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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 20, 2022 17:53:59 GMT -6
Germantown was 10-16 and stopped recruiting talent it seems. PBS is actually the perfect candidate.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 20, 2022 18:00:56 GMT -6
Germantown was 10-16 and stopped recruiting talent it seems. PBS is actually the perfect candidate. I didn't realize the bloom was off that rose. Perhaps you're right, FTA. |
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Post by steveisback on Mar 20, 2022 18:32:49 GMT -6
A plethora of interesting comments. Here are some random thoughts in relation:
*Paul, you cut through to the chase with a lazer beam. The fact of AB sending the band and the cheerleaders etal to the KC while we were playing downtown in a HL tourney game speaks legions...
Fran, I think you know she will never do that especially at the upcoming forum. That being said in virtually all cases would say dont go there and put a downer on the pressy but in this case I can actually see it as warranted due to the extreme damage she did the way she handled the firing of Jeter, handling of donors and other lies and obfuscations. I am not sure it would truly in any event totally convince a lot of people including myself as it would likely be another lie. Just dont see her having a catharsis other than going to confession with you as the Priest. I bet the absolution would be 10 Hail Jeters and get out of town!!!! Or burn her at the stake which I think a lot of us would....ok will stop there but.....One can dream ...
*In all fairness if she is going to apologize for the last two lousy hires apart from the fact that she apparently hired Otzenberger but was torpedoed by Mone, not sure of that ..but sure sounds plausible then the blame also goes back 16 years to Haidet for hiring an assistant with no head coaching experieince and went contrary to the exact model which he had success with previously. Case in point, his overall record including Western Ill is 207-200 over 13 years....he was ONE game over 500 against D 1 opponents at UWM over 11 years. Obvious his d 1 only over the 13 years is under 500. These are facts....not opinions...agree that we got worse after moving on and that is totally on Braun . But this fairy tale that whenhe left we were on the verge of this magical unbelievable roster and there was such a multitude of loving followers...it was a lot of MEH. The MEH followed Pearl and blew our chances for a big opportunity to drive this thing higher and to a better conference.
That was screwed up before Braun and she just put the last nail in the coffin. 11 years wasted in purgatory and then she drove us across the Rubicon.. My thoughts are at this point, Forget the Alamo, move on...have some fun and optimism rather than staying in a quicksand of bitterness and throwing a wet blanket on everything going forward as that aspect of being right and getting the last word is bigger than success of UWM . Braun screwed the pooch but the pooch had 11 years of foreplay before the final f...
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Post by chipanthers45 on Mar 20, 2022 18:36:12 GMT -6
More so talking about your idiotic claim that he will never work in college basketball again and didn't have the resume to coach Germantown HS. I am not a huge fan of hiring Power 5 assistants, but let's not act like it doesn't happen literally all the time. Many guys are great recruiters/assistants, get their first head coaching job off that and turn out to be terrible head coaches. There's a reason why I love the Lundy hire so much. I don't believe he will, unless his alma mater brings him back to his old job doing laundry. If you actually believe that you truly do not understand college basketball lol |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 20, 2022 18:42:50 GMT -6
I don't believe he will, unless his alma mater brings him back to his old job doing laundry. If you actually believe that you truly do not understand college basketball lol What do you believe he is qualified to do? I'm still waiting for an answer... Ric Cobb never coached again after he flamed out, so it isn't unprecedented. |
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Post by chipanthers45 on Mar 20, 2022 18:51:45 GMT -6
If you actually believe that you truly do not understand college basketball lol What do you believe he is qualified to do? I'm still waiting for an answer... Be an assistant coach??? His 20 years of doing so kind of prove that don't ya think??? He stunk as a head coach, but he didn't get the job and work his way up to being a power 5 assistant just by being a nice guy. |
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Post by chipanthers45 on Mar 20, 2022 18:56:23 GMT -6
If you actually believe that you truly do not understand college basketball lol Ric Cobb never coached again after he flamed out, so it isn't unprecedented. Not counting Bacari who had some other things going on, look at recent HL coaches that got fired. Even though they weren't great head coaches, after getting fired they got assistant jobs at better schools. If PBS wants to coach, he will coach, and i'm sure he'll do a fine job as an assistant. Just wasn't cut out to be a head coach. |
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 20, 2022 20:39:36 GMT -6
I bet the absolution would be 10 Hail Jeters... Literally LOL! This perfectly compliments my recent reference to him as "St. Rob"!  |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 20, 2022 21:40:00 GMT -6
