Loyola 2/14-SENIOR NIGHT!!!

[pnthr97]

I'd venture to guess that the reason Sam, Ryan and others aren't getting the playing time some on here feel they should, is because they haven't earned it. Regardless of this team's record, the coaches should only be playing those who earn their minutes. Obviously, with Roman's increased minutes, he has done something to show the coaches he is capable of playing at this level. To a lesser extent, the same can be said for Kaylan and Ryan, who saw their minutes increase towards the end of the year. For Sam and others, the same cannot be said. Simply put, they didn't show the coaches a reason to increase their playing time. You have to earn your keep - it's not handed to you. Nor do I think it should be. If Sam or any one else isn't doing what the coaches expect in practice, what type of message would it provide if their minutes increased?

I have the upmost confidence that there is a clear reason why RJ plays some, and not others. Call me crazy, but I'm going to defer to him on this one.

[brewtownbrian]

Yeah, who's whining? I always thought it was virtually impossible to pick up tone from an email or a post to a message board. And whining would be closely associated with tone, IMO.

I WAS very critical about the performance last night because quite frankly it was a lousy effort and I call'em like I see'em. If you want to consider that whining, that's your call, and it won't bother me.

As for substitution patterns, Mauldin, etc. I often wonder what RJ's philosophy is when it comes to the rotation.

In one instance (and in most instances) he'll yank a guy as soon as the guy turns it over, takes a bad shot or commits a dumb foul. And in another instance he'll let guys like Paulsen and Al do those things without consequence. At least in the form of being pulled out of the game.

I certainly don't get it, but I'm also not in the huddles or at the practices to see what goes on 100% of the time.

[uwmbbwatcher]

Here, here, brewtownbrian. And, as for pnthr97, we all make mistakes, even coaches. I have said enough.

[mcdadenets50]

I think some fans of sports confuse effort with talent sometimes. I thought the Panthers' effort last night was fine. They are just not very talented. Period. If a couple of those early 3s go in the game has a whole different look. They didn't go in because of lack of effort. They didn't go in because, quite frankly, UWM is not a good shooting team. In fact, the Panthers are not a very skilled team in many areas and their record supports that.

I'm happy with the effort. I'll be even happier when that effort is being put forth by better players and translates into more wins.

GO PANTHERS

[uwm97]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the pathetic performance put on by Allen Hanson:

37 minutes
1-5 FG (0-3 from three)
2 assists
2 turnovers
2 points

Why did he even bother to suit up? I for one can't wait for the Deonte Roberts era to begin. And I don't want to hear this "Don't expect the freshmen to contribute right away" crap. It'd be nearly impossible for Roberts to put up a line as terrible as that.

[teddyp00]

uwm97 said:

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the pathetic performance put on by Allen Hanson:

37 minutes
1-5 FG (0-3 from three)
2 assists
2 turnovers
2 points

Why did he even bother to suit up? I for one can't wait for the Deonte Roberts era to begin. And I don't want to hear this "Don't expect the freshmen to contribute right away" crap. It'd be nearly impossible for Roberts to put up a line as terrible as that.

I just got sick of pointing out his performance or lack there of for the last few weeks.

[mcdadenets50]

uwm97 said:

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the pathetic performance put on by Allen Hanson:

37 minutes
1-5 FG (0-3 from three)
2 assists
2 turnovers
2 points

Why did he even bother to suit up? I for one can't wait for the Deonte Roberts era to begin. And I don't want to hear this "Don't expect the freshmen to contribute right away" crap. It'd be nearly impossible for Roberts to put up a line as terrible as that.

Yep. Again, if we have to rely on many of these players next year to play significant minutes then I do not expect a change in our record. Throw the "class system" out the window and play the best players.

I have all the faith in the world that Rob will play the best players next year. He's a smart guy and Bud is not getting any younger...

