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Post by nighthawk on Mar 4, 2008 10:22:04 GMT -6
Don't make an effort for Moss. Actually, my dad, who lives in Green Bay, informed me last night that the Packers were actually one step away from landing Moss. They had offerred him the $10 million/year for 3 years. Moss was willing to come to Green Bay. All that was left was a guarantee from the Packers that Favre would play two more years. Obviously, that didn't work out as planned. My dad got this from the AP in GB. Right....the AP always has it 100% right. Never makes a mistake. Especially if your dad lives in Green Bay. Nevermind that Buss Cook (Moss and Favre's agent) said that the Packers never even called. The AP and people in Green Bay know the REAL truth. Here's some more relevant info from ProFootballTalk.com: EAGLES LOST MOSS "AT THE WIRE"We've heard from several readers today about reports in Philly from Gcobb.com and the radio host at WIP who hates us that the Eagles made a run at signing receiver Randy Moss. We've looked into it, and it is 100 percent true. The following explanation is based on our discussions with multiple league sources. The Eagles, as reported elsewhere, offered a higher annual average than the Patriots. The Eagles also offered more guaranteed money than did the Pats. But it was a day of high drama. The process went back and forth between the Eagles and the Patriots. At one point, the Eagles thought they had him. Then, it looked like the Pats had him. Then the Eagles. Then the Patriots. One source said that the Pats won Moss "at the wire." Moss, as we're told, was afraid to leave a place where he's happy after being unhappy for so many years before that. The Eagles, as we understand it, knew that Moss was inclined to return to New England but decided to be aggressive. And we greatly admire the Eagles for trying. Our good friends in Philly would have been elated with such a move -- and they should be happy that their team tried so hard to get a guy who could have had as big of an impact as Terrell Owens did in 2004, if not bigger. The next question becomes whether this prompts the Eagles to re-double their efforts to pry receiver Larry Fitzgerald away from the Cardinals. There has been plenty of chatter about the Eagles trying to pull off a trade, and after getting so close to securing Moss there likely could be an increase groundswell of support for the franchise to do whatever is necessary to land a guy who in time could be every bit as good as Moss. ----------- I don't see Slingblade's name in there anywhere, do you?
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Post by bball30 on Mar 4, 2008 10:29:57 GMT -6
Wow Hawk, settle down a bit. You do rip the guy for everything he does, yet, they were a game from the Super Bowl last season. Like it or not, he's part of the reason they got that far. I understand and respect you have strong opinions, but it's just coming off as being an angry guy.
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Post by gopanthers011 on Mar 4, 2008 10:35:03 GMT -6
Wow Hawk, settle down a bit. You do rip the guy for everything he does, yet, they were a game from the Super Bowl last season. Like it or not, he's part of the reason they got that far. I understand and respect you have strong opinions, but it's just coming off as being an angry guy. He has every right to be upset. I would be too if I was a Packer fan. You go a game away from the Super Bowl the year before, but you don't do anything in free agency to get over the hump? Something isn't right. It's like they trust a rookie will help them get to the promise land. Doubtful.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 4, 2008 10:36:12 GMT -6
Read Ted Thompson's press release on packers.com. It's patently obvious from this statement that he didn't want Brett back next year, and is more likely than not happy as hell he retired. He'll be happy until Rodgers gets hurt the third game of the year.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 4, 2008 10:40:08 GMT -6
Wow Hawk, settle down a bit. You do rip the guy for everything he does, yet, they were a game from the Super Bowl last season. Like it or not, he's part of the reason they got that far. I understand and respect you have strong opinions, but it's just coming off as being an angry guy. He has every right to be upset. I would be too if I was a Packer fan. You go a game away from the Super Bowl the year before, but you don't do anything in free agency to get over the hump? Something isn't right. It's like they trust a rookie will help them get to the promise land. Doubtful. Who would you have liked them to far over pay for this FA season? Nobody out there was worth the money they were demanding. Not to mention, FA has been going on for what, a few days?! You guys are probably right though, just rush out and throw millions of dollars at the first medicore talent/big name that comes walking down the street. Nobody is banking on rookies either, I have no idea where you got that, but what "rookies" are TT depending on for next season?