Why does "jmartin" act like no one is aware of the practice facility? Everyone here is well aware of it, and has been for quite some time. jmartin...J Martin...Klotsche. Maybe Joe has come back from beyond the grave to post on a message board. Because the poster named "BBFran" is propagating a narrative that men's basketball isn't a priority. The new practice facility for the basketball program contradicts his narrative Actually, it doesn't. When we originally passed the segregated fee - students approved it with lobbying from George Koonce, Rob Jeter, myself and many others - it was a dedicated $25 segregated fee per full-time student specifically to build an on-campus basketball arena for the men's basketball program (obviously WBB and volleyball would play there as well, but there were no concerns about the Klotsche Center as it stood for those teams). That fee, over 25 years, was projected to collect roughly $25 million, which would have probably bought us a decent enough 4-6k arena upgrade for the KC on campus. Nothing special, but at least a D-I arena. In 2012-13, with the sleepy Andy Geiger driving us into oncoming traffic, we all learned - and plenty already knew - that the Klotsche Center as it stood would be a disaster of a home for the basketball program. I sat in the stands and watched season ticket holder after season ticket holder come in and berate poor Brian Morgan for the awful choice of moving to the Klotsche Center. So when AB took control of the program, every single one of us told her we needed to move back downtown. She isn't an idiot, so she made the obvious move. The year after, the university took the advice of some slick huckster to buy the naming rights so people would think we owned the place. One thing that was absent in the 2013-14 school year was the $25 segregated fee. Amanda Braun and the athletic department, recognizing that the fee was no longer viable as we didn't need an on-campus arena, negotiated with the university to postpone the fee for the 2013-14 year in order for it to be reworked as an athletics facilities fee. Now, on the surface that sounds like no big deal, right? Now we're able to use the seg fee money for a basketball practice facility. Except it wasn't a basketball facilities fee, it was an athletics facilities fee. So that money went to upgrade a baseball diamond that we've since abandoned and was never more important to improve than basketball anyways, and it can be used for a bunch of other things. So the segregated fee, which would still projected to be over $20 million by its end even though student enrollment has cratered, is now getting divided among a bunch of different slices of the pie - not just basketball. This is what ghostofdylan is talking about when he's pushing for AB to recognize the primacy of men's basketball. Now, there's a little word there that you may have missed. I used the word "would" instead of "is," because the fee is no longer projected to be $20 million. You know why it's no longer projected to be that? Because Amanda Braun was unable to preserve the $25 segregated fee. It is now a $16 segregated fee for athletics facilities.For the price of a Qdoba burrito per semester, Amanda Braun gave up $18 per year, per full-time student to make it so she could spend the money on other programs - programs that are not the bellwether program of the university's athletics program, programs that are doing just fine in their current facilities. Are we so much better off because Engelmann Gym has turf in it for the soccer teams to practice inside? Why was it important for us to maintain the full $25 segregated fee for basketball facilities? Because we're building a basketball practice facility that will be one of the 2-3 best in the Horizon League. We could have been building a practice facility that would have been one of the best in the country, and with some support in donations (like OHOW) would have been on par with or better than VCU's Basketball Development Center. When talking to fans who didn't like Jeter, I would call it "Jeter-proofing" the program. No matter what your stance on any coach we've ever had, the fact of the matter is this practice facility could have been our ticket OUT of the Horizon League and INTO a better basketball conference. We could have joined VCU in having the best basketball practice facility in the Atlantic 10. We'd have a better practice facility than Marquette or Wisconsin, both of whom have practice set for their teams already so they wouldn't one-up us afterward. Instead we've got a building going up that is hopefully going to cement us as one of the best programs in the Horizon League. Yay. Here's the bullet points:- AB couldn't preserve two-fifths of a segregated fee, and students who saved the $18 per year never even cared for the spare change back in their pocket.
- AB diluted the potential for the segregated fee by making it so she could use it for other athletics programs that are not important enough.
- AB couldn't convince the state legislature to include the construction of the practice facility in the state budget year after year despite the fact that the taxpayers would have been paid back in full over time.
- AB finally got the ball rolling in her sixth year on campus and 9th year of the segregated fee only to have it be a shadow of what it could have been.Do you have any questions? |
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Post by jmartin on Mar 20, 2022 22:05:09 GMT -6
Thank you for the insight.
