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Post by buppie05 on Nov 29, 2010 19:58:22 GMT -6
I think Marquette students are a good mix (about 50/50) of assholes and quality people. Likely has something to do with half their students being from Chicago Suburbs
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Post by duck on Nov 29, 2010 19:58:39 GMT -6
Ah! So you're saying that scheduling appearances in early season tournaments lets you play big-time programs to bolster your RPI without sacrificing home games or playing in hostile road environments? Who knew? God forbid you give up a game against the vaunted Centenary Gentlemen to play a Big 12 team. Or Longwood, whose name is a dick jokeWoe is Marquette, and it's all UWM's fault. If UWM is willing to play each time at the Bradley Center (like Longwood, Centenary, etc) it would not be an issue. Keep the series going, that way Marquette doesn't have to give up an out of conference game. If UWM insists that a game be played at UWM (which Longwood, Centenary, Prairie View, etc, do not) then you are putting a burden on Marquette. It's only UWM's fault because they want a game at UWM. If UWM doesn't, then by all means let MU and UWM sign a 50 year deal. |
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Post by Super King on Nov 29, 2010 20:11:21 GMT -6
A burden to go across the street and play in a building dripping with Marquette history that you could easily fill halfway with Marquette fans?
What a burden
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Post by gman2 on Nov 29, 2010 20:17:53 GMT -6
You lost to Gonzaga (I am convinced they are the Boise St of D-1) and that can't help. If by the Boise State-Gonzaga comparison you mean programs: = that have patiently and methodically built themselves into being well respected and highly regarded = in which the coaches have demonstrated an ability to take lesser talent and get the most out of it (there is a reason Chris Petersen is a two time Bear Bryant Coach of the year recipient) = that could compete in the top third of the BCS conferences and in some years are better than the best teams in the BCS conferences = that have set a standard for other programs to attain If that's what you meant, I would agree. |
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Post by gman2 on Nov 29, 2010 20:22:33 GMT -6
If MU were clever, they could market a retro night at the Arena. Call themselves the Warriors for a game, wear the light blue uniforms, find a native American student to perform the war dance (I don't mean that in a demeaning way, I always thought that was a cool part of the MU games) and have fun with it.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Nov 29, 2010 20:24:28 GMT -6
They would, of course, first have to change out the floor, but if they can afford to stay in a Milwaukee hotel overnight ...
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Post by xtownfan on Nov 29, 2010 20:32:22 GMT -6
A burden to go across the street and play in a building dripping with Marquette history that you could easily fill halfway with Marquette fans? What a burdenAs has been explained many times, MONEY! Giving up a home game costs Marquette significant money. Doesn't matter if they fill the place. That money ends up going to UWM. Yes, Marquette could make a big production out of it and turn it into a throw-back game. Marquette has no interest in doing so. Similarly, playing in exempt tournaments early in the season allows Marquette to play quality non-conference opponents without giving up a home game. Go back through the years and look at who those opponents are. Duke, Gonzaga, Florida State, Xavier, Michigan in the last two years. All of those are more attractive from a publicity and RPI standpoint than UWM. Just the way it is. And regular road games against UWM means giving up a road game against somebody else. This year it is Vanderbilt, a much better opponent than UWM. That is what is at issue here. Once again, if the athletic departments can get it to work, good for them. From the Marquette perspective, it has to benefit Marquette, not just be a good idea in general, or something the other side would love to see. You guys consistently miss the point here. |
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Post by Super King on Nov 29, 2010 20:36:20 GMT -6
Marquette has the largest basketball budget in the Big East, need you be reminded.
And Marquette would have just filled this road game with another team from another conference. No money saved. No difference at all. Except maybe Marquette would have lost that game.
And I don't understand at all how you can talk about the quality of the opponent that you would have faced opposed to a team that only lost to you by one possession.
