UWM vs. MU

[BBFran]

Pearl and Crean are extremely similar guys. Both program builders with similar promotional -- and self-promotional -- abilities. Both always look out for #1 and chase the big dollar, and both have similar recruiting attributes and approaches.

Bruce is a much nicer man, however.

[Pantherholic]

crazyfred said:

What would I be jealous of? His ability to wear orange suits and suspenders? His ability to sweat more than any human being alive? His ability to record recruiting telephone conversations illegally? His ability to tamper with players at other schools and talk them into transferring to his school which is a NCAA no - no?

Yes, there is much to be jealous of.

i know i'd be jealous of Crean's uncanny ability to retain players on a yearly basis. what is it? 13 players have left now? wow, PAY RAISE!!!

[mwu]

1) as an empolyee of miller park there will be no such tourney of any sort in the stadium. i have always been a supporter of it but i've come to the realization that it will probably never happen. grounds crew b1tch constantly about the turf, concerts freak them out enough ::strike 1:: the brewers management is too unorganized to even think about holding such a huge event :: strike 2:: MU is unwilling to share ticket sales, well really anything :: strike 3::

2) i've been gone for a bit; on a previous post pages ago, right on jimmy!

3) pearl is gone, done, fineto. no need to bring him up by either side, regardless. what he did for us; great, what he did to us; wrong. pearl, crean, or cords its asshole anyway you spell it.

4)creans knowledge of deals seems to be as ridiculous as todays ref in the us vs italy match (for you other soccer buffs).

5) lets be glad we're finally playing each other instead of wishing what coulda. woulda, should've been. will we win next season maybe not. in any case i'd rather have the chance of beating those jesuit bastards than never even having the opprotunity (outside of mens/womens soccer, womens bball, womens volleyball, and club football).

[teddyp00]

I think that a game being played between the two schools is ultimately a good thing for the city and state. However, with that being said to few MU people on this board suddenly posting, if you guys ever checked this board more than just when you felt you could give us a hard time, you would understand our stance much better. People on here have been saying the 3 for 1 with wisconsin (as I understand it) is not a good deal for us either so why, why would anyone here think a 4 for 1 with MU is any good either?

For you to say we complaine when MU would not play us and now complain when we have an offer have no clue how the majority of the board members feel. Get a clue and realize its not that we think we are too good by any means, but rather mid-majors as a whole can not make any ground by continuing to sign 3 fors and 4 fors with high majors.

[milwsport]

The more I think about this, the more I smell a foul odor. These things are NOT negotiated in the newspapers. They're done like our deal with UW. One school proposes and the other agrees, then BOTH schools announce the deal.

The terms between the two deals are NOT similar. There's a big difference between getting 25 or 50k to play a game and getting NOTHING. Can UWM afford to use up a spot that could be used for guarantee game for this? I don't think many schools would accept a "you play four games for nothing and we play one game for nothing" deal.

To hear the MU folks tell it, Bruce Peal accepted a 4 for 1 deal with UW without a problem but then wouldn't accept the same deal with MU. That makes no sense.

So what we have here is Crean telling the newspapers there's a deal, (when there isn't), Crean saying it's the same deal we have with UW (when it isn't) and MU fans racing over here to argue with us that our coaches are jerks, we're cowards and we could have had this all along (when we couldn't have)

Yup something is giving off a strong odor here and it smells more like BS than locker room sweat.

[crazyfred]

pantherholic said:

crazyfred said:

What would I be jealous of? His ability to wear orange suits and suspenders? His ability to sweat more than any human being alive? His ability to record recruiting telephone conversations illegally? His ability to tamper with players at other schools and talk them into transferring to his school which is a NCAA no - no?

Yes, there is much to be jealous of.

i know i'd be jealous of Crean's uncanny ability to retain players on a yearly basis. what is it? 13 players have left now? wow, PAY RAISE!!!

Yup, definitely an issue. That's ours. Some programs have 4 guys academically ineligible in one semester.

What can you say...we can all aspire to be something.

[crazyfred]

You forgot a few Fran.

Crean is loyal to his school, Bruce is not.

Crean doesn't tape record recruiting conversations, Bruce does.

Crean doubles down on the only remaining solid player a team has in the NCAA tournament...I suspect Bruce would have done the same thing. Bo on the other hand....


By the way, I would agree. Pearl is probably a nicer guy than Crean.

[crazyfred]

Teddy, trust me we all get why it's not a good deal for you. No one ever said it was supposed to be a good deal for you.

You guys look out for your interests as you should and MU will look out for their interests as they should.

You've been begging for games, you have an offer on the table (and have for 20 months). It's just now public. Ball's in your court.


