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Post by jhart05 on Feb 16, 2007 15:30:32 GMT -6
I can understand some of the "problems" we had on Wednesday.
I mean when you are called for a foul when in looking at the replay on the big screen you can clearly see our guy didn't even touch the Loyola guy, that can get very frustrating as a player. That happened a few times from what I remember.
Then how about that 3 pointer the one official called good, when even from my seats you could clearly see the guys foot was half way over the line, I mean come on. I think they corrected it shortly after, but still. You're not 10 feet away and you blow a simple call like that. That's just purely ridiculous.
How bad the Horizon League officials are, is probably a conversation for a different thread thou.
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Post by brewtownbrian on Feb 16, 2007 16:04:24 GMT -6
I can understand some of the "problems" we had on Wednesday. I mean when you are called for a foul when in looking at the replay on the big screen you can clearly see our guy didn't even touch the Loyola guy, that can get very frustrating as a player. That happened a few times from what I remember. Then how about that 3 pointer the one official called good, when even from my seats you could clearly see the guys foot was half way over the line, I mean come on. I think they corrected it shortly after, but still. You're not 10 feet away and you blow a simple call like that. That's just purely ridiculous. How bad the Horizon League officials are, is probably a conversation for a different thread thou. You're right, the officials were pretty rotten as well and that topic is probably for another thread, but let me say...I don't think the HL has its own refs...maybe they do...but I know I've seen guys calling games on TV for the bigger conferences that have been refs in UWM games. |
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 16, 2007 16:59:41 GMT -6
Torre will start, but unproven freshman usually don't. If we started 2 or 3 freshman, we would be in for a repeat of this year. No experience = no wins. Paige will pick it up next year. He still averages 11 points and 6 rebounds, not too bad. It won't be a repeat of this year if the new players are BETTER. And judged on what I've seen this season, I don't know how Flowers, Johnson and Roberts could be much worse. "No experience = now wins." What?!?!? Says who? |
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Post by teddyp00 on Feb 16, 2007 20:09:07 GMT -6
The only thing that could be worse than this year is suffering through another year watching Al suck it up in the backcourt while better players ride the pine behind him.
Talent trumps experience nearly all the time.
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 17, 2007 9:34:51 GMT -6
Some of the posts on this thread taking shots at Al, Paige and Coach Jeter specifically and the team and program in general are a bit mystifying to me.
Who exactly are these "better players" who are riding the pine while Al sucks it up? I'm pretty sure that if coach had better players to go to, he'd be doing it. Anybody who expected Al to become Deshaun Wood or Brandon Cotton and lead this team to a conference title this season had unrealistic expectations, IMO.
I believe it is also unrealistic to be mad that Al had some trouble guarding Blake Schilb (although the amount of trouble he really had compared to the amount of trouble any of the other guys on this Panther squad had guarding Schilb has also been exaggerated IMO). Al is around 6' tall standing on his tip-toes in platform sneakers - Schilb is a 6'7" 220 pound two-time league first-team player, a legitimate conference player of the year candidate and a prospective professional basketball player. How exactly is Al supposed to guard him one-on-one, especially on post moves?
Coach had about 18 months after he took this job to recruit a whole new team, so in a way it's remarkable that the Panthers have been able to compete as effectively as they have this season. Yes, there was a funky vibe during the game the other night, but let's not forget that the Ramblers were one of the teams expected to compete for a league title this season and are certainly in the league's upper echelon right now - and that the lead was cut to four early in the second half and the Panthers stayed within striking distance for most of the game.
I know it sounds like the same song and dance, but they worked hard and lost to a better, more experienced team.
The Panthers were soooo close against UWGB and Detroit. If a few plays had gone another way, and the team won one or both of those games, the entire framework of all of these conversations would be entirely different.
I think I've seen a lot of progress from our players this year and I for one will be sticking with this team.
No, it's not all seashells and balloons as one of the guys from across town used to say. For instance, I'd sure like to see somebody box out before the season is over. I'd also like to see some more agressive cuts on the offensive end of the court, to see our guys post up more agressively as well as have the ball delivered to the post more when guys do get position, but as so many people had said so many times this season, it's a work in progress.
