UWM vs. MU

[Pantherholic]

actually there's a bunch of us who didn't want this series at all.

[coacheinerson]

This is flat out war.

For one, I think it's absolutely insulting that Crean was even thinking about a 4-for-1. I'm even more dumbfounded that we went with it.

I really don't think that it will take long for the city to hop on our bandwagon in this rivalry. Nobody likes an elitist and everyone likes the underdog. I think it's funny how Marquette fans are actually pumped about this deal. This has some potential of being catastrophic for them. My Marquette student roommate just called me and proclaimed that he can't wait to "kick our @ss."

Despite the fact we have to play across the street for four years, we have to view this as an opportunity to make fans out of our massive amount of Alumni that didn't have Division I basketball when they were enrolled here. This game will make huge waves annually within the state. That's a good thing.

Game on.

[crazyfred]

I hate to bring facts into this, but what the hell. This 4 for 1 offer was brought to UWM about 20 months ago. We reported it on our blog, it was reported HERE, it was reported on MU chat boards.

We tried in the JS chat rooms to have Rosiak and Bobbi to confirm, but these reporters either didn't try or couldn't get the information on the record from Crean and Haidet.

To suggest this was done "now" because UWM will be rebuilding is an absolute farce and devoid of the facts.

This has been in Bud's court for a LONG, LONG, LONG time.

There is a reason why this game is back on. Rob Jeter. Former member of the MU family and not a complete jagoff like Ryan and Pearl. Plain and simple.

Rob's a class guy. I personally don't think MU gets anything out of this. Unlikely sellout (UWM can't sellout their own 10,000 seat arena), a loss will be viewed as a bad loss, we never recruit the same players so no recruiting wars to be won.

But it looks like the game is on. Wish we had the 6 for 1 or 7 for 2 that Madison got with UWM, but 4 for 1 sounds like that's the deal.

Stop complaining, you've been b****ing for this game for 2 years and we're signing a contract for 8 games. You don't like the setup, then don't sign the deal. I can guarantee you now that it is in the public forum that MU has nothing to lose if the deal collapses. MU is offering a parity deal that Wisconsin has.

Take it or leave it.

See you at the Bradley Center.

[crazyfred]

For one, I think it's absolutely insulting that Crean was even thinking about a 4-for-1. I'm even more dumbfounded that we went with it.

Should I even bother to ask? Oh hell, why not. Why on earth would you be dumbfounded that Crean would ask for the same thing that Wisconsin currently has in their relationship with UWM?

Please, this should be good.

[unclejohn]

Um, guys, take a deep breath and see if you can come back in touch with reality. We don't need you. If Marquette doesn't play UWM, we'll play somebody else instead, and nobody outside of Shorewood is going to care. You guys might well think you are worth a 1 for 1 deal, but frankly, you are not. UWM is a good mid-major program which has experienced some recent success and will draw some local interest. Outside of that, you are no better or more attractive an opponent than a hundred other teams, (a conservative estimate.) Outside of Milwaukee any time other than a couple of weekends in March, nobody in America knows or cares who UWM is. Your basketball tradition, such as it is, goes back about four years. Hey, it's a fine university. I have a couple relatives there. But there are loads of fine universities, many superior to UWM, who are not going to find their way onto our basketball schedule any time soon.

Fortunately for UWM, the decisions on scheduling are not made by a bunch of ignorant undergrads on message boards, so this deal is going to go through. It works out well for UWM. The program will make some money and create a little interest. That is about as good a deal as a school like UWM is going to get. Honestly, what do you think you are going to do instead? Enter into a home-and-home deal with UCLA?

Our two programs are not on the same level. Marquette regularly sells 4-5 times as many season tickets as the attendance at a typical UWM game. That means that regardless of who we play, we are going to outdraw the typical UWM crowd by about 5-1. I won't even go into the whole history arguement, as most posters on this topic are too young to know what the term means.

As a Marquette fan, I am happy with this deal. Clearly, somebody did the number-crunching and figured out that MU can make about as much money playing UWM on a 4-1 deal as we can playing five home buy games. OK. Good. It will make for some exciting basketball, at least as long as UWM can keep up their recent level of success. OTOH, if the MU powers that be decided the deal did not make economic sense, as they have in the past, I am cool with that as well. Like most Marquette fans, I am largely indifferent to UWM, but at least recently, they have put better teams on the court than Marquette has managed to schedule in buy games. For those who want to whine about how this shouldn't just be about the money, please! Grow up and get real. Men's basketball supports the entire MU athletic program, and it is a whole lot more expensive to operate a team in the Big East than it is in a mid-major bus league. Yeah, it's about the money. Get used to it, undergrads.

As for UWM, you are not in a strong bargaining position. It has nothing to do with what whiney little undergrads think is fair. This is about what works out best for the teams involved. Assuming the applicable decision makers at UWM are wise, they will take this deal and run with it.

