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Post by buppie05 on Dec 8, 2010 21:59:17 GMT -6
If no one else has the gumption to do it, ill start this thread. I know that we made the hire of Rob based on the assumption that he would grow as a coach and maintain a winning culture in Milwaukee in COMING YEARS. It has been several years and I don't see Rob growing with the program, I see his players giving up on him. If the Dallas Cowboys and Minnesota Vikings have taught us anything, its fire the coach, who's players have given up, before its not too late!
We pay him the 2nd most of any horizon league school. This isn't fair to the other universities that can't afford to pay better coaches the same wage and respect that Jeter now receives.
I don't want to lose JJ or Shaq more than the next guy, but I have a feeling Jeter couldn't be competitive with Blake Griffin playing center, and Jimmer Freddette and steph curry as the starting guards.
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Post by Super King on Dec 8, 2010 22:44:29 GMT -6
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Post by Pantherholic on Dec 8, 2010 22:44:29 GMT -6
If the Dallas Cowboys and Minnesota Vikings have taught us anything, its fire the coach, who's players have given up, before its not too late! Not too late? The Vikes were 3-7 and all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Even with the last two wins they're 3 games out of 2nd place AND lose the tiebreaker. The Cowboys were 1-7 when Wade got fired and are still 4 games out of first place. Before its too late? How long of a season do you think a NFL season is? I keep asking the question and will continue until someone comes up with a practical answer - How are we going to pay for Jeter and his staff's contracts along with another coaching staff's simultaneously? |
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Post by nohopspanther on Dec 8, 2010 23:09:37 GMT -6
I'd like to enter this post as previous evidence of my stance.
Re: New Coach
« Reply #48 on Mar 7, 2010, 7:13pm »
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Rawls
Junior
Everyone's Entitled To My Opinion
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Post by Rawls on Dec 8, 2010 23:44:23 GMT -6
The end of the season is one thing. If he's canned now one of the assistant's will take over, and do we really see one of them turning this thing around? Not to mention the contract buy out on an Athletic Department that is already financially strapped (putting it mildly). Jeter has improved every year since he got his own recruits in. Give him at the very least the chance to do that.
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Post by maverick on Dec 9, 2010 3:02:20 GMT -6
I've been saying fire Jeter for seveal years now and has fell on deaf ears. Plus the huge amount of criticism I took because my stance. He should have never been hired here. How does one become a head DIV-1 coach at a program at the top of its game with virtually no head coaching experience. There was no performance eval to base a hiring decision on. Then Bud sunk us into the abyss with year after year extending Jeter's contract for what reason I am amiss. It's not like we were #1 in the conference. Its not like we were getting at large bids into the Big Show. Enough said...
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Post by buppie05 on Dec 9, 2010 7:09:03 GMT -6
Ok... Looks like I was pretty tipsy last night, and I appear to have also been outraged lol.
The following statement "Jeter couldn't win with Blake Griffen at center and Jimmer Fredette and Steph Curry as the guards" was harsh and a little unreasonable to say. That being said, a lot of what I said makes sense.
I can see why maverick can say that Jeter should have never been hired, and I felt the same way. We had a recipe for success, bringing in a coach that has had success at a smaller school and level. We went away from that.
The scary thing for me, is that it seems as though last year was the pinnacle. We had a .500 season 2 years ago ( A season in which our best player rode the pine half the year. How could he overlook Marcus Skinner, a grinder with height and athleticism and TALENT. Too bad my time machines on the fritz or else I go back and tell Rob "HEY that athletic 6'9 kid with hustle and game should probably be getting some PT on a .500 horizon team.) I digress. Then last season we finish 20-14 in a year we play the likes of SIU edwardsville, several low majors and non D1 teams (not to mention a down year in the horizon) And now it seems like were in a rebuilding year again, and everything is gonna be aces next year, right?
Listen I can handle losing and a fair amount of disappointment, but one thing that can't be tolerated is a team giving up on their coach. These last two games I've seen the guys not giving it their all for their coach. Why else would Rob put in Christian Wolf for the first time all year in a 10 point game? Rob appears to be grasping for straws and if he has lost part of his team, than what other options have we got.
I guess the thread should have said, "Fire Rob Jeter?....Now? IMO there needs to be at least a "come to Jesus" talk with him about why these kids aren't competing more.
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Post by Hack on Dec 9, 2010 7:16:11 GMT -6
IMO there needs to be at least a "come to Jesus" talk with him about why these kids aren't competing more. That's fine and dandy, but who's going to play the role of Jesus? Holic is right ... he won't be going anywhere anytime soon, not with that contract in place and not without a permanent AD in place. |
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Post by buppie05 on Dec 9, 2010 7:30:07 GMT -6
IMO there needs to be at least a "come to Jesus" talk with him about why these kids aren't competing more. That's fine and dandy, but who's going to play the role of Jesus? Holic is right ... he won't be going anywhere anytime soon, not with that contract in place and not without a permanent AD in place. With Jeter's comments in the Journal, it seems hes well aware of this too. His excuses don't even make sense anymore. A trip to Italy and 10 games later, and you don't have a solid rotation because, "You've played in too many difficult venues to figure it out". His job's so concrete he doesn't even need to come up with a legitimate excuse anymore. |
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Post by TBone on Dec 9, 2010 11:36:09 GMT -6
I've been more of a lurker lately, but this statement is completely false:
Rob was the coach the year after Bruce Pearl left, won the conference tournament and won a game in the NCAA tournament.
