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Post by lashmo on Nov 29, 2010 16:21:13 GMT -6
Xtownfan I would like to ask you since you have expert knowledge on MU- what effect would a UWM win over MU have on your recruiting since both share the same city? Is it fair to say that it would definitely not be good. If Jeter is rebuilding UWM and the future is truly brighter and MU shoots out of it's mind in the first half Saturday to win by 3 why on earth would MU want to continue to play UWM. You lost to Gonzaga (I am convinced they are the Boise St of D-1) and that can't help. You have nothing to offer the Big East. TCU has a respectable basketball AND football program. My how you MU fans think your program is so much more than it is. PARITY will soon push you back over the edge into mediocrity (I believe this has happened and you don't know it) Until then schedule patsy non-conference games with a couple named schools sprinkled in where a loss (in your own minds) is ok. I for one hope they don't ever play UWM again. A successful D-1 coach named Larry(Last name will not be given) told me never to venture to these blog boards as they are perpetuated by non-athletic wanna-bes that have never played sports or coached. I don't believe that is 100% true but he has given me an image of what hides behind the name xtownfan.
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 29, 2010 16:27:54 GMT -6
Thank you for your response. And I will write a more substantive post as to your points later, but I just want to make one thing clear. I do not come from MUScoop (or the Jersey Shore of MU message boards as I've heard it called). I post on the MarquetteHoops.com site only. It's a great site for a lot of reasons, one of which is that Chicos isn't allowed there, lol. By the way, I did far too many question and answer in my post lol. Sorry! |
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 29, 2010 16:33:51 GMT -6
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Post by duck on Nov 29, 2010 16:36:15 GMT -6
muwarrior2007, Unlike some, I don't believe your "UW-M" snafu was intentional. I believe it's from spending so much time around guys like ChicosBailBonds on your board. Do you think there are UWM fans here that do the same type of thing? Do you think there are UW fans that do the same type of thing? Examples a plenty. However, I do see logic for a 3 for 1. Would I like to get a 2 for 1? You bet... but for some fans to completely dismiss being able to play a road game in Milwaukee is nuts. I've heard and read a number of people say that they genuinely enjoyed a game in the old MECCA. Is this a reason for MU to do it? Not necessarily... but I don't see a reason to schedule Prairie View A&M, do you? I understand that some Marquette fans don't see a reason why you should play us...and I get it... Why play them when they could, one day, beat us and ruin that perfect record. What would that logic be? It certainly has nothing to do with preserving the record. Who cares if it's 30 to zero or 80 to zero. The logic that you propose seems to benefit one entity, UWM. The reason why it benefits MU to play Prairie View over UWM is simple. NO RETURN GAME. That's the entire point of a buy game, you don't have to return it. MU plays only a certain number of out of conference away games each year. By tying one up with UWM and UWGB every few years, you limit Marquette's ability to play an attractive non conference game home and away. |
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Post by Super King on Nov 29, 2010 16:42:52 GMT -6
Nonsense. Not including UWM and UWGB, Marquette plays seven mid-major opponents this year. You can't free up two of those games to play a quality major conference opponent? Please. Hell, this year UWM tied up Marquette's nonconference schedule so severely that Marquette managed to play the #1 team in the nation. How terrible for Marquette! You're right, the series must stop. Marquette simply can't schedule quality opponents with UWM on their schedule.