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Post by gopanthers011 on Mar 4, 2008 10:46:30 GMT -6
He has every right to be upset. I would be too if I was a Packer fan. You go a game away from the Super Bowl the year before, but you don't do anything in free agency to get over the hump? Something isn't right. It's like they trust a rookie will help them get to the promise land. Doubtful. Who would you have liked them to far over pay for this FA season? Nobody out there was worth the money they were demanding. Not to mention, FA has been going on for what, a few days?! You guys are probably right though, just rush out and throw millions of dollars at the first medicore talent/big name that comes walking down the street. Nobody is banking on rookies either, I have no idea where you got that, but what "rookies" are TT depending on for next season? Personally, I am glad they didn't make any moves as I am a fan of a division foe. I get the rookies thing because the Packers didn't really make any "big" moves that would get them over the hump and into the Super Bowl thus resulting in drafting rookies to get them there.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 4, 2008 10:50:19 GMT -6
Regardless of who you are a fan of, the FA market this year was trash, and overpaid at that. It's not as easy as "Oh, we like this guy, come sign with us!" You have to keep in mind that GM's, agents, players, and so on, know FAR more than what anyone on talk radio or "insiders" know. The man played since '92, the time was coming. You have to remember, this is a business, not just something fun to do on the weekends.
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Post by gopanthers011 on Mar 4, 2008 10:56:38 GMT -6
Regardless of who you are a fan of, the FA market this year was trash, and overpaid at that. It's not as easy as "Oh, we like this guy, come sign with us!" You have to keep in mind that GM's, agents, players, and so on, know FAR more than what anyone on talk radio or "insiders" know. The man played since '92, the time was coming. You have to remember, this is a business, not just something fun to do on the weekends. I don't know if it was really trash, but I will agree with you on the fact that it was overpaid. You have to be willing to spend money though to win championships. And yes, I know that GM's, agents, players, and so on, know FAR more than what anyone on talk radio or "insiders" know and that it's a business. It's a business where you basically have to be willing to spend money.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 4, 2008 11:00:39 GMT -6
BBall30: What good does $35 million is salary cap room do a football team? Ted Thompson treats his salary cap money as if they're rollover minutes on a cell phone plan. He thinks they'll just keep accumulating every year and by 2011 he'll have $139 million in salary cap room. It's farcical.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 4, 2008 11:01:17 GMT -6
Yes, and you are right in all of that, you do have to spend money. BUT, what seperates teams is HOW they spend that money. You can't argue results, no matter who is doing what, and for what reason, you can't argue results. Fact remains, TT's team was a play away from the Super Bowl last season. Criticize if you must, but give credit where credit is due. Ted hasn't disappointed yet. The team he built had the ball with opportunities to score when it mattered, and they simply came up short. Speculation just doesn't make sense in these situations.
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Post by bball30 on Mar 4, 2008 11:03:22 GMT -6
BBall30: What good does $35 million is salary cap room do a football team? Ted Thompson treats his salary cap money as if they're rollover minutes on a cell phone plan. He thinks they'll just keep accumulating every year and by 2011 he'll have $139 million in salary cap room. It's farcical. Sitting on money isn't the best option, no. Again, you can't argue results. It's a business of Wins and Losses! His teams win. Good coaching wins. NOT cap room.
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Post by jhart05temp on Mar 4, 2008 11:04:49 GMT -6
So Hawk, you don't think the Packer receivers were any good last year? Sure Moss could have improved that, I won't deny that. It's the off the field stuff I don't want him teaching this young group of receivers. Also, it's way too early to call Justin Harrell a fat-1st round bust. See what happens this year, maybe you do end up being right. One example, take a look at Trevor Pryce. Did just about nothing his first year as well. Now he's been to a few pro bowls.
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Post by uwm97 on Mar 4, 2008 11:05:07 GMT -6
Asante Samuel would have been a good addition as Harris and Woodson don't have many years left and he's one of the best corners in the league. They've needed a guard since Wahle left, and Fanacea was available. They haven't had a good TE since Chmura retired, and Crumpler was available. Need I continue?
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Post by gopanthers011 on Mar 4, 2008 11:06:42 GMT -6
We all know that for most of the teams, if not maybe all, a successful is getting to the Super Bowl, if not winning it. So where do you give credit to people who didn't succeed?
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Post by jhart05temp on Mar 4, 2008 11:07:54 GMT -6
Yes, and you are right in all of that, you do have to spend money. BUT, what seperates teams is HOW they spend that money. You can't argue results, no matter who is doing what, and for what reason, you can't argue results. Fact remains, TT's team was a play away from the Super Bowl last season. Criticize if you must, but give credit where credit is due. Ted hasn't disappointed yet. The team he built had the ball with opportunities to score when it mattered, and they simply came up short. Speculation just doesn't make sense in these situations. Exactly. The Packers were burned by bad FA signings in the past. Joe Johnson comes to mind right off the top of my head. So go throw some money at guys like him, so you don't have any money under the cap to re-sign Jennings or Hawk or Bennett. No.
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