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Post by gman2 on Nov 29, 2010 14:15:29 GMT -6
First I want to say I have nothing against Marquette. I have fond memories as a kid following Marquette. I can still remember watching the 1977 championship.
Everyone needs to relax. The way football is reshaping the conference landscape I don't see MU in the Big East too much longer. The Big East needs to add at least three more football schools to hold a conference championship, which is where the BCS conferences are headed. The Big East simply will not have room for 20 or so basketball schools. Marquette will end up in a high mid major basketball conference, A10 or MVC. MU fans should enjoy their status now, it will not be there that long.
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Post by skrapheap on Nov 29, 2010 14:34:07 GMT -6
Unfortunately, the reality on many issues regarding this series is something you guys don't want to hear.
i fully appreciate that some MU fans have a different opinion about the value of continuing the Golden Eagle/Panther series. And they are entitled to hold those opinions, for reasons they no doubt consider to be correct. But when you waltz in here and decide to lecture Panther fans about "the reality on many issues," when you're just stating your opinion, all you accomplish is to provide more fodder for generalizations about MU fans as elitist trolls.
Yeesh.
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 29, 2010 14:35:04 GMT -6
I appreciate you mupanther, but the strong personalities and obnoxious arrogance by 98% of the MU fans that come HERE to "contribute" feed my disdain for everything Marquette. My distaste for their pompous attitude is in no way directed towards you. Most MU fans respect UWM fans. Unfortunately, the reality on many issues regarding this series is something you guys don't want to hear. We're just telling you like it is. No, many of you are just telling it like you think it is. The thing is, I don't need to be told how to feel, think, act. If I wanted that, I'd just listen to the government. The problem is that you honestly think you know what's best for us. That's fine if you do, but your insistence on coming here to belittle us to make yourself feel like the big brother is unwanted and unnecessary. Yet you continue. You deride, dismiss, and degrade us on our board and yours. Why not just keep it to yours? We won't miss you...we really won't... |
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 29, 2010 14:58:08 GMT -6
I just like that not too long ago MU was in C*USA and they were the little guys. How soon they have forgot their roots too.
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Post by gman2 on Nov 29, 2010 15:01:26 GMT -6
MU will be the little guys again in a few years, a high mid major future...
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Post by muwarrior2007 on Nov 29, 2010 15:04:18 GMT -6
And UWM fans are doing the same thing when they say things like "it's good for college basketball," or "this game should be played." It's the same thing. I don't know what this duck guy's deal is. I've been trying to be respectful and am actually looking for answers when I ask things like "what value does UWM provide?" I know just because I'm a Marquette fan, you think I'm elitist (which could not be further from the truth). I think I have some legitimate questions about this series continuing. My first one is: what value does a 2-1 provide for Marquette? Why does a 2-1 benefit us? And please don't give me the public good type answers. Most MU fans respect UWM fans. Unfortunately, the reality on many issues regarding this series is something you guys don't want to hear. We're just telling you like it is. No, many of you are just telling it like you think it is. The thing is, I don't need to be told how to feel, think, act. If I wanted that, I'd just listen to the government. The problem is that you honestly think you know what's best for us. That's fine if you do, but your insistence on coming here to belittle us to make yourself feel like the big brother is unwanted and unnecessary. Yet you continue. You deride, dismiss, and degrade us on our board and yours. Why not just keep it to yours? We won't miss you...we really won't... |
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Post by muwarrior2007 on Nov 29, 2010 15:07:13 GMT -6
MU will be the little guys again in a few years, a high mid major future... Not necessarily. Don't know if you noticed, but the Big East began to shore up it's football issues by adding TCU today. This addition along with the invite to Nova for football should help keep the conference intact for awhile. |
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Post by xtownfan on Nov 29, 2010 15:26:18 GMT -6