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 29, 2010 17:19:53 GMT -6
Do you think there are UWM fans here that do the same type of thing? Do you think there are UW fans that do the same type of thing? Examples a plenty. My last response regarding Marquette. I hate getting wrapped up in feeling like I NEED to respond... You're absolutely right duck, there are fans for every team that are obnoxious and out of line much of the time. However, I've never met so many for one fan base as I have for Marquette. I'll give you one example in particular. I was at Major Goolsby's before the Northern Iowa game, and there was a table of 5 Marquette fans (why they were there, I have no idea) who had ordered food and beers, ate, and left. They left $10 on the table. Now, I could understand someone getting up and leaving as an honest mistake and forgetting to pay, but not 5 people... It was a joke, and just one example of many that sets the bar so low for Marquette fans. All I can say is, I wouldn't be proud to be among those people as fans of Marquette. |
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Post by duck on Nov 29, 2010 17:28:17 GMT -6
Nonsense. Not including UWM and UWGB, Marquette plays seven mid-major opponents this year. You can't free up two of those games to play a quality major conference opponent? Please. Hell, this year UWM tied up Marquette's nonconference schedule so severely that Marquette managed to play the #1 team in the nation. How terrible for Marquette! You're right, the series must stop. Marquette simply can't schedule quality opponents with UWM on their schedule. You do realize that playing Duke was a neutral site, exempted tournament and not a 1 for 1, 2 for 1, 3 for 1, 73 for 1 exchange? Marquette's out of conference home and away games this year are UWM and Vanderbilt. Every other year Wisconsin has to be one of those games. By putting UWM (or UWGB) into one of those slots, MU gives up a chance to play a school from the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac Ten as they have done in years past (NC State, Arizona, Nebraska, Minnesota). |
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Post by duck on Nov 29, 2010 17:34:22 GMT -6
My last response regarding Marquette. I hate getting wrapped up in feeling like I NEED to respond... You're absolutely right duck, there are fans for every team that are obnoxious and out of line much of the time. However, I've never met so many for one fan base as I have for Marquette. I'll give you one example in particular. I was at Major Goolsby's before the Northern Iowa game, and there was a table of 5 Marquette fans (why they were there, I have no idea) who had ordered food and beers, ate, and left. They left $10 on the table. Now, I could understand someone getting up and leaving as an honest mistake and forgetting to pay, but not 5 people... It was a joke, and just one example of many that sets the bar so low for Marquette fans. All I can say is, I wouldn't be proud to be among those people as fans of Marquette. We all have stories of fans from other teams just like yours. We also have examples of fans trashing other schools on message boards, just like the example given here earlier. Examples a plenty. I'll bet if you go to the Michigan State message board they rail on Michigan. If you go to the Texas A&M message board, they rail on Texas. So on and so forth. |
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Post by mujivitz06 on Nov 29, 2010 17:43:26 GMT -6
Do you think there are UWM fans here that do the same type of thing? Do you think there are UW fans that do the same type of thing? Examples a plenty. My last response regarding Marquette. I hate getting wrapped up in feeling like I NEED to respond... You're absolutely right duck, there are fans for every team that are obnoxious and out of line much of the time. However, I've never met so many for one fan base as I have for Marquette. I'll give you one example in particular. I was at Major Goolsby's before the Northern Iowa game, and there was a table of 5 Marquette fans (why they were there, I have no idea) who had ordered food and beers, ate, and left. They left $10 on the table. Now, I could understand someone getting up and leaving as an honest mistake and forgetting to pay, but not 5 people... It was a joke, and just one example of many that sets the bar so low for Marquette fans. All I can say is, I wouldn't be proud to be among those people as fans of Marquette. I really really shouldn't humor this but I will. You say 5 people left 10 dollars. Do you know that wasn't the tip? You were there and I wasn't but I want to make sure you are very sure that you have a legitimate case to accuse people of skipping out on their bill. Do you know they didn't pay by credit card? Just some things running through my head. Not that it matters anyway, like others have said there are bad apples in every bunch. However I will say that I have seen first hand the selflessness of Marquette students, countless times I have been heartened by their regard for others and their commitment to service. Maybe this doesn't come through with the sports fans you see, but without a doubt I believe Marquette students to be as or more committed to their place as global citizens more than any group I have come across. I am as proud to be associated with this group as I can be and will be until the day I die. I'm sorry for my ramble that I know was off topic and useless to most of you but I feel very strongly about it. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 29, 2010 17:49:31 GMT -6
I really really shouldn't humor this but I will. You say 5 people left 10 dollars. Do you know that wasn't the tip? You were there and I wasn't but I want to make sure you are very sure that you have a legitimate case to accuse people of skipping out on their bill. Do you know they didn't pay by credit card? Just some things running through my head. I know for a fact because the servers were looking for them, asking me if I knew if they had left. I know that not every Marquette fan is this way, and there are many other fans who are. I guess I just don't have good experiences with the majority I come in contact with... |
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Post by mujivitz06 on Nov 29, 2010 17:53:04 GMT -6
I really really shouldn't humor this but I will. You say 5 people left 10 dollars. Do you know that wasn't the tip? You were there and I wasn't but I want to make sure you are very sure that you have a legitimate case to accuse people of skipping out on their bill. Do you know they didn't pay by credit card? Just some things running through my head. I know for a fact because the servers were looking for them, asking me if I knew if they had left. I know that not every Marquette fan is this way, and there are many other fans who are. I guess I just don't have good experiences with the majority I come in contact with... Fine..like I said you were there and I wasn't. If that indeed happened that's a shame and I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I won't admit there are jerks out there, bad apples in every bunch. |
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Post by mujivitz06 on Nov 29, 2010 17:56:49 GMT -6
edit: will admit
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 29, 2010 18:16:14 GMT -6
Can this topic please go back about the basketball game last Saturday or everyone should move on. In reading in what everyone is saying both sides made right and some wrong cases.