[mwu]

jdbrew said:

This is flat out war.

fvckin right!

i've been waiting for this seemingly forever. a 4-1 deal sucks i would've pushed for 3-1/2-1. but all that can be renegociated later if need be. this fall may be rough, but 2 years from now....

bring it!

[MKE]

Marquette fan here. I would like to apologize for MUwarrior2007. He is an idiot, plain and simple. Disregard everything that he says. He only exists to make other people hate him. Many of the people at the Marquette boards wish that he did not represent our school because of his poor reputation, lack of respect for others, and penchant for angering fans of opposing teams.

I have a response to those who feel that MU is only doing this now because UWM has lost half of its team to graduation and five of its top six scorers. Although this year it looks like UWM might have a tough time, this is a multi-year contract. It's not a one and done. There will be plenty of time for UWM to get back to the strength it was last year and the previous years. Also MU will have down years in there too. You would have probably beaten us in 03-04 and 04-05. Last year might have been a close one. Crean is not infallible and has shown some recruiting and player retention problems in the past. Every program goes through ups and downs. This deal is done. Like it or not, the games will be played.

[muwarrior2007]

HEY BUDDY! Thanks for reminding me why I exist! I wasn't sure, since you don't know me personally, I'm glad you tell everyone what I'm actually like. Thanks! I appreciate that, could you just remove the blue and gold knife from my back? Thanks....

[Pantherholic]

good post mke (especially the first part ) feel free to post whenever u like.

[SRT4driver]

pantherholic said:

muwarrior2007 said:

35-0 and counting...

ooooooooo GOOD comeback think of that one on your own or did you need some help?

Come on 'Holic, let the little boy be proud that his Gold were able to beat a D-3 team dozens of times. Since that's what Milwaukee was for the majority of those games, as well as D-2 and NAIA for the majority of the rest.

I mean, we brag about our dominant all-time record against D-3 UW-______ all the time, right?

Pathetic.

[SRT4driver]

crazyfred said:

For one, I think it's absolutely insulting that Crean was even thinking about a 4-for-1. I'm even more dumbfounded that we went with it.

Should I even bother to ask? Oh hell, why not. Why on earth would you be dumbfounded that Crean would ask for the same thing that Wisconsin currently has in their relationship with UWM?

Please, this should be good.

Hey "Fact"-boy, I refer you to this post on page 1 of this thread. Please don't hurt yourself trying to interpret it...

srt4driver said:

...It's pretty much publicly acknowledged by all three schools involved that UWGB and UWM, as part of their new, long term contracts, agreed to play Madison two games up front in 2002 & 2003 in order to set up Madison's current scheduling rotation of the other three in-state schools (two @ the Kohl, one on the road, per year). It's now effectively a 3-for-1 series for as long as the contract's last with both UWGB and UWM. Hence why Madison plays at the Cell in 2007 and 2011, and will continue to play at the Cell in 2015, 2019, and so on provided the contract is renewed. That would be a 3-for-1 contract, in case you went to Marquette and you're having trouble following along. To say that we are in a 4-for-1 contract simply because you can add up that we played at the Kohl 8 times compared to 2 at the Cell in a given time span is semantics and a half-truth at best, and completely dishonest at worst. But hey, he did say that it's just his "understanding", of the situation, right?

Now's where's Chicos at to continue to perpetrate Crean's spin on this subject?

What I would like to know from you, Chicos, is if Madison plays in Milwaukee in 2007, 2011, 2015, 1019, 2023 and so on, how is Crean getting a 4-for-1 "contract" out of that.
I mean, I understand how someone as stupid as yourself might say we have a 6-for-1, 8-for-1 or even 12-for-1 contract (after all, you went to Marquette), but MU's "respected" head coach?
BWAHAHHA!!

[JimmyLemke]

Uncle John, your educated response is noted and disregarded. MU alumni are very interested in this match up. To say that there is a large MU indifference is being ignorant of your fellow alumni. Every Marqueer(my pet name for you guys, don't take it personally) I know is hyped for this game. From what it seems...well, at least JD, MWU, and myself, the UWM crowd is going for it.

As Justin so rightly put it, this is flat out war. This is a call to arms, Panther Nation! Let's get ready to RUMBLE!

In Response to Others...

bigd said:

...looks like I spoke too soon in the other thread. I don't believe you guys whored yourselves out like this....4 to 1? C'mon. What is there to gain? At least when they wouldn't play you, you could play the "MU's scared" card...now you play them 4 times at their place where you will likely lose all four? There goes all the momentum you've built up in that town for the past few years...

Seriously, how are mid-majors going to get any respect when you guys are scheduling like this? Please don't talk about UWGB's coach when you guys have two 4 to 1 deals going at once...