Let's not let a Chicago sports talk radio mentality set in. This team is doing what anyone with realistic expections would have predicted it would do. The guys are working hard in a tough situation and representing the university and the program quite well. I think they deserve our support.
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Post by uwmpanther on Feb 17, 2007 14:39:48 GMT -6
Good post. Thank you, ghola!
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Post by teddyp00 on Feb 17, 2007 15:04:47 GMT -6
You are right that as of this moment there are no better options than Al at the point with Swiggett out with the ACL tear and James sitting out due to transfer rules. But does that mean that he should get a free pass? I can give some slack to the up and down performance of Paulsen since he has been playing out of postion all year for this team. The same can not be said for Al and he leads the team in minutes played and his performance just does not come close to the amount of time he has played.
But next year when Swiggett (hopefully), James and Roberts are available there should be no reason that he is getting any where near the minutes he has gotten this year unless he begins to earn it and proves he should be out there over the other guards.
If people here want to give players not playing well free passes thats fine but you should not expect myself and others to be willing to do the same.
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 17, 2007 16:57:09 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2007 17:29:24 GMT -6
Don't get too caught up in the stats. Chris could run an offense, while its obvious that Al can't.
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Post by formerseasonticketholder on Feb 17, 2007 17:47:19 GMT -6
The offense Al is trying to run isn't stacked with the type of players that Chris got to play with either and that makes a difference. Al ran the crap out of his high school offense when he was playing with Jerry Smith. It's hard to get an assist when your team is lowest in its league in field goal percentage, or to run an effective play when guys obviously don't know where they're supposed to go in their offensive sets.
I'm not saying Chris and Al are the same player, but UWM enjoyed unprecedented success the past two seasons with a point guard who put up similar numbers to those that Al is being taken to the woodshed for.
One point that does concern me right now is that Chris was a one-man press breaker where Al can struggle a bit against pressure. Hopefully that won't be too big a factor in tonight's game.
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 18, 2007 1:16:49 GMT -6
Is that a joke? You're comparing Chris Hill to Allan Hanson? Hill was the fourth, sometimes fifth scoring option on that team. He was not the leader. McCants, Tigert, Tucker, and Boo Davis were. Anything that Hill contributed was gravy. Hanson, along with Avo, were the de facto leaders coming into this season. Smith has done his job. Hanson has not. Don't insult my intelligence. |
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Post by PantherU on Feb 18, 2007 3:19:49 GMT -6
Is that a joke? You're comparing Chris Hill to Allan Hanson? Hill was the fourth, sometimes fifth scoring option on that team. He was not the leader. McCants, Tigert, Tucker, and Boo Davis were. Anything that Hill contributed was gravy. Hanson, along with Avo, were the de facto leaders coming into this season. Smith has done his job. Hanson has not. Don't insult my intelligence. Don't get so offended, friend, he didn't mean anything by it. We're all Panthers here. |
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Post by uwm97 on Feb 18, 2007 14:13:36 GMT -6
Sorry, I was hammered when posting that after the bars last night  |
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Post by brewtownbrian on Feb 19, 2007 8:36:03 GMT -6
I believe it is also unrealistic to be mad that Al had some trouble guarding Blake Schilb (although the amount of trouble he really had compared to the amount of trouble any of the other guys on this Panther squad had guarding Schilb has also been exaggerated IMO). Al is around 6' tall standing on his tip-toes in platform sneakers - Schilb is a 6'7" 220 pound two-time league first-team player, a legitimate conference player of the year candidate and a prospective professional basketball player. How exactly is Al supposed to guard him one-on-one, especially on post moves? First off, I'm not mad that Al can't guard a guy who is 7 inches taller than him. I was just pointing out that Schilb presented serious match-up problems when Al would get stuck guarding him in a switch and Jeter didn't do anything about it. Now if Al were having a great night shooting the ball, I can see why keeping him in there makes sense. But he wasn't, so what is the harm in putting in someone with a little more size...? |
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Post by pantherdon on Feb 19, 2007 9:04:18 GMT -6
Al has had poor nights shooting and great nights shooting this season.
Second guessing Jeter choices after the game is unfair.
How is he supposed to know how Al is going to shoot?
Also, if Jeter had more effective options, he would have utilized them by now.
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