Welcome to the life of a mid-major. That's just the way it is, you don't have the leverage and never will as long as you remain in the Horizon and average 4500 fans a game. That's the way it goes. It sucks, it might be unfair but it is reality.

[teddyp00]

You MU guys seems to forget that you were nothing more than a mid just a few years ago yourself. Remember Conference USA was set up to be a the top mid-major schools and that idea (a very good one) allowed some schools to roll into more thought of high majors. You played your cards right and moved from the mid-major level, why does it seem so unreasonalbe for us to try and play our recent success into a better deal? And by the way, UW-Milwaukee has only been a university for 50 years next fall so this whole thing with us not doing anything for 100 years is just another random statement made either out of arrogance or stupidity, take your pick.

[uwmsafan]

ha! FIGURES, JUST MY LUCK. The one series i have been waiting for, i can't watch. I'm going to be in Iraq for the next year, and hopefully i will request a day off so i can catch the game webcasted...if it is :-( If not, i'll have to read the paper the next day. I haven't been able to get on the internet much, but i hope all is going well at UWM. I'm gonna try my hardest to keep up with UWM bball while I'm gone.

GO PANTHERS!

Rick Stolz

[pantherpanther]

Rick my friend, stay safe. Hats off to all of our military personnel. I hope you do get to watch the game, if it is one.

[milwsport]

Please stay as safe as you can ;D

[aknowsense]

mwu said:

1) as an empolyee of miller park there will be no such tourney of any sort in the stadium. i have always been a supporter of it but i've come to the realization that it will probably never happen. grounds crew b1tch constantly about the turf, concerts freak them out enough.

Okay this has nothing to do w/this thread but it reminded me has anybody taken a look at the Phoenix Cardinals new stadium? The whole field moves out of the stadium to get sun and have concerts/final 4's it's brillant......

[schweaty]

This is exactly the kind of deal UWM needs to make. Maybe a UWM-MU matchup will fill those seats at the Cell for once during the regular season. If there's anyway for the students at UWM to get pumped about watching the Panthers it's going to be for this game. This matchup will help build a new generation of "Klotsche Krazies".

The general opinion most people have regarding this situation is that MU was scared to play UWM over the past few seasons but now that Pearl and his players are gone, they suddenly became open to the idea. Whether that's true or not, I don't know... Either way it's a guaranteed series against a Big East team which can't hurt the RPI.

As much as I don't like it, UWM plays second fiddle in Milwaukee and third behind UW and MU in the state. A win against either of these teams is much bigger for us than it is for them. Imagine what one stinking little win at the BC will do to the public perception of UWM and more importantly the students' perception of UWM. That inferiority complex at UWM will start to dissolve, as will the superiority complex at MU.

The amount of school spirit and pride I see on campus--and even in the city--is light years beyond what it was a four years ago. UWM used to be a joke. Our first NCAA appearance was seen as a fluke; people didn't really think they deserved to be there, let alone actually compete with the big boys. It's come a REAL long way after a few tourney wins, but the amount of alumni and student support is light years behind what it is at Marquette and Madison. We couldn't even sell-out the Horizon League championship game, the year after making it to the Sweet Sixteen.

That's why this is a good deal for UWM. Will students and alumni want to sit back and allow MU and UW fans to come to our court (even if it is every four years) and out-number us? I surely don't think so. All the people that never went to a game will come out of the woodwork and drop in. People will have fun and want to return for more games. The alumni will pump money into athletics.

It's good for UWM. It's good for MU. It's good for the city. I'm optimistic. If UWM plays well, they'll earn a better deal than a 4-and-1, 8-and-2, or whatever deal they agree upon.

[crazyfred]

teddyp00 said:

You MU guys seems to forget that you were nothing more than a mid just a few years ago yourself. Remember Conference USA was set up to be a the top mid-major schools and that idea (a very good one) allowed some schools to roll into more thought of high majors.

It is utterly laughable that you would ever put C-USA in the mid-major category. Utterly laughable. Now, if you want to say Marquette was a mid major in the late 1980's early 1990's in the MCC (now the Horizon)...yeah, you have an argument.

But C-USA was NEVER a mid-major conference EVER. Even now as a shell of a conference from what it used to be, it is not a mid-major.

As for UWM being only a university for 50 years...that's fine. You've been an academic institution of higher learning for much longer and have played basketball for eons.

Heck, if you want to go down that train of thought think of another urban school that has only been around LESS than 50 years. Houston. What do they have, 5 Final Fours or something like that plus Cotton Bowl titles, Heisman trophy winners, etc. Pretty impressive for such a young school.