention financial support) The university has accepted this to some extent, they pay our coach 400k+, amongst the highest salary in the horizon. IMO the expectation should be to compete for the horizon league title every season, and by that standard this regime has fallen incredibly short.

This thread is different than previous fire Rob Jeter threads, this is a call to action to get this done now (albeit a weak one). It brings to light the implicit costs to the university for having the basketball team struggle (yes we're struggling), instead of just focusing on the explicit costs of having this done. I would hate to call for anyone's job, but Rob will be just fine, and he was fortunate to have this opportunity in the first place.

I understand why posters like bbfran, BPUWM, and Victor ect. have stayed away from commenting on this thread. You support coach through thick and thin, and I admire you for it, even though I don't feel the same way.

One party that shouldn't have to suffer is the players. I'll go watch every game I can to support these guys, and encourage future panthers to come here because you will be appreciate. People have been very harsh on certain players at times, and all that does is get me more heated at coach. A certain player was chastised for getting lit up in the first half against Marquette. Was it his fault he was playing man on an older and quicker player? Was it his fault he didn't know where his help was coming from? Who knows what the result of the game would have been if we would have adjusted quicker to what appeared to be a bad strategy from the onset.

I support this team. I bring as many people as I can, and its burned me a few times this year. I had several friends at the CSU game, one of which had to drive 2 hours to watch that drivel. I enjoy reading pantheru and the panther tracks blog. I like the positivity before going to panther games. I will continue to read the panther tracks blog if I can, but sadly the only way I know how to get there is by the signature at the bottom of victor panthers posts.

[yuhayden]

A melodrama, in the broadest sense, is a serious drama that can be distinguished from tragedy by the fact that it is open to having a happy ending. In practice, it is a rather pejorative term. In melodrama there is constructed a world of heightened emotion, stock characters and a hero who rights the disturbance to the balance of good and evil in a moral universe. The term literally means "music drama", with music was used to increase the emotional response or to suggest characters. There is a neat structure or formula to melodrama: A villain poses a threat, the hero escapes the threat (or rescues the heroine) and there is a happy ending.

[easy]

Dec 21, 2010 20:26:47 GMT -6 @victorpanther said:

This (annually recurring) thread may turn out to be a wise urgent call for needed change. Or it may turn out to be a lot of nonsense. This season has not turned out the way we hoped so far (neither has Butler's... or Detroit's for that matter).

I'm tired of talking positivity to a void, and I'm tired of being one of the only supporters and believers in a sea of negativity (thanks for standing with me Super King). This board was fun to participate in for a time.

But it's time to move on and become a passive D-Board viewer and non-contributer (I do enjoy the posts that aren't sarcastic swipes at the program for everything from a recruit that got into hot water 3 years ago to ripping on Jeter for not being Bruce Pearl 5.0). Some find it funny, and sure it's free speech. But how much does it help when all you do every single day is rip on the team and the program and never acknowledge the improvements or small victories?

Have any of the free-wheeling sarcasm slingers (who aren't D-I vets) ever seriously thought about how hard it is to compete and consistently win in D-I Men's basketball? It's no excuse that we are 6-7 at this point in the season and some of our losses have been embarrassing. But at 6-7 we somehow "totally suck" and our post-season chances in a wide-open 1-bid conference are a lost cause??? C'mon now.

I hope a few of you keep up with my blog. I'll continue that for the foreseeable future. But the tenor of this D-Board has become way, way too negative for me to bear. I am not suggesting a D-Board should be a non-stop pep rally, but when all I have read for the past month has been negative garbage and knee-jerk reactions to adversity even High-Major programs routinely encounter- and deal with, it's a signal that enough is enough.

Continuing my participation in this interesting (but IMO rapidly deteriorating) running discussion is pointless. Many here have most definitely taken leave of their senses. Or maybe sense or "reality" (we are not MU or UW or '04-'05 UWM) was never there in the first place (or has been absent since March of 2005).

In my disappointment, I decided to read a few other D-Boards of Mid-Major teams with semi-recent success (SIU, Wichita State, Bradley, George Mason, VCU, among a few others) and realized, this board is by far the most snide, negative, sarcastic and hilariously pompous board of teams in that category. It's not as if every once-successful Mid-Major program's fan base acts like this.

