Mo State Sat 2/18/06

[Kroener3535]

Flat out....we didnt deserve to win that game..we played horrible...and take no offense Mizzou State fans....but your team is not anything special...today u deserved to win the game...on a normal day with AT you lose by 15+

[damasa]

milwsport said:

Bottom line is that this is a game we could've and should've won.

Could've won, maybe. Should've won, no. They might have had a chance at the end but when you miss simple layups, something like four or five in the last four mintues, there's no way a team should win. They were also without AT and Massiah and Hill was pretty suck again this game.

The season is far from over and I think our guys will have the intensity to end the season on a good note. But I think losing this game gives us a 13 or 14 seed going into tourney time (assuming we win tourney and get there instead of the NIT).

[DunneDeal]

All in All, It has been said and I will say it again.

AT IS KEY TO UWM'S GAME

With 2 loses, without AT we can all see just how important that guy is to this team. I the world of whatif's If AT played. This game would be diffrent.

but I still wouldnt guess the outcome.

[gobears05]

kroener3535 said:

Flat out....we didnt deserve to win that game..we played horrible...and take no offense Mizzou State fans....but your team is not anything special...today u deserved to win the game...on a normal day with AT you lose by 15+

You don't, in any way, see something wrong with this statement?

A. You have no idea if AT plays any better than what you had play.

B. The Bears didn't play well themselves, if you wanted to get into if's, you've gotta give the Bears their if's as well.

C. AT makes up around 24 points? The Bears led by an average of 7 pts. from the mid point of the half.

I'm not going to get into sour grapes as I think UW-M DOES have a pretty special team and even if you think MO St. sucks, I'm a huge fan who loves them so.

Teams that are good, exciting, and beat a few big boys are teams I like to root for, so I'll be keeping an eye on you guys the rest of the year and look forward to your return trip next year.

PS- MO St. fans HATE Mizzou, so the Mizzou St. thing they hate as well.

[milwsport]

Apparently some people don't understand don't understand the words "could have won " and "should have won" when in the context of a BB game.

"Could have won" - was not overmatched and clearly had an opportunity to win.

"Should have won" - missed layups, didn't take care of the ball, didn't follow a clear game plan, didn't make good choices in selecting which shot to launch.

Also apparently some people don't understand the problems you face when losing your best rebounder, third leading scorer, assist leader AND his main back up for a game.

MO State doesn't suck, they are on the same level as UW-M, a high mid major, with a good team capable of competing with most of the majors on any given night.

[DunneDeal]

I agree. This game with our team to full health...AT and Kevin could have played out diffrently.

[milwsport]

gobears05 said:

I watched the game on TV, so that's a different perspective for sure, and they certainly didn't say anything about the players not being out of bounds and the announcers definitely were pro-Panthers. .

I don't know what they showed on TV. I know what I saw right in front of me and what was shown on replays at the Cell.

I don't know what happened in the UNI v Bucknell game but a chat bud who goes to Pitt (and hates Bucknell) said the refs were a factor there too.

I have great respect both for your program (I remember when the Bears beat the Badgers in the opening round of the Big Dance some years ago) and your conference. But I am sure the MVC doesn't want to look like the WAC.

In the 2004 season WAC refs literally stole football games from two Big 10 schools playing at Hawaii, Michigan State and Northwestern. The announcers didn't say anything then either. But it was so bad that in 2005, the Badgers refused to honor their contract unless neutral refs were hired and no Big 10 school would exchange films with Hawaii in advance of the UW game there.

In this case, the game was sponsored by the people broadcasting it. Not much chance they were going to comment on the officiating.

quote author=gobears05 board=Games thread=1140190020 post=1140320109]
My beef came from saying it was a game that "should" have been won when the game was rarely closer than 6 points the entire game. It just seemed like a slap against the Bears, and I'm sure you'd stand up for your boys as well.

Your team showed heart today, you have a good team that I hope makes it this year.[/quote]

It certainly was a game we should have won. We weren't overmatched. We just didn't play as well as we've seen. That first half was the worst half for us that I've seen in at least three years. We were surprised we were only down by 6 at half time.

Also the score during the game doesn't matter. We were down 11 to Detroit with 3:38 seconds to go and won by 1.

All that being said, the Bears did what they had to do to win the game. They're a good team and they're well coached. I hope they do well in the Big Dance.

[uwmfutbol]

This game was "not important," but for me all that it has done is proven that UWM is in a downward spiral this season. I don't care if we didn't have AT. UWM has enough talent to win these games, but instead they forget how to pass and shoot layups.

