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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 14:32:01 GMT -6
I think it's ok he got a second chance too.
I agree with you that a rape charge is a little more serious than drinking and fighting.
You never really know what the situation is/was with McGee either. There is such a fine line in regards to that charge that is open of interpretation based on each incident. Based on that, I think it's ok for a second chance. In the end, he's just playing basketball.
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 14:32:34 GMT -6
B: McCants went on to Pairs, TX at Junior College, proved himself as a standout player (#2 3 pt. shooter in the nation) and then he was recruited by UWM. McGee on the other hand was picked up immediately following the incident by Collins. Maybe he too should have gone on to JC first, and maybe he would've been able to handle playing for UIC for a full year. A very good point. McCants went out and proved he deserved a second chance. |
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Post by UWMKrazie on Mar 19, 2005 14:36:09 GMT -6
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State vs Marcetteaus A McGee
Dane County Case Number 2002CF001733
Filing Date Case Type Case Status
Ascending Date Order
Descending Date Order
07-29-2002 Criminal Closed
Defendant Date of Birth Address
03-22-1984 2101 S Springfield St #1, % McGee, Chicago, IL 60623
Branch Id DA Case Number
17 02da011249
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Charge(s)
Count No. Statute Description Severity Disposition
1 940.225(3) 3rd Degree Sexual Assault Felony D Dismissed /Pr Motion
2 940.44(1) Intimidate Victim/Dissuade Reporting Misd. A Dismissed /De Motion
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Defendant Owes the Court: $ 0.00
Responsible Official Prosecuting Agency Prosecuting Attorney Defense Attorney
Martin, James L District Attorney Hayward, Gretchen L Eisenberg, Stephen J
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Defendant
Defendant Name Date of Birth Sex Race 1
McGee, Marcetteaus A 03-22-1984 Male African American
Address Address Updated On
2101 S Springfield St #1, % McGee, Chicago, IL 60623 07-29-2002
JUSTIS ID Finger Print ID
Defendant Attorney(s)
Attorney Name GAL Entered
Eisenberg, Stephen J No 07-29-2002
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Charge(s)/Sentence(s)
The Defendant was charged with the following offense:
Count No. Statute Cite Description Severity Offense Date Plea
1 940.225(2)(a) 2nd Degree Sexual Assault/Use of Force Felony BC 07-25-2002
Amended on 05-21-2003 to:
Statute Cite Description Severity Offense Date Plea
940.225(3) 3rd Degree Sexual Assault Felony D 07-25-2002 Guilty on 05-07-2003
On 05-07-2003 there was a finding of:
Action Court Official
Deferred pros/sent Higginbotham, Paul B
Agreement fulfilled on 05-21-2004
On 05-21-2004 there was a finding of:
Action Court Official
Dismissed /Pr Motion Martin, James L
The Defendant was charged with the following offense:
Count No. Statute Cite Description Severity Offense Date Plea
2 940.44(1) Intimidate Victim/Dissuade Reporting Misd. A 07-25-2002
On 05-07-2003 there was a finding of:
Action Court Official
Dismissed /De Motion Higginbotham, Paul B
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Total Receivables
Court Assessments Adjustments 3 Paid to the Court Probation/Other Agency Amount 4 Balance Due to Court Due Date 5
$ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 14:39:08 GMT -6
I guess it's pointless to discuss this here, so this will be my last post in this thread. It is clear that you guys are blinded by your own success. You trash other teams for doing things, and everything remotely questionbale done by UWM is OK, because it brings you success.
Jimmy's wrong for illegally recruiting Jimmy Collins, but he was cleared....yet Bruce Pearl illegally tapes a phone conversation, and he is right. Classic case #1 of being blinded by your success. You're willing to look past Bruce's mistakes because of what he's done for your program.
Jimmy gives McGee a second chance and this is wrong, wrong, wrong....but Bruce gives a second chance to McCants (a criminal regardless of what you say he's done in the past...I don't care if he was high-school president), and everything is OK because battery isn't serious. Maybe it helps that McCants is player of the year and Bruce is coach of the year, and you guys won a tourney game....so you can look past that right?
C'mon guys....take off the blinders. I'm not saying we're saints, but you are using no logic when defending your points....it's just, "We're UWM, so everything we do is the right thing."
Good luck today....see ya later.
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Post by Hack on Mar 19, 2005 14:43:15 GMT -6
Honestly, Big D, what were you expecting to get from us?
I think everyone here pretty much made some valid points, yet just because we didn't agree with you, you said we had "blinders" on.
There's a lot of logic in these posts, you just don't want to see it because you came here with an agenda and that you have your "UIC blinders" on.
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 14:50:33 GMT -6
UIC,
How can you put all of us in one category .."you guys"?
Per my last email in regards to your email, it seems we or at least most of us Panther fans on here agree with everything that has been said. ?
What am I missing? Or are you trying to stir up chat?