Most MU fans respect UWM fans. Unfortunately, the reality on many issues regarding this series is something you guys don't want to hear. We're just telling you like it is. No, many of you are just telling it like you think it is. The thing is, I don't need to be told how to feel, think, act. If I wanted that, I'd just listen to the government. The problem is that you honestly think you know what's best for us. That's fine if you do, but your insistence on coming here to belittle us to make yourself feel like the big brother is unwanted and unnecessary. Yet you continue. You deride, dismiss, and degrade us on our board and yours. Why not just keep it to yours? We won't miss you...we really won't... You are entitled to think whatever you want. You are entitled to feel whatever you want. Be proud of your team. Be proud of your university. Fight, Fight, Fight for UWM! But you are not entitled to your own facts. Your attendance is what it is, right around 3.000-3,500 most years. The exceptions were the best years you had, when lots of students showed up for free. Then you topped 5,000 a couple times. Your record is what it is. 0-38, or since you returned to D-1, 0-10. It is not 4-10, if you include the games you are sure you would have won if the game had been played when you were good. The money figures are what they are. Marquette makes it. UWM loses it. Marquette's home games are valuable commodities that cost something to give up. UWM's home games mostly lose money. Your schedule is what it is. You have a difficult time attracting quality opponents. Attendance Saturday is what it is. About 7,000. Not the huge event that lots of fans have been waiting to see. That is what lots of Marquette fans have been angry about. The perception that the series was shoved down our throats, that Marquette gets this great benefit from playing UWM, that Marquette makes tons of money on it, and if it costs Marquette a little, well, they can afford it. Tell you what, how about if we make up any shortfall Marquette suffers by deducting it from your AD's salary when you get one? I am sure he'll be able to afford it, and it will be great for UWM and for college basketball in the area. Marquette fans are also not pleased with the fact that the former coach tried to shove the series down our throats, that he negotiated about it in the newspapers, that he lied about it constantly, that he called the Marquette athletic office and brow-beat secretaries, and that UWM students left their biggest game of the year at the arena chanting "F__ Marquette!" Bruce used to love to say that he would play Marquette anywhere, anytime. What he forgot to mention is that he could have had the series any year he was there without a return game. It had nothing to do with Marquette ducking UWM. So yes, there is some bad blood there. There is a definite feeling that UWM wants a deal that allows it to capitalize on Marquette's success and popularity, that it wants a deal which will benefit UWM greatly, with no concern for what it costs the other side. The bottom line: Most Marquette fans don't dislike UWM. Most Marquette fans are indifferent to UWM. We'll play you or not, we'll do well with or without you on the schedule. All in all, there is enough interest to make UWM a more attractive opponent than UIC or Cleveland State. But not much. And UWM has proven not to have a whole lot of clout to get a better deal. I don't blame you for trying to get the best deal you can, but if you don't get the deal you want, you are not entitled to alter the facts to suit your preferences.. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Nov 29, 2010 15:28:24 GMT -6
muwarrior2007,
Unlike some, I don't believe your "UW-M" snafu was intentional. I believe it's from spending so much time around guys like ChicosBailBonds on your board. He makes it a point to use the hyphen and even occasionally blatantly says "UW hypen M". I don't know you personally and fwiw didn't draw the conclusion that you were arrogant. I also don't believe we have a very compelling argument for a 2 for 1 either. I don't see a reason why it makes total sense for MU, especially when they can leverage something better for them. However, I do see logic for a 3 for 1. Would I like to get a 2 for 1? You bet... but for some fans to completely dismiss being able to play a road game in Milwaukee is nuts. I've heard and read a number of people say that they genuinely enjoyed a game in the old MECCA. Is this a reason for MU to do it? Not necessarily... but I don't see a reason to schedule Prairie View A&M, do you? I understand that some Marquette fans don't see a reason why you should play us...and I get it... Why play them when they could, one day, beat us and ruin that perfect record. Sure, sounds cowardly, but sure... My point is, do what you want. Would I like to see us beat Marquette? No doubt...but would I be insanely disappointed if we played someone else instead? Hell no. I enjoy our games with Marquette because it is another quality opponent.