By the way, do you think it's just coincidence that MU wants to play you after you lose 7 seniors...they know exactly what they're doing....

Hey, D, how about you go schedule another D-II school and leave this thread to the big boys, huh?

muwarrior2007 said:

dude... take a step away from the high horse, you've been to 3 NCAA tournaments in 100 yrs, that doesn't put you close to MU in terms of history. You also play in a not so good conference, no offense, you had some good teams these last few yrs, but those are the best yrs in the HISTORY of UWm, and they couldn't compare even close to MU. So before you think you're on par with MU, take a closer look...

It's not what you've done overall, it is what you have done for me lately.

crazyfred said:

I hate to bring facts into this, but what the hell. This 4 for 1 offer was brought to UWM about 20 months ago. We reported it on our blog, it was reported HERE, it was reported on MU chat boards.

We tried in the JS chat rooms to have Rosiak and Bobbi to confirm, but these reporters either didn't try or couldn't get the information on the record from Crean and Haidet.

To suggest this was done "now" because UWM will be rebuilding is an absolute farce and devoid of the facts.

This has been in Bud's court for a LONG, LONG, LONG time.

There is a reason why this game is back on. Rob Jeter. Former member of the MU family and not a complete jagoff like Ryan and Pearl. Plain and simple.

Rob's a class guy. I personally don't think MU gets anything out of this. Unlikely sellout (UWM can't sellout their own 10,000 seat arena), a loss will be viewed as a bad loss, we never recruit the same players so no recruiting wars to be won.

But it looks like the game is on. Wish we had the 6 for 1 or 7 for 2 that Madison got with UWM, but 4 for 1 sounds like that's the deal.

Stop complaining, you've been b****ing for this game for 2 years and we're signing a contract for 8 games. You don't like the setup, then don't sign the deal. I can guarantee you now that it is in the public forum that MU has nothing to lose if the deal collapses. MU is offering a parity deal that Wisconsin has.

Take it or leave it.

See you at the Bradley Center.

I think you need to lay off of Bo Ryan, because the last time I checked, you got stomped by him. Double digits, anyone?

Also, to Holic...I know why you could be hesitant. We could be swept, and it could be tough to watch. But all it takes is one UWM win, and the house of cards comes toppling down.

[crazyfred]

SRT...over a 9 year span it is actually 7 for 2. All one needs to do is look at the schedules or you can read today's Journal Sentinel.

Sorry you need to resort to the name calling, but if you must you must.

Now if that POST you are referring to is what you're going on, well there's not much I can do for you.

Here's the quote from today's article. "UW's contract with UWM - which was agreed to prior to the 2003-'04 season - differs from the proposed deal with MU in that the Badgers are to receive three guarantee games from UWM and then play a 4-for-2."

Now let's all do the math together now shall we:

3 Guarantee games
PLUS
4 more home games (part of 4-for-2)
EQUALS
7 HOME GAMES and 2 away games

Or, a 7 for 2.


7 games in Madison...2 games in Milwaukee


If you don't like our 4 for 1, don't sign it and continue to belly ache. We really don't care. We've thrown you an olive branch, choose what you want to do. It's in Bud's hands as it has been when this was first presented almost two years ago.

I'm glad it's finally out of the blogosphere and into the press so we can stop the charade. What are you going to do Bud? Play or b**** about it some more?

[SRT4driver]

unclejohn said:

Um, guys, take a deep breath and see if you can come back in touch with reality. We don't want to play [glow=red,2,300]and lose to you.[/glow] If Marquette doesn't play UWM, [glow=red,2,300]we'll play somebody else instead that has an RPI about 200 spots lower than yours, like Prairie View A&M, and nobody outside of our glass house is going to care. [/glow] You guys might well think you are worth a 1 for 1 deal, but frankly, [glow=red,2,300]we think we're too good to play you at all (especially if you might beat us).[/glow] UWM is a good mid-major program which has experienced[glow=red,2,300]more recent success than MU and will continue to draw local interest.[/glow] Outside of that, you are no better or more attractive an opponent [glow=red,2,300]to me[/glow] than a hundred other [glow=red,2,300]D-3, NAIA, and sub-300 RPI teams[/glow] we could, and have, scheduled (a conservative estimate.) [glow=red,2,300]Don't worry, we'll brag about our record against them afterwards, too, because we have "tradition" like that.[/glow] Outside of [glow=red,2,300]the entire country, over the course of the NCAA Tournament[/glow], nobody in America knows or cares who UWM is [glow=red,2,300](I won't mention that same country thinks MU is in Michigan).[/glow] Your basketball tradition, such as it is, goes back about four years. Hey, it's a fine university. I have a couple relatives there. [glow=red,2,300]They're even not condescending pricks like I am.[/glow] But there are loads of fine universities, many superior to UWM [glow=red,2,300]and MU[/glow], who are not going to find their way onto our basketball schedule any time soon.

