UWM vs. MU

[uwmfan]

...wake me up when one of you actually think you've won an argument on this, ok? Yyyyyyaaaaaawwwn.....

[PantherLou]

Before anyone gets ahead of themselves.....

There has been NO confirmation of this from anyone other than Tom Crean.Go back and read the Rosiak article. No quote from Rob, no quote from Bud, no quotes from anyone else. As far as I can tell, this is something Tom Crean told Todd Rosiak, and he is running with it as though it is completly factual. Personally, I think it's terrible journalism, but really - I'm not too surprised.

When the final deal is announced, I think it will be a lot different than a simple 4-1....

[ABPantherFan]

Channel 4 had phone interview with Rob last night saying hoping to seal the deal

[Rawls]

unclejohn said:

You guys might well think you are worth a 1 for 1 deal, but frankly, you are not.

...and why the hell not?? If we are such an only-good-for-a-mid-major and so unworthy, the Showers would have no problem winning in the Cell, right? And enough about the damn history!! What, you win ONE NCAA, and all of a sudden you're f---in North Carolina? You know who else won one? Loyola-Chicago, Texas Western (UTEP), LaSalle, CCNY. Crean and his Golden yesmen can act like they haven't dodged UWM for the last few years, but everyone knows the truth. They did it because they wanted to keep the city. They would have lost in 2003-04, they would have lost in 2004-05, and it would have been a hell of a game this last year. Hence, UWM would be getting a lot more attention from the casual Milwaukee fan. The Showers are doing it now because playing at The Cell every other year might actually (God forbid) give them competition on the non-con schedule. I wonder, tho, how will they break the news to Lewis University that Milwaukee has passed them up on the oh-so-distinguished right to play the glorious and historic Marquette Gold.

[PantherLou]

Playing a 1 for 1 has nothing to do with worthiness. It has to do with revenue, and frankly, there is no way that we can generate the money needed to play Marquette in a 1 for 1.

I know some don't want to face that fact, but it is a fact.

The money that Marquette will send us is pretty significant, and unfortunately, we do need to make decisions based upon dollars, not just on principle.

That being said...I am confident that there is more to this deal than what is being reported.

[BBFran]

Let's just see how it shakes out. The bottom line is that this game is good for college basketball fans in Milwaukee and Wisconsin and it should happen. If it's happening now because MU thinks it can win again and realizes it needs to improve its putrid home non-con schedule (and it is), so be it.

By the way, not that I'm concerned anyone here is actually buying the revisionist history the giggle boys are desperately spinning, but be assured there has been no "deal on the table" for the last two years. Far, far from it.

[uwmfootball]

Some selected members of the coaching staff didn't even know about this until the paper reported it. From a VERY credible source, this deal will be better than a 4-1. Everyone relax and breathe.

But I am excited to see such venom and passion in June. There will be a sellout. But there isn't a rivalry, is there? This should be fun.

[crazyfred]

SRT...using the same rationale you used to "cherry pick" (as you accuse me of), it was a 6 for 1 as I stated CORRECTLY. To fullfill the second contract, however it ends up ultimately being 7 for 2.

Now I do find it rather interesting that you accuse someone of cherry picking and to make your argument you cherry pick.

YES OR NO, are there two back to back contracts at work here?

YES OR NO, when putting those two contracts together is it 7 for 2?

If you answered anything less than YES on both of those questions, then you would be wrong. Simply read the article again.

You can cut up little segments all you want to say "the last 5 games have one team going there three times and here twice"....that's wonderful. That's only a small part of the ENTIRE contract.

We are talking about contracts here are we not?

By the way...it's "paid" not "payed". Always happy to help.

Oh, also by the way. When calling someone a "liar" they usually need to have done something such as LYING. It's a 7 for 2 with the two contracts, please explain what is UNTRUTHFUL about that known and published fact?

Take care. Hope you guys have the stones to sign this contract.

[crazyfred]

bbfran said:

By the way, not that I'm concerned anyone here is actually buying the revisionist history the giggle boys are desperately spinning, but be assured there has been no "deal on the table" for the last two years. Far, far from it.

Fran....I know you do some work for Marquette as an attorney (even though you bad mouth your client incessantly on chat rooms...but that's for another day).

Marquette has told UWM for close to two years that the starting point and ENDING point of the discussions is the precedent that had already been set. 4 for 1 MINIMUM.

This was reported on our blog last year, reported elsewhere. You can deny it all day if you wish but you know not what you speak.

I'm just happy it is finally public. Crean should have put this out in the public two years ago and that was a mistake on his part. Force the issue and force UWM to stop their incessant b****ing.

Fortunately Rob hasn't acted in that manner (b****ing), but Bud has his own different nuances on this. He's still tainted by Bo and Bruce and the relationship between the two programs.

Crean has put it in the public sphere now and has drawn the line. 4 for 1, the same line that has been drawn for two years.

If you're hearing differently, well then you aren't talking to the right people Fran. May your house avoid any lightning strikes this year and may you continue to bad mouth your client in a public space.

Smash a watermelon for us and try not to get any on yourself.

[crazyfred]

uwmfootball said:

Some selected members of the coaching staff didn't even know about this until the paper reported it. From a VERY credible source, this deal will be better than a 4-1. Everyone relax and breathe.

LOL. Yeah, keep thinking that. ;D

[milwsport]

I agree. The game is about fun. Look at the heat this deal has already generated on our board.

Do I like a 4 for 1 deal? No. But let's face it, if Notre Dame or TN offered us a deal like that we'd have far fewer emotional problems taking it. Let's not let our attitude towards MU get in the way of having some fun.

It's the life of a mid major that is on the rise. If we keep rising we'll be attracting much better deals than this, but that day isn't here yet. We can all have fun building towards it.

The fact that there is even a discussion shows the MU line about how they didn't want to hurt their RPI by playing us was a bald faced lie. It shows how much we've improved. It also shows that Milwaukee fans are putting the heat on MU because they care about us. That's an improvement too.

The fact is that they do sell more tickets than we do. The BC has 70% more seats than the Cell does, so even if we sold out every game, it still would make economic sense for MU to hold it there.

The fact is also that we can't beat them and say "We're the best in Milwaukee" if we don't play them. And we will beat them, MAYBE not next year but in the next couple of years, we'll see Panther fans dancing on the floor after a Gold/Golden Eagle/Warrior loss to us. We'll see the average Milwaukeean hoisting a brew in local taverns saluting a team they can really identify with.

And last but not least, this is a game Milwaukee fans want. That should count for something too.

PS Jimmy your last post should go in the Hall of Fame. It's a real classic! Great job!

[PantherLou]

I will go on record and guaranty that this will not be a standard 4-1.

[uwmfootball]

I stand with Lou. This is far from a normal setup.

[dylanrocks]

From all accounts, this could be the most novel, ground-breaking arrangement yet. I guess Rosiak should have, you know, called the other side for confirmation. Nice journalism!

[Kingsbury]

Jeter was just on the D List stating that nothing is set in stone and the teams are talking. The 4 for 1 was Marquette's doing as UWMfootball....................I mean, never-mind........stated.


Here's my $0.02,

I really don't care if they play or not. Would I like a 2 for 1 deal with Marquette, sure I would. On the other hand if we want the Horizon league to become like the Valley, we need to take games against teams in the top 150 RPI. Is a 1 for 1 contract with Prairie View A & M better than a 3 for 1 with Marquette, I don't think so. As far as I'm concerned, IF UWM plays at the BC, I get to go see another Panther game in person.


Chico's.................How about Cal State Fullerton!!! I think they have exceeded mine and your predictions