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Post by jmartin on Mar 20, 2022 22:52:04 GMT -6
I'm excited for Coach Lundy and the new practice facility even though the new practice facility is a smaller scale than initially envisioned.
The practice facility fills a vital need and should provide to be a valuable asset going forward.
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Post by PantherU on Mar 21, 2022 0:33:03 GMT -6
I'm excited for Coach Lundy and the new practice facility even though the new practice facility is a smaller scale than initially envisioned. The practice facility fills a vital need and should provide to be a valuable asset going forward. Yes. It’s still a big deal. I just wanted to make sure you knew the context so you wouldn’t expect us to throw a parade for AB over the practice facility. |
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Post by jmartin on Mar 21, 2022 6:41:19 GMT -6
I'm excited for Coach Lundy and the new practice facility even though the new practice facility is a smaller scale than initially envisioned. The practice facility fills a vital need and should provide to be a valuable asset going forward. Yes. It’s still a big deal. I just wanted to make sure you knew the context so you wouldn’t expect us to throw a parade for AB over the practice facility. I appreciate the context. I hope going forward that the fan base has an open mind towards Coach Lundy and welcomes him to UWM and doesn't hold the wrong doings of Amanda Braun against him because she hired him. I find the black and white thinking that some on this message board engage in as troublesome and problematic. For example, some posters on this message board propagate the idea that Bud Haidet was the perfect athletic director here and he was without any faults and that Amanda Braun is evil and she has never done anything positive as the athletic director. Both are simply not true. Haidet was the athletic director here from 1988 to 2009. Haidet hired Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl as head coaches here, and for that he should be applauded for, but Haidet also hired Ric Cobb and Rob Jeter as head coaches. At the time of Jeter's hire as the head coach, Jeter was an assistant coach without any head coaching experience and Haidet gave Jeter subsequent contract extensions without the results on the court to support the said contract extensions. Also, why didn't Haidet get a practice facility for basketball accomplished during his 21 years as the AD here? For example, from 2003 to 2006 the men's basketball team advanced to the NCAA tournament in 3 seasons out of 4 seasons including a Sweet Sixteen appearance in 2005. This time period presented a great opportunity to get a basketball practice facility fundraised and built, but Haidet didn't do so. I appreciate what Haidet did here as the AD and the hiring of Bo Ryan and Bruce Pearl were tremendous hires, but there's also room for legitimate criticism of Haidet. Amanda Braun has made many errors as the AD here and appears to be a deeply flawed leader. The way she handled the Jeter firing was disgraceful, her alienation of prominent boosters was awful, and her hiring of Pat Baldwin proved to be disastrous and set the program back years. However, Braun has done some good as well. Braun secured the naming rights to the UW-Milwaukee Panther Arena, got the practice facility for the basketball program finally built, and appears to have just hired a well respected and qualified head coach with 20 years of head coaching experience at the D1 and D2 levels who has an overall record of 433–189. It seems like if a poster mentions that Braun has done anything positive as the AD, some on this message board will brand this person as a shill for Braun or the athletic department. In my experience, life is lived in the grays and not in the black and white. The notion that everything that Haidet did as the AD was great and everything that Braun has done as the AD is horrible is disingenuous and frankly not true. My hope is that the fanbase, the students, the alumni and the community can have an open mind towards Coach Lundy and welcome him to UWM. Based on Coach Lundy's track record of success as a head coach, it appears that UWM is in a position to be a winner once again. |
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Post by steveisback on Mar 21, 2022 7:39:35 GMT -6
JMartin...I dont know you and believe you may be a recent addition to the board but your post above may be the single most fair and objective post I have seen here in a long time if not ever. I am ready to move on and have fun, support the program. Those who continue to want to dwell in bitterness and throw wet blankets at any chance, that is fine. The future is going to be with people like you. Can not change history, it is what it is and I think your post states it well without re litigating. I also give Jimmy a lot of credit for certainly he has reason to be bitter but is a bigger man than that and puts the love for the program above always having to be right, the smartest guy in the room having the last word.
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Post by reginaldkdwight on Mar 21, 2022 7:49:14 GMT -6
I still think the best place for Milwaukee games would be a filled Mecca. Place is awesome for hoops and if the team is good the fans will come back out pretty quickly. I was at a high school game with a couple 1000 people at it a few weeks ago. There are lots of hoops fans in the area, Lundy winning some games early next year will bring more and more fans out.
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