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Post by Anonymous Quokka on Feb 12, 2023 20:47:29 GMT -6
Side note, though, y'all better hope SRT never gets proven right because I don't think he'd let anyone live it down at this point...
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Post by mattg on Feb 12, 2023 21:32:43 GMT -6
What a clown response. Just because you can't see something painfully obvious and resorted to singularly using BPM to claim that Bol, Rand, and JJ are 3 of our best players (already that's going to be a limitation of BPM reliability as a stat due to their limited mins and small team role). You then take it a step further and try and say that because of that BPM, these guys should be sharing the court at the same time, something that just doesn't make sense. None of the guys have complementary skill sets and in Rand and Bol's case, are redundant in what they bring to the table and the spots on the court they want to occupy (aka where do you put Rand offensively if Bol is playing alongside him? Either he is also in the paint and then it's totally congested and its harder for both to finish at the hoop and our guards can't drive...or he floats outside where he is ignored and his man is in the paint anyway).
Also, what I'm telling you lines up with exactly what Lundy and the coaching staff are doing en route to turning the program around and leading us to our best season since the Pearl era, maybe that should tell you something and that you're not onto some silver bullet strategy that the coaches are oblivious to.
Further, it's not about "being smarter" than Bart Torvik, I'm not saying the stats are incorrect calculated, it's a mathematical formula. What I'm saying is that all stats have limitations, and need context, and that is what you are not understanding. For example, NBA PER (another all encompassing metric based on box score stats) rates Mark Williams, Thomas Bryant, Andre Drummond, and Clint Capela ahead of Devin Booker, Bam Adebayo, Paul George, and Pascal Siakam, among others. It turns out that one of the most well known limitations of the all in one box score based stats is that big men who play a limited role and generally lower minutes grade out VERY WELL due to the nature of their game. Usually very high FG% due to only attempting dunks/layups as a play finisher, guys who get rebounds are LOVED by these stats, and blocks/steals weigh heavily as well. And then because the stats get extrapolated out to a per100 basis, all the box score stats get unreliably inflated for these guys because in reality, they cannot effectively play bigger minutes due to conditioning/foul issues (which also would lead to decrease in actual box score production).
Are you the son of one of our coaches? Because you seem to know everything. Or are you maybe dating one of our Guards? Because your skewed and biased view of our Bigs, who apparently all suck in every way outside of BPM, while our Guards can do no wrong to you since you never critique them in any way, is the true clown show here. Btw, in part-time minutes yet again, Rand led all Panther scorers in a game when we severely needed it, shooting 7-9, with 2 Assists, and pulling down 6 boards (he's such a terrible rebounder lol). Again, all done in part-time minutes - just 22 in regulation I believe - making him easily the most productive and efficient player on the court offensively - and I don't even need to look it up. Not to mention I'm sure we can all guess where his post D would rank. If you actually were as smart as you think you are, you would at least suggest that Rand deserves more of Bol and Johnson's minutes, instead of ripping on him and attacking me. But carry on, kiddo, I can't wait to hear more! What did you want out of this thread? Everyone to come in here like "whoa, dude you're a genius! if only Bart and the staff had you to tell them who to play we would be undefeated and running everyone over! You're so smart"? Because that's how it comes across. "Like OMG guys why are the coaches not playing 3 of our best 6 players much at all? Why are they so oblivious to this one wonder stat that it's leaving wins on the table?!"
Your premise is literally some ultra basic stuff. We're talking basic minute/rest management, foul management, basic floor spacing, and not playing guys with redundant skill sets who occupy the same places on the court without ability to operate anywhere else. I don't think there's anything else to discuss, you clearly don't understand basic basketball concepts and the limitations/shortfalls of the stats you're trying to cite to make your point.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Feb 12, 2023 22:24:49 GMT -6
Actually, I do understand basic basketball concepts. What I wanted was a discussion. But clearly you don't know how to partake in one when you disagree with someone.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 12, 2023 22:42:04 GMT -6
Actually, I do understand basic basketball concepts. What I wanted was a discussion. But clearly you don't know how to partake in one when you disagree with someone. Brah theres 3 pages of discussion where literally everyone tells you why this is bad and why they havent even tried it. Did you not see Rand airball that 3 last night? what part of that makes you think he can play the 4?