[uwm97]

mcdadenets50 said:

uwm97 said:

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the pathetic performance put on by Allen Hanson:

37 minutes
1-5 FG (0-3 from three)
2 assists
2 turnovers
2 points

Why did he even bother to suit up? I for one can't wait for the Deonte Roberts era to begin. And I don't want to hear this "Don't expect the freshmen to contribute right away" crap. It'd be nearly impossible for Roberts to put up a line as terrible as that.

Yep. Again, if we have to rely on many of these players next year to play significant minutes then I do not expect a change in our record. Throw the "class system" out the window and play the best players.

I have all the faith in the world that Rob will play the best players next year. He's a smart guy and Bud is not getting any younger...

I agree 100%. Best players ought to play regardless of experience. If I'm not mistaken, there was a situation at Ohio St. this season where one of the upper classmen got pissed off b/c Mike Conley Jr., a freshman, stepped in and won the position. Thad Madda basically said, "Tough sh*t." If Roberts is as good as adverstised and has a good exhibition season, I'll be very disappointed to not see him start. Same w/ Tim Flowers.

[famouspnthrfan]

I completely agree...as nice as it is for players to play when they've paid their dues...it's ridiculous to think that just because they've been there longer than someone else then they should play over them. If there are coaches that do that then I believe they are doing those particular student-athletes a disservice.

[teddyp00]

pantherdon said:

Who's whining?

They're not gonna roll out the 3rd string now, especially when most of the current starters are probably going to be starting next year as well.

I doubt that most of the current starters are going to start next year. Massiah graduates, Al has proven he is not deserving of a staring spot. Paulsen, Franklin and Smith have been anything but proven players either this year. In fact I would venture to guess that at most one starter from right now will start for this team next year. Swiggett should be back and healthy, Torre will start, all indications are Roberts will start which would leave two possible starting spots open. I would be shocked if one of the Simion boys did not start as well and just from what I have seen from Gentry's progress this year I would not be the least bit surprised if he made a serious run at a starting spot next year.

Just my 2 cents

[jhart05]

uwm97 said:

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the pathetic performance put on by Allen Hanson:

37 minutes
1-5 FG (0-3 from three)
2 assists
2 turnovers
2 points

Why did he even bother to suit up? I for one can't wait for the Deonte Roberts era to begin. And I don't want to hear this "Don't expect the freshmen to contribute right away" crap. It'd be nearly impossible for Roberts to put up a line as terrible as that.

Jeter noticed it. Mid to late in the 2nd half, Hanson came off the floor, Jeter was yelling at him, threw the stat sheet at him and yelled, "look at it, look at it".

Jeter does not strike me as the type of coach to play guys just because they have paid their dues and are now seniors.

He will put the best starting 5 out there. There is no doubt in my mind of that.

[pantherdon]

teddyp00 said:

pantherdon said:

Who's whining?

They're not gonna roll out the 3rd string now, especially when most of the current starters are probably going to be starting next year as well.

I doubt that most of the current starters are going to start next year. Massiah graduates, Al has proven he is not deserving of a staring spot. Paulsen, Franklin and Smith have been anything but proven players either this year. In fact I would venture to guess that at most one starter from right now will start for this team next year. Swiggett should be back and healthy, Torre will start, all indications are Roberts will start which would leave two possible starting spots open. I would be shocked if one of the Simion boys did not start as well and just from what I have seen from Gentry's progress this year I would not be the least bit surprised if he made a serious run at a starting spot next year.

Just my 2 cents

I really think Charlie, Paige, Avery, Allen, and/or Ricky are probable starters.
There's always a learning curve from highschool to NCAA.
Later in the season we may see Deonte or Tim, who knows, but they'll have to prove something to the coaches before they'll start 'em.

[Pantherholic]

Torre's gonna start, that's why they brought him in for his last year. there's no way he can be any worse than Paige. Joe Allen will see big mins. if he doesn't start. hopefully Mauldin can improve as well too.

[hoops]

UWM97 - said it best, you start/play because you are the best player. next year's freshmen will probably getting starting spots along with charlie. paige did not really impress this year.

[uwmbbwatcher]

I agree with Pantherholic. And Paige was not particularly consistant with effectiveness.