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Post by xtownfan on Nov 29, 2010 19:21:34 GMT -6
Xtownfan I would like to ask you since you have expert knowledge on MU- what effect would a UWM win over MU have on your recruiting since both share the same city? Is it fair to say that it would definitely not be good. If Jeter is rebuilding UWM and the future is truly brighter and MU shoots out of it's mind in the first half Saturday to win by 3 why on earth would MU want to continue to play UWM. You lost to Gonzaga (I am convinced they are the Boise St of D-1) and that can't help. You have nothing to offer the Big East. TCU has a respectable basketball AND football program. My how you MU fans think your program is so much more than it is. PARITY will soon push you back over the edge into mediocrity (I believe this has happened and you don't know it) Until then schedule patsy non-conference games with a couple named schools sprinkled in where a loss (in your own minds) is ok. I for one hope they don't ever play UWM again. A successful D-1 coach named Larry(Last name will not be given) told me never to venture to these blog boards as they are perpetuated by non-athletic wanna-bes that have never played sports or coached. I don't believe that is 100% true but he has given me an image of what hides behind the name xtownfan. Oh, take a Valium. If the game is played enough times, UWM is going to win a couple. That is not really an issue. Recruiting didn't decline when Marquette dropped one to North Dakota State. Recruiting has little to do with it. Marquette and UWM are not recruiting the same players, and few, if any, are going to make their decision on the basis of one non-conference game. Marquette has also lost to Gonzaga in the past and survived. However, that Gonzaga team wasn't ranked #22 in the country. The recruits signed for next year will still show up. No, Marquette doesn't dread a loss to UWM. Of course, nobody likes to lose, people like to lose even less to someone they should beat, and it's fun to talk about the winning streak. But it's pretty insignificant in the scheme of things. |
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Post by Super King on Nov 29, 2010 19:28:58 GMT -6
Nonsense. Not including UWM and UWGB, Marquette plays seven mid-major opponents this year. You can't free up two of those games to play a quality major conference opponent? Please. Hell, this year UWM tied up Marquette's nonconference schedule so severely that Marquette managed to play the #1 team in the nation. How terrible for Marquette! You're right, the series must stop. Marquette simply can't schedule quality opponents with UWM on their schedule. You do realize that playing Duke was a neutral site, exempted tournament and not a 1 for 1, 2 for 1, 3 for 1, 73 for 1 exchange? Marquette's out of conference home and away games this year are UWM and Vanderbilt. Every other year Wisconsin has to be one of those games. By putting UWM (or UWGB) into one of those slots, MU gives up a chance to play a school from the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac Ten as they have done in years past (NC State, Arizona, Nebraska, Minnesota). Ah! So you're saying that scheduling appearances in early season tournaments lets you play big-time programs to bolster your RPI without sacrificing home games or playing in hostile road environments? Who knew? God forbid you give up a game against the vaunted Centenary Gentlemen to play a Big 12 team. Or Longwood, whose name is a dick jokeWoe is Marquette, and it's all UWM's fault. |
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