Having said that, it is pretty disheartening to see this team where it is each year.
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Post by hoops on Dec 9, 2010 11:45:51 GMT -6
There are donors who would pay to get rid of Rob. They were there last year, they will be there again if the season continues this way.
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Post by PantherU on Dec 9, 2010 12:07:40 GMT -6
Just in case anyone is wondering, Jeter's contract is 411k per year through 2015-16. There is no buyout clause in his contract, so he would be owed the remainder of his contract.
That's $2.055 million, plus a prorated portion of his contract this year through June 1 or July 1st (I can't remember which month, as if it matters).
Sit tight, because the program's biggest donors aren't going to bankroll that.
Nothing is going to change at the head coaching position for at least a couple years. I'm not saying that in defense of Jeter - personally, I feel his career here is salvageable but it doesn't look that way today - but before you guys continue this conversation, you have to move forward knowing that the title of this thread is not going to happen.
So, my challenge to the board would be to move the conversation away from firing Rob Jeter to posing the question, "How can the situation around him improve?" and doing your best to answer that question.
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Post by Hack on Dec 9, 2010 12:08:47 GMT -6
Just in case anyone is wondering, Jeter's contract is 411k per year through 2015-16. There is no buyout clause in his contract, so he would be owed the remainder of his contract. Thanks Bud. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 9, 2010 12:25:00 GMT -6
I know you are right, but how do you know that Jeter's contract is through 2015-16?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2010 12:37:59 GMT -6
Just in case anyone is wondering, Jeter's contract is 411k per year through 2015-16. There is no buyout clause in his contract, so he would be owed the remainder of his contract. That's $2.055 million, plus a prorated portion of his contract this year through June 1 or July 1st (I can't remember which month, as if it matters). Sit tight, because the program's biggest donors aren't going to bankroll that. Nothing is going to change at the head coaching position for at least a couple years. I'm not saying that in defense of Jeter - personally, I feel his career here is salvageable but it doesn't look that way today - but before you guys continue this conversation, you have to move forward knowing that the title of this thread is not going to happen. So, my challenge to the board would be to move the conversation away from firing Rob Jeter to posing the question, "How can the situation around him improve?" and doing your best to answer that question. Thank You. We are not Kentucky. We are Milwaukee. Whether Bud made a bad decision to give Jeter such a long contract is a moot point for the reasons described above. Butler may very well not even reach the Big Dance after reaching the Championship Game last season. I'm glad SOMETHING has riled up our die-hards, but I just wish this wasn't that something... Every year we hope that we'll tear through non-con and every year we (except last season with a good team and some cupcake non-cons) are disappointed and say that it's all Jeter's fault that we aren't the second-coming of '09-'10 Butler. We complained about the D-II's and got a tougher non-con schedule, and we haven't been been able to prove we are up to the challenge yet. But the experience against an all D-I non-con slate will pay off. Things are going to turn around soon. Remember the '08 Wyoming trip before/after? We (4-6, 0-1) are in a ditch, not a hole we can't dig ourselves out of. These next two games would give us a huge boost going into non-con (EDIT) conference and I expect us to win both (yes, even after last night's excuse for a basketball game). Once the Horizon League games start in earnest, that's when we'll know if we have any shot at doing well in the Horizon League Tourney. You guys do realize you are backing the Incredible Hulk into the corner. That might turn out to be a very good thing.. Want to know a big reason last night sucked so bad? Kaylon (early turnovers), Tone (was it the early air mailed 3?) and Ant (turning the refs against him early with complaints) took themselves out of last night's game. At least that's what I saw. Those 3's shortcomings infected the entire team and likely Jeter. That can't happen anymore if we want to compete. It was a snowball effect (what's troubling us all is that this happened vs. Portland, WMU, and CSU as well). I'm going out on a limb to predict those three guys will not play anywhere near as bad as they last night against the likes of Loyola, Green Bay, UIC, etc. At least never all 3 at once like last night. This team (coaches and players) needs to find itself, find the free throw line in between practices and find a rhythm that will win games. I still think there is ample time for this to happen. I thought this Johnny Cash lyric fitting to our current slump: "Hey, get rhythm when you get the blues Come on, get rhythm when you get the blues Get a rock 'n' roll feelin' in your bones Put taps on your toes and get gone Get rhythm when you get the blues" s0.ilike.com/play#Johnny+Cash:Get+Rhythm:31225:s311642.8164384.2233175.0.1.82%2Cstd_135fa1c12e66c5bca76d71b9dd57e2a2 |
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