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Post by PantherU on Feb 12, 2023 23:02:47 GMT -6
I will say this: if the Vin Baker we got last night shows up the rest of the season, you absolutely can play Rand and Bol at the same time.
I wouldn't really want to, because our offense runs and it would all but grind to a halt with two bigs on the floor like that, but in certain situations I could see it working.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 13, 2023 17:15:45 GMT -6
I will say this: if the Vin Baker we got last night shows up the rest of the season, you absolutely can play Rand and Bol at the same time. I wouldn't really want to, because our offense runs and it would all but grind to a halt with two bigs on the floor like that, but in certain situations I could see it working. That Vin Baker should just play with Rand or Bol more and likely he will going foward without browning. Vin can actually make a jumper and bounce the ball on the floor. Hes also much more active on the perimeter and able to switch somewhat.
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Post by TBone on Feb 13, 2023 23:34:58 GMT -6
Except Vin is the second worst player on the team according to the stats that "say" Bol, Rand and/or Johnson should be playing at the same time. Miszkiewicz is far better than him...
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Feb 26, 2023 11:16:52 GMT -6
Well we can put this to bed after last night cant we? I thought i was at high school game the way we rolled out two seniors whove played alot this year on senior night. Bart needs to lose the D2 tendencies this aint intermurals brother, as much as playing in an intermural gym thursday could confuse you.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Feb 28, 2023 4:50:31 GMT -6
Well we can put this to bed after last night cant we? I thought i was at high school game the way we rolled out two seniors whove played alot this year on senior night. Bart needs to lose the D2 tendencies this aint intermurals brother, as much as playing in an intermural gym thursday could confuse you. Haha you're such a clown poster, I love it. Please, pretty please keep posting about this in here, as I doubt I'm alone in loving the comedic takes from several of you basketball genuises in this thread - and I doubt I'm alone!
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Mar 4, 2023 13:48:54 GMT -6
Hahaha, for basically the entire Quarterfinal game against WSU we played 2 bigs the entire game, and it made us dominate both ends of the court! And for the record, it was our first time all season doing it, not counting the start of Senior Night. Here's the important part...... I'm so glad to see that Bart Lundy knew FAR more than the 3 of you blowhards in this thread ("Reginaldkdwight", "Mattg", and "GhostofPBJ"), who all insisted in arguing with me for three long pages about playing 1 big instead of 2, because you think all of our bigs suck. So, I guess so much for your delusional thoughts on "our offensive spacing can't possibly work with 2 bigs on the floor!" I guess we all know who understands the game of basketball more at this point, LOL Mattg, Ghostofpbj, and Reginaldkdwight officially don't know a thing about CBB, despite posting incessantly posting every day like they do. And I bet they still won't stop lol. So buyer beware!
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 4, 2023 15:15:55 GMT -6
"Why the weird refusal to play Rand & Bol at the same time?" Thats the name of YOUR thread ya goofball. No where in your entire post do you bring up playing JJ and Rand together. Its cool JJ and Rand worked against WSU, but youre acting like you were calling for JJ to get more burn when your entire point was playing two "elite" shotblockers in Bol and Rand.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Mar 4, 2023 17:00:47 GMT -6
Haha whatever excuse you want to tell yourself to be right about this issue, you goofball child who doesn't know basketball
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Mar 4, 2023 17:44:43 GMT -6
Oh, and thanks for proving me and everyone right about you, Reginald.
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Post by TBone on Mar 4, 2023 21:21:15 GMT -6
They played a bit of 2 bigs the game before as well.
Rand and Bol are a mess on the court together. Jalen worked very well playing more of a 4 with either Rand or Bol.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Mar 4, 2023 21:58:36 GMT -6
They played a bit of 2 bigs the game before as well. Rand and Bol are a mess on the court together. Jalen worked very well playing more of a 4 with either Rand or Bol. Yes, Jalen is more of a 4 than a 5. When he was asked to play the 5 this year, he struggled big time. Rand and Bol are definitely more comfortable in the 5 position. The difference between Rand/Bol and Rand/Jalen is big.
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