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Post by muwarrior2007 on Nov 29, 2010 15:40:17 GMT -6
Thank you for your response. And I will write a more substantive post as to your points later, but I just want to make one thing clear. I do not come from MUScoop (or the Jersey Shore of MU message boards as I've heard it called). I post on the MarquetteHoops.com site only. It's a great site for a lot of reasons, one of which is that Chicos isn't allowed there, lol. muwarrior2007, Unlike some, I don't believe your "UW-M" snafu was intentional. I believe it's from spending so much time around guys like ChicosBailBonds on your board. He makes it a point to use the hyphen and even occasionally blatantly says "UW hypen M". I don't know you personally and fwiw didn't draw the conclusion that you were arrogant. I also don't believe we have a very compelling argument for a 2 for 1 either. I don't see a reason why it makes total sense for MU, especially when they can leverage something better for them. However, I do see logic for a 3 for 1. Would I like to get a 2 for 1? You bet... but for some fans to completely dismiss being able to play a road game in Milwaukee is nuts. I've heard and read a number of people say that they genuinely enjoyed a game in the old MECCA. Is this a reason for MU to do it? Not necessarily... but I don't see a reason to schedule Prairie View A&M, do you? I understand that some Marquette fans don't see a reason why you should play us...and I get it... Why play them when they could, one day, beat us and ruin that perfect record. Sure, sounds cowardly, but sure... My point is, do what you want. Would I like to see us beat Marquette? No doubt...but would I be insanely disappointed if we played someone else instead? Hell no. I enjoy our games with Marquette because it is another quality opponent. |
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Post by PantherU on Nov 29, 2010 15:42:12 GMT -6
It's a great site for a lot of reasons, one of which is that Chicos isn't allowed there, lol. I laughed hard at this. |
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 29, 2010 15:47:37 GMT -6
I'll give it to you.
MU Markets better, you have Alum that come back and spend that hard earned Illinois money. You have tradititon that you hold on too, which is how all things worthwhile last. You have the whole Warrior Era and Al. You had a run with DWade to the Final Four, and you cashed in your chips when the Big East called.
I give tons of credit to MU for that. Did Milwaukee strike out after the Sweet 16, YEP and I know others agree. Maybe the AD and Bud thought, and maybe this is why we failed that Bruce was going to stay and push for an Arena and better this and that, and build the program. But he bolted and how do you sell an Arena with a new head cocah.
I love Rob Jeter, I think he has rebuilt this program and I once I graduate this Spring intend to be a Season Ticket Holder and Donor to the program.
But I guess what I am getting at with this is, the series is good for the image of MU to play the Milwaukee's and Green Bays, 2 for 1, 3 for 1 whatever it maybe. Play the schools, even if you do lose you still have the Big East gauntlent to boost you back up. If your so good and better you shouldn't lose to Milwaukee, and if we do snap the win streak, and your Soooo Good, then you should have no problem winning enough Big East games to lock yourselves in the tournament.
As for the attendance, well, we don't draw. The JS doesn't write up stories for us unless we are playing MU or UW. Like a old movie I watched, "if it aint in the paper, it never happened."
And as far as the student body, they have no clue, and the outlet and key group to get the studnets involved the Student Association is too busy playing politics with each other to care about school spirit. They complain about donated money where they lose/steal money and sue themselves. If they would work with the AD instead of against them there would be a bigger push to get school spirit up.
Im just sick and tired of it all, I kept quiet about MU guys coming here and saying were not worth anything. If anything, it's worth it to me to watch a great college basketball game between the team I love and the team I grew up watching.
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Post by Hack on Nov 29, 2010 15:55:27 GMT -6
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Post by DunneDeal on Nov 29, 2010 15:58:08 GMT -6
Alright Hack you got me, I guess I meant to refer to Gameday Previews. Like they do for MU and UW.
I wrote most of that on just me being mad at the students and those "elected" member who choose to ignore school events, and threw the JS in there too.
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Post by duck on Nov 29, 2010 16:19:38 GMT -6
Thank you for your response. And I will write a more substantive post as to your points later, but I just want to make one thing clear. I do not come from MUScoop (or the Jersey Shore of MU message boards as I've heard it called). I post on the MarquetteHoops.com site only. It's a great site for a lot of reasons, one of which is that Chicos isn't allowed there, lol. |
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Fans from UWM and UW love it.