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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 13:10:18 GMT -6
...keep in mind that Ed McCants is a ex-convict. Did you know this? Did you know he was an underage boozer who beat up on somebody in an Evanston home? www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cle19.htmlHow do you feel about Bruce giving him a second chance? Was Jimmy Collins also wrong for giving McGee a second chance. I figured I'd post this here, because most UWM fans don't check out the UIC board where this topic is also being discussed. I contend that UWM fans are either ignorant (unaware of this situation) or hypocrites (for saying Collins was wrong for giving McGee a second chance)... good luck against BC today...believe it or not, I'm rooting for you guys.... |
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 13:25:05 GMT -6
I'm sure most of us have done a lot worse in regards to drinking, fighting, breaking the law, etc when we leave home and on our own for the first time in our lives. If I am correct, Ed was confronted first and even ended up hurt over the incident.
That was all long time ago. Ed has grown into a sincere, educated man. So don't be so quick to judge. You can't ruin our good mood today.
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 13:32:09 GMT -6
I'm not trying to ruin your good mood. I'm really just trying to get an answer from some of you "quick-to-judge" UWM fans who bashed Jimmy Collins for giving McGee a second chance after committing a crime. Yet, these same people never once mentioned how Bruce Pearl gave McCants a second chance after committing a crime.
And, the crime doesn't matter...it's almost the exact same situation. So how is Jimmy wrong, but Bruce was right in giving McCants a second chance?
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kkrazie
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if i really looked this good, id be rich like wally
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Post by kkrazie on Mar 19, 2005 13:40:08 GMT -6
I dont think the underage drinking thing even needs to be commented upon. All I have to say is he turned himself around. He could have easily dropped out of school due to the charges and let that be that, but fought back and helped guide his team to the second round of the NCAA'S.
GO PANTHERS!
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 13:43:23 GMT -6
Yeah, it's the almost the same situation.  Big D, If this is such a big deal about McCants, why are you just finding out about it now? McGee's rape is common knowledge because it's a serious crime. Getting in a fight? Not so serious. Some people are more deserving of a second chance than others. That's why I laughed my ass off at Iowa and the situation they were faced with Pierce. Alford and Iowa should've known what they were getting into. McCants got in a fight in college at a school with a strict no tolerance policy ... he never stuck his dick in an unwilling woman and claimed it was a "misunderstanding." Now if Bruce brought in a rapist or someone who had some other serious character flaws, I would have a problem with that. |
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 13:44:46 GMT -6
I am not sure what went on with McGee. All I know is we have all done stupid things in our lives.
If there is people on here bashing McGee over something similar then they are wrong.
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 13:47:16 GMT -6
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 13:53:32 GMT -6
Well, I agree with MQT, even though I'm sure this doesn't surprise UWM fans, as I'm pro-UIC.
McCants' fight wasn't just an ordinary fight....I've gotten in fights before without being charged with battery. McCants was charged with a crime, and that's it. Hack, is it only OK to give individuals charged with battery a second chance, because that's what it sounds like you're trying to say? If so, why is that OK?
My point is that you have two criminals, both charged with a crime, and both were dismissed from their schools, yet it's OK for Bruce to bring in a convict, but Jimmy is satan for doing something similar....
I'm glad Ed straightened himself out, and Bruce gave him that chance, but why is McGee not allowed that same chance under Jimmy?
I think you're way off here Hack....take off your UWM blinders....
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 14:05:28 GMT -6
Because I view rapists, along with child molesters, as one of the lowest forms scum on the earth. That's why I look at things differently.
I have never questioned Jimmy on giving guys second chances. I have commended Collins in the past for taking chances on Banks, Williams and Bailey when other schools wouldn't because of academics ... and now all three are graduating. I have never said someone shouldn't be given a second chance.
Now looking where the two players are ... McCants, probably the most well-spoken and intelligent player in the Horizon, and McGee, suspended for the season after walking out on his team ... I don't think I'm too far off that maybe some UIC fans are questioning why McGee was brought in.
After reading your posts about this on the UIC board, I'm just thinking you're a little too bitter that you didn't use this info to taunt McCants down at the Pavillion.
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Post by pnthr30 on Mar 19, 2005 14:13:01 GMT -6
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't McGee's charge a felony rape charge? So, you are saying that a misdemenor assault and battery charge and a felony rape charge (plead quilty) are the same thing? Given the choice, which one would you rather have on your record? I agree, that neither one is great, but lets be honest here, I think that the we all know that you would choose the former - 100% of the time. |
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 14:14:50 GMT -6
Dammit pnthr30, take off your UWM blinders!
;D
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 14:18:55 GMT -6
Wowowa? Rape? Com'on. There's no comparison nor tolerance for that vs. a little boozin & brawlin. Sorry UIC, but that is serious.
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 14:22:36 GMT -6
Well, my posts are directed more towards people who think Jimmy is wrong in giving guys second chances.
I understand your opinion, and I agree that rape is worse than fighting, but who's to say where the line is drawn as far as getting second chances, and who is right and wrong if they decide to give those chances?
Apparently, to you, you deserve a second chance if you are convicted of battery, but not for other crimes. But others, like myself, don't agree with that. So, who's right? I'm not saying Pearl did the wrong thing....what I'm saying is that how can you decide that Jimmy is immoral and not Bruce when there are no rules on this type of thing?
BTW, I'm not bitter at all....I am only able to attend about 2 games a year anyway since I live out of state, but it would've been nice to taunt him. But like I said on the UIC board, we'll just take it out on his little brother when he suits up (if he does).
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Post by UWMKrazie on Mar 19, 2005 14:27:35 GMT -6
Couple of points:
A: UIC fans are putting their feet in their mouths bringing this up and comparing it to McGee.
B: McCants went on to Pairs, TX at Junior College, proved himself as a standout player (#2 3 pt. shooter in the nation) and then he was recruited by UWM. McGee on the other hand was picked up immediately following the incident by Collins. Maybe he too should have gone on to JC first, and maybe he would've been able to handle playing for UIC for a full year.
C: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Ed also his class president in High School?
D: Underage drinking? C'mon, give me an f'n break.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Good try to kick us while we're riding high but things are just too great for us right now and we're living for the moment! Why don't you continue you're indepth research about the two players and start comparing who has more parking tickets and traffic violations!
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 14:30:22 GMT -6
Misdemeanor battery vs. felony rape? I think there's a start to "the line" ... convicted of a misdemeanor as opposed to a felony.
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