Fortunately for UWM, the decisions on scheduling are not made by a bunch of [glow=red,2,300]arrogant[/glow] undergrads on [glow=red,2,300]RingOutAhoya.com, [/glow] so this deal is going to go through. It works out well for UWM. The program will make some money and create a [glow=red,2,300]lot of local and national[/glow] interest. That is about as good a deal as a school like UWM is going to get [glow=red,2,300]from an elitist-filled school like MU.[/glow] Honestly, what do you think you are going to do instead? Enter into a home-and-home deal with [glow=red,2,300]a school that actually won a game in last year's NCAA Tournament[/glow]?

Our two programs are not on the same level. Marquette regularly sells [glow=red,2,300]half[/glow] as many season tickets as the attendance at a typical UWM game. That means that regardless of who we play, we are going to outdraw the typical UWM crowd by about [glow=red,2,300]2.5-1.[/glow] I won't even go into the whole history arguement, as most posters on this topic are[glow=red,2,300]n't arrogant enough to understand why I think it applies to us playing today.[/glow]
As a Marquette fan, I am happy with this deal. Clearly,[glow=red,2,300] I'm guessing that[/glow] somebody did the number-crunching and figured out that MU can make about as much money playing UWM on a 4-1 deal as we can playing five home buy games. OK. Good. It will make for some exciting basketball, at least as long as UWM can [glow=red,2,300]come down to our current level[/glow] from their recent level of success. OTOH, if the MU powers that be decided the deal did not make economic sense, [glow=red,2,300](or are scared of losing),[/glow] I am cool with that as well. Like most [glow=red,2,300]stuck-up[/glow] Marquette fans, I am largely indifferent to UWM, but at least recently, they have put better teams on the court than Marquette has managed to. For those who want to whine about how this shouldn't just be about the money, please! Grow up and get real. Men's basketball supports the entire MU athletic program, and it is a whole lot more expensive to operate a team in the Big East than it is in a mid-major bus league [glow=red,2,300]that our "tradition-steeped program" was a member of just 15 years ago[/glow]. Yeah, [glow=red,2,300]I think[/glow] it's about the money. Get used to it, [glow=red,2,300]real basketball fans.[/glow]

As for[glow=red,2,300] MU, we[/glow] are not in a strong bargaining position. It has nothing to do with what [glow=red,2,300]arrogant, delusional fans like myself want to think.[/glow] This is about what works out best for the teams involved. Assuming the applicable decision makers at UWM are wise, they will take this deal and [glow=red,2,300]shove it up Tan Tommy's a$$.[/glow]

Edited for accuracy.
You're welcome, unclejohn. ;D

[SRT4driver]

I'm sorry. I won't stoop to the level of most of the Ahoya posters with meaningless name calling anymore. I'll stick to justified, earned names from now on, liar.
That's all I can do when you refuse to stop being a liar, and playing with the time span to create a false "series" to suit your agenda. Cherry picking a certain time span is more than disengenious. Inside of the same period that you were able to pull a "7-for-2" from, Milwaukee & Madison play 2 in Milwaukee and 3 in Madison. 2007 MKE, 08, 09, 10 Madison, 2011 MKE. So can I say it's a 3-for-2 series now?
In any case, THREE of the games UWM plays in Madison UWM is getting payed for, therefore they can't even be honestly used in the discussion of a 4-for-1, 7-for-2, or any other NON-GUARANTEE series between UWM and MU.
Are you really going to continue to make these dishonest statements? I remember not to long ago it was a 6-for-1 according to you.
Please do, it just keeps making you look like a spinster.
Even Pearl was never this loose with the truth.

crazyfred said:

SRT...over a 9 year span it is actually 7 for 2. All one needs to do is look at the schedules or you can read today's Journal Sentinel.

Sorry you need to resort to the name calling, but if you must you must.

Now if that POST you are referring to is what you're going on, well there's not much I can do for you.

Here's the quote from today's article. "UW's contract with UWM - which was agreed to prior to the 2003-'04 season - differs from the proposed deal with MU in that the Badgers are to receive three guarantee games from UWM and then play a 4-for-2."

Now let's all do the math together now shall we:

3 [glow=red,2,300]Guarantee[/glow] games
PLUS
4 more home games (part of 4-for-2)
EQUALS
7 HOME GAMES and 2 away games

Or, a 7 for 2.


7 games in Madison...2 games in Milwaukee


If you don't like our 4 for 1, don't sign it and continue to belly ache. We really don't care. We've thrown you an olive branch, choose what you want to do. It's in Bud's hands as it has been when this was first presented almost two years ago.

I'm glad it's finally out of the blogosphere and into the press so we can stop the charade. What are you going to do Bud? Play or b**** about it some more?