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Post by gman2 on Nov 29, 2010 20:40:30 GMT -6
A burden to go across the street and play in a building dripping with Marquette history that you could easily fill halfway with Marquette fans? What a burdenAs has been explained many times, MONEY! Giving up a home game costs Marquette significant money. Doesn't matter if they fill the place. That money ends up going to UWM. Yes, Marquette could make a big production out of it and turn it into a throw-back game. Marquette has no interest in doing so. I take it you mean the university and basketball program have no interest, because I know MU fans that would love to see an event like this. I understand what you are saying. I really don't give a rats a$$ whether or not we play MU or UW for that matter. I would rather develop series with good mid majors like Northern Iowa or try to get series against high mid majors like Xavier. |
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Post by xtownfan on Nov 29, 2010 21:02:17 GMT -6
As has been explained many times, MONEY! Giving up a home game costs Marquette significant money. Doesn't matter if they fill the place. That money ends up going to UWM. Yes, Marquette could make a big production out of it and turn it into a throw-back game. Marquette has no interest in doing so. I take it you mean the university and basketball program have no interest, because I know MU fans that would love to see an event like this. I understand what you are saying. I really don't give a rats a$$ whether or not we play MU or UW for that matter. I would rather develop series with good mid majors like Northern Iowa or try to get series against high mid majors like Xavier. And you should. If you can get regular series going against the likes of Northern Iowa, it would be great for your program. You got one. I do not see you starting one against the likes of Xavier, but good luck if you can. However, giving up games against Marquette and UW is not in the cards. They are the best opponents UWM has, the only major conference teams on the schedule, and big draws when you get them at home. The point is, your program ought to do what is best for your program and cut the best deals it can. So should other programs. Like Marquette. |
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Post by xtownfan on Nov 29, 2010 21:17:22 GMT -6
Marquette has the largest basketball budget in the Big East, need you be reminded. And Marquette would have just filled this road game with another team from another conference. No money saved. No difference at all. Except maybe Marquette would have lost that game. And I don't understand at all how you can talk about the quality of the opponent that you would have faced opposed to a team that only lost to you by one possession. Marquette has a very large basketball budget. No question. Whether it is the largest in the Big East or not depends on how you do the accounting. As a non-football school, much of the cost of the athletic department is allocated to the men's basketball team. Much of it would exist with or without men's basketball, but Marquette would not be spending at the same level, as it would have less money to spend. At football schools, much of the same type of expenses, like upkeep on athletic facilities or pay for strength and conditioning coaches, is attributed to the football team. But as noted, no matter how you cut it, Marquette has a big budget, much larger than a place like UWM's. Now, how is this relevant? If anything, it is an argument for Marquette to make as much off its men's basketball program as it can, not an argument for making financially dubious scheduling decisions. As for replacing the UWM road game with someone else, Marquette is not going to replace the game with another Horizon League team. In the past few years, that slot has been filled with teams like Arizona when they were ranked in the top 5, NC State the last few years, Nebraska, and a few others. Marquette lost both ends of a home-and-home with Arizona. That did much more for Marquette in terms of RPI, national publicity, and the like than a win over UWM. In those two years, UWM's RPI was terrible. This year, it is probably going to be around the middle of the pack, somewhere over 100. or well behind most major conference teams. And nobody outside of Southeast Wisconsin paid any attention to this game. Nebraska and NC State are not the top teams in their leagues, but they are better for RPI and better known than UWM. Every now and then, somebody here reminds everybody that Butler is in your conference. Great. Run the table in your conference a few times. Make the tournament eight years in a row or so. Make a couple consecutive Sweet Sixteens. Get seeded #5 or better. Make it to the championship game. Put players in the NBA. You'll have major conference teams calling you, too. Until then, being in the same conference as Buter doesn't make UWM all that attractive. |
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Post by gman2 on Nov 29, 2010 21:21:13 GMT -6
I guess it depends on how one views things.
Unlikely we get anything better than a 4-1 from MU or UW. So in a five year period we host two games and get maybe have 18000-20000 in total attendance. We likely lose those games, so what have we gained (edit) except for the money from playing them on the road.
Instead get a some 1-1 series with some MVC schools that would allow for easy travel. Northern Iowa and Southern Illinois are respected opponents. Maybe look to do this with Bradley and Illinois State also. Or try for a series against SLU. We would host five games in the five year period. Attendance would probably be a wash with the MU and UW series. This though would give use more exposure in the MVC should we one day consider wanting to change conferences.
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 30, 2010 0:04:33 GMT -6
I just like how with each MU fan it comes down to MONEY...not a good game every year, a game everyone in Milwaukee could go to if they wanted.
Nope all you care about is money, not like MU is hurting at all.
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Post by buppie05 on Nov 30, 2010 0:38:49 GMT -6
I thought we could have gotten a home and home with Nebraska but we didn't want the RPI hit. ;D
Seriously though, we did schedule two big east schools this year, sadly one game will be against a RPI 200+ team.
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Post by xtownfan on Nov 30, 2010 1:47:44 GMT -6
I just like how with each MU fan it comes down to MONEY...not a good game every year, a game everyone in Milwaukee could go to if they wanted. Nope all you care about is money, not like MU is hurting at all. If you don't think money is a factor, you are delusional. You will recall that when this contract was signed, your AD held it up for a while publicly complaining that UWM wasn't making enough. Of course money is a factor. It is a factor for both sides. And unfortunately, it is not a good game every year. In the ten years or so it has been played, it has been a good game ONCE. The rest were rather boring blow-outs. And despite predictions to the contrary, everyone in Milwaukee could come to the games if they wanted to, but they don't want to. That is the trouble here. Many UWM fans are seeing this series not for what it is, but for what they wish it was. I do not know what the future is going to hold for this series, but the two institutions will presumably make the decisions that best benefit their respective programs. If UWM can't stomach another 4-1 deal, perhaps it will be a 3-1 instead, or some other arrangement will be made. Most Marquette fans do not think a 2-1 deal is a good one. Or perhaps the programs just will not be able to work it out. Hey, if your team can fill your non-conference schedule with the likes of the better teams in the MVC on a one-and-one basis, go for it. I do not know what your deal is with DePaul, other than you play there this year. But I expect your athletic department will do the best it can. So will Marquette's. |
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