I'm almost looking forward to this season being over so Jeter can start with fresh players... it's just not fun to watch these guys anymore.

[damasa]

milwsport said:

Apparently some people don't understand don't understand the words "could have won " and "should have won" when in the context of a BB game.

"Could have won" - was not overmatched and clearly had an opportunity to win.

"Should have won" - missed layups, didn't take care of the ball, didn't follow a clear game plan, didn't make good choices in selecting which shot to launch.

Also apparently some people don't understand the problems you face when losing your best rebounder, third leading scorer, assist leader AND his main back up for a game.

MO State doesn't suck, they are on the same level as UW-M, a high mid major, with a good team capable of competing with most of the majors on any given night.

Apparently, some people meet kettle on a regular basis.

Again, we "could have won" but I don't "should have won" should come out of any person's mouth. The Bears handled UWM from jump. They executed well, forced many turnovers and played great defense.

Oh, and they also missed many easy shots and a few from the stripe. This isn't a game of "what ifs" because if it is well than it can go both ways. If we use it both ways well then we still "could have won" but we shouldn't have.

Let's blame the refs though because apparently every time we lose it's because of the refs

[damasa]

gobears05 said:

kroener3535 said:

A. You have no idea if AT plays any better than what you had play.

Had AT been playing, it's pretty evident that the offense would have executed uch better and attacked the paint more. It would have given the Bears a rough time in the paint on their end and UWM might have grabbed several more boards than they did We know what AT is capable of and it's apparent that when he doesn't play, something is seriously lacking.

But we can't say things would have gone differently. The Bears won and it was a good game.

[troggy]

kroener3535 said:

and take no offense Mizzou State fans....but your team is not anything special...

Depends on what you mean by special. Missouri State is very good. Personally, I think they may have the best chance to make a tournament run of any MVC team.

today u deserved to win the game...on a normal day with AT you lose by 15+

A ridiculous statement.

Todd

[teddyp00]

I agree. At this point what exactly is a normal day for UWM hoops? Getting beat by Wright St or whipping Cleveland St?

[mwu]

milwsport said:

The good

1) 6600 people show up on the coldest day we've had this winter and yell their lungs out
2) Jason Mc Coy
3) Outrebounding a taller team

should add the students to this list. best section we've had all year in my opinion. they got there early, first 3 rows were practically filled before the band was set up (thats an hour before tipoff). loud, rowdy, and raucous just how i like it. we were able to demostrate what a good section can do to influence the game, "0s bleeding!!". well as for the kid who tried to light up in the arena, clearly an amatuer. other than that great outing for the section i just wish the game would've turned out better for everyones sake.

[BBFran]

I thought Mo State played excellent, fundamentally sound basketball. They deserved to win the game. That said, the combination of Tigert (and Massiah's) absence and the fact the game was meaningless for UWM (while crucial for Mo State) was the difference. Not a knock on Mo State, but there's no way Adrian isn't about a 15 point net positive for UWM, especially against a team like the Bears with little inside presence.

Boo is our best player. Joah is our best known player. But Adrian is, without a doubt, our most essential player.

Anyway, I'll be rooting for Mo State because I really like the way they played ball. They could easily surprise someone in the first round again.

[milwsport]

damasa said:

milwsport said:

Apparently some people don't understand don't understand the words "could have won " and "should have won" when in the context of a BB game.

"Could have won" - was not overmatched and clearly had an opportunity to win.

"Should have won" - missed layups, didn't take care of the ball, didn't follow a clear game plan, didn't make good choices in selecting which shot to launch.

Also apparently some people don't understand the problems you face when losing your best rebounder, third leading scorer, assist leader AND his main back up for a game.

MO State doesn't suck, they are on the same level as UW-M, a high mid major, with a good team capable of competing with most of the majors on any given night.

Apparently, some people meet kettle on a regular basis.

Again, we "could have won" but I don't "should have won" should come out of any person's mouth. The Bears handled UWM from jump. They executed well, forced many turnovers and played great defense.

Oh, and they also missed many easy shots and a few from the stripe. This isn't a game of "what ifs" because if it is well than it can go both ways. If we use it both ways well then we still "could have won" but we shouldn't have.

Let's blame the refs though because apparently every time we lose it's because of the refs

I'm not saying we lost because of the refs.
We SHOULD HAVE won because we should have played the kind of basketball we are more than capable of playing especially in front of a national TV audience. Had we done that we would have won