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 14:51:32 GMT -6
the only people showing any logic are MQT and myself.
i respect the opinions of others, but you're not using logic....here is a summary of some of the arguments I've seen here...
a) McGee doesn't deserve a second chance because rape is more serious than battery. And people who have committed battery deserve a second chance....
this is opinion, not logic....this is not a valid argument for Jimmy being immoral and McGee not deserving a second chance, and Bruce being moral for giving McCants a second chance.
b) McCants deserves a second chance because he proved he deserved one by going to a community college first?
I don't agree with this. Just because a player goes to community college and stays out of trouble for 1 semester, he's OK? Maybe instead of jail, all criminals should be sent to JUCO for rehabilitation...then they deserve a second chance. Couldn't McGee have displayed good behavior for the same time period outside of JUCO and deserve a second chance? Or does this display of good behavior have to happen in JUCO?
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 14:54:51 GMT -6
I understand your opinion, and I agree that rape is worse than fighting, but who's to say where the line is drawn as far as getting second chances, and who is right and wrong if they decide to give those chances?. I don't understand how this thread got so long? I think most of us here think it's OK he got a second chance. I don't understand what UIC is stiring over? |
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 14:55:20 GMT -6
UIC, How can you put all of us in one category .."you guys"? Per my last email in regards to your email, it seems we or at least most of us Panther fans on here agree with everything that has been said. ? What am I missing? Or are you trying to stir up chat? MQT, a lot of these posts I miss while I'm writing one up, so my points are not directed towards you....I see that you're being fair in this situation and so you're not one of the people being blinded by success. Apparently, you have not been brainwashed by Pearl and Co. Again, it's important to remember that I'm not saying Bruce is wrong (I have no problem with a player getting a second chance)....I'm just trying to say that some UWM fans really shouldn't be saying that Jimmy is wrong but then not care about this McCants thing just because battery's not serious (that's pure opinion).... |
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 14:57:56 GMT -6
I don't understand how this thread got so long? I think most of us here think it's OK he got a second chance. I don't understand what UIC is stiring over? I'm not so sure about that MQT...how long have you been really following the UWM fans' feelings regarding the McGee situation. It sounds like you're the only one so far who thinks it's ok for McGee to get a second chance. |
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 14:59:46 GMT -6
And besides, think about this "second chance"... to play basketball at a mid major school. It's not like that is giving him a million dollars, or giving him a job at a women's clinic. I don't think it's a big deal for him to get a chance to play basketball (without pay) for a mid major (albeit very good mid major) school. Oh yea..PLEASE don't call me MQT (even though I know typing out my full screen name is tedious).  |
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 15:02:50 GMT -6
And besides, think about this "second chance"... to play basketball at a mid major school. It's not like that is giving him a million dollars, or giving him a job at a women's clinic. I don't think it's a big deal for him to get a chance to play basketball (without pay) for a mid major (albeit very good mid major) school. Oh yea..PLEASE don't call me MQT (even though I know typing out my full screen name is tedious). Fair enough MQTGoldenChickens (how bout MQTGC?)....just don't call me UIC....call me Big D.....I'm not sure all UIC fans agree with me anyway (well, they probably do) |
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Post by mqtgoldenchickens on Mar 19, 2005 15:04:05 GMT -6
Ok, UIC, take a breather. Relax. Bruce Pearl doesn't have anything to do with what gets typed on here. That whole thing with the recruits is another subject. Both guys are great coaches and probably BOTH stepped a little too far outside the box at one time. But anyway, we are not one giant group brainwashed by a coach who probably never seen this website.
Like I said, I think most of us are on the same page with the McGee thing. And for those that aren't, who cares?
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Post by UWMKrazie on Mar 19, 2005 15:09:15 GMT -6
Big D, you fail to make the logic here. All you're doing is showing that 2 players have "criminal" records. All criminal records are not equal, thus the word "Felony" following McGee's. I'm sure if I could run a records search for every player on UIC and UWM I'd find some other records they all have.
The fact is that Pearl did not immediately jump on McCants right after he left NW. Ed had to take a big step down in programs, proved himself, then made it back up to a lead player in an NCAA tournament team. Collins however stepped in immediatly after the McGee situation and took him in...which implies "It's ok, that wasn't a big deal, you were suspended from there, but we don't care about what you did I just want you to play for me"
McGee isn't even an issue anymore. He has not dedication to your team.
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Post by PhoenixFan22 on Mar 19, 2005 15:12:05 GMT -6
My God this is a stupid thing to be discussing at a time like this! The Panthers are in the midst of their most successful season and I for one am happy for them. I think that both players deserve the second chances they got. And BigD, there's no reason talking about the Pearl/Collins feud, because no matter what anyone says, that feud is still gonna be there. That has nothing to do with giving players second chances. Now why don't we all just drop this and cheer on Milwaukee tonight.
BTW, wouldn't you rather have the chance to oust a different Golden Eagles team from the tourney? Those Marquette wimps need to grow a pair and start facing UW schools other than Madison. They're just scared because they know that Wade and Diener have been Crean's only good recruits and they are not as good as some ignorant people think they are. Go Panthers tonight!
GO PHOENIX WOMEN!
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