Are you kidding me? Reading through the posts here in the past 3-4 weeks you would think we are coming off of a Final 4 appearance, were ranked Preseason Top 25, and are somehow "the biggest FAILure of all" at 1-11.

When I write (on MPT or on here as I have in the past) I think we'll go 2X-X and at least reach the HL Semi's I am reaching for the stars- not trying to set expectations. I'm an optimist- that's the kind of thing people like me think about. But to say a team that is 6-7 (1-1) is on the edge of sinking into the abyss and a long period of obscurity and that the coach and coaching staff are an embarrassment... well let's leave that for the season to decide.

It was a blast to chat with y'all for 4 years (I was previously uwmpanther2005 from 2006-2007). I'll keep up with the D-Board from time to time. But please, do realize that your "support" (ie. mocking of the "boring" and un-watch-worthy Panthers while you go to a f'n Bucks game on the same night as a Panther home game) is obviously conditional.

I'm sorry if I offended those of you who scoff at what might seem like an attempt to make some kind of "statement" or grand exit. That wasn't my point. I just wanted to get out one last post. One last cry for sanity restoration. It surely failed for 99% of you. But if just a couple Panther fans hear me on this, it was a worthwhile (if not brief) exit.

GO PANTHERS. Prove these naysayers wrong.

[PantherU]

I don't think anyone here (except eddiec, BigD and other posters from other schools) doesn't support the Black and Gold.

Just to go out of our way to post on here is proof that we care, that the colors run through our veins. Everyone here wants the Panthers to do well, whether Jeter is the coach or not. I don't think anyone here would root openly against Jeter's team so he gets fired; if they are, they can get the f*** out.

That doesn't mean they can't question his tactics, his recruiting or even whether or not he should be the coach.

The reason you don't find me on this thread so much is that I'm having trouble finding ways to defend the coaching job this season. Obviously there are things going wrong. Are they terminable offenses? It's not my decision to make, nor do I think I could make that decision if it were. What I do know is that the donors will not be jumping on board to fire coach Jeter, as firing him means you owe him 2.4 million dollars for the rest of his contract.

At the end of the day, what I can do is hope for the best, offer my support and continue to bleed Black and Gold. b****ing and moaning isn't going to get me anywhere, so I'm not going to do it.

I'm sorry to see victorpanther quit the board. There have been people on both sides of the Jeter fence who have done so.

Part of the reason is that people take things so personally, and sometimes people are too personal in their attacks. I would hope, moving forward, that people are more mindful of their words and be more respectful so we avoid other people quitting the board. I don't want to start a new forum; this one has a large following and everyone gets a fair say. But at the end of the day, a lot of people are just so angry, so full of vitriol, that we're alienating fans, and at this size we can't afford to do that. I don't want anyone to feel like they're not welcome, not even Maverick.

[uwm97]

This board is tame compared to some I've seen. I see a lot of attacks on positions people hold, but isn't that the point of a "discussion" board? I haven't seen much in the way of personal attacks at all. I'll direct you to the Brewers board on Sportsbubbler, where personal attacks are the norm, if they think this board is too "negative.". For the number of people who post here, this place is very civil.

[milwsport]

I'm sorry t o see Victor go as well, but I hope he understands that a number of us have consistently defended Jeter over the years (including me) but are coming to the end of their tether. Should he be fired right now? Obviously not. The chaos that would cause would be unbelievable.

I think the proper time t o have that discussion is at the end of the season. It does no
good right now and it could lend fuel to fires that can burn the team.

I agree with Victor that there is way too much negativity here. I hope he realizes however, that the bad attitude is fueled not by what's going on this year, but what's been going on for the last five years. We do have better recruiting now but we have not seen better results, performance, attendance or any other sign of eventual success in the effort to become a mid-major powerhouse.

Many of us who've consistently defended RJ (including myself) are growing weary of seeing the same season played out over and over again. I'm not saying he should be fired but if we don't at least make the HL finals, he shouldn't be rewarded with another contract extension either.

[thepantherfan]

WAR VICTORPANTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[duck]

Yes, fire Rob Jeter NOW.

[PantherU]

Jan 3, 2011 23:57:31 GMT -6 duck said:

Yes, fire Rob Jeter NOW.

THEY SHOULD HAVE WON BY 25!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH