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Post by BBFran on Mar 5, 2022 10:53:15 GMT -6
Shay is 100 percent a crowd goes mild hire if that happens. I agree with this, even though I think it's also possible (although unlikely, given our circumstances) that he would be a good head coach in time. He's a career assistant but for that one aborted and mediocre year at ETSU. If not for his association with Pearl absolutely nobody on this board would have the slightest interest in him. And it's necessary to point out that Pearl left town one step ahead of the sheriff sixteen years ago. There's literally not a single undergraduate student on campus who has any memory of his association with UWM or gives a damn about him. If they even know who he is at all it's as the tubby guy with the snaggly gray beard at Auburn -- although the chances that UWM students are paying any attention to SEC games instead of the Big Ten is slim in itself. And some people here don't like to hear it, but hiring a Pearl associate would undoubtedly turn off as many or more alums, donors, etc. as it will attract them. Tell me how we can afford to make a hire that would automatically turn OFF any group considering the devastation Braun's terrible hiring and firing decisions have already caused to our fan base, when there are so many alternatives. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 5, 2022 11:06:41 GMT -6
With all due respect Fran, in the 12 years since I first set foot on campus, you are the only person who disparages Bruce Pearl that I've ever encountered. The only similiar encounter I've had was the counselor that helped me in the admissions office, who had nothing nice to say about Bo Ryan. She loved Bruce, though.
I think sometimes you forget that if were it not for BP, this program never has an ounce of relevance in D-1 basketball. Jeter would never been able to have the success that he had without the name recognition from Bruce's 4 seasons. So, as much as you'd like to pretend he was never here, you are in the extreme minority in that opinion. You are free to have it if you like.
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 5, 2022 11:07:13 GMT -6
Anyone know the story on this guy? Seems like a pretty solid record to have been fired after year 4.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 5, 2022 11:20:28 GMT -6
Shay is 100 percent a crowd goes mild hire if that happens. I agree with this, even though I think it's also possible (although unlikely, given our circumstances) that he would be a good head coach in time. He's a career assistant but for that one aborted and mediocre year at ETSU. If not for his association with Pearl absolutely nobody on this board would have the slightest interest in him. And it's necessary to point out that Pearl left town one step ahead of the sheriff sixteen years ago. There's literally not a single undergraduate student on campus who has any memory of his association with UWM or gives a damn about him. If they even know who he is at all it's as the tubby guy with the snaggly gray beard at Auburn -- although the chances that UWM students are paying any attention to SEC games instead of the Big Ten is slim in itself. And some people here don't like to hear it, but hiring a Pearl associate would undoubtedly turn off as many or more alums, donors, etc. as it will attract them. Tell me how we can afford to make a hire that would automatically turn OFF any group considering the devastation Braun's terrible hiring and firing decisions have already caused to our fan base, when there are so many alternatives. The same can be said about Jeter as well yet you constantly bring him up. He hasnt been the coach in 6 years and has basically zero impact on the program for any current undergraduates. |
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 5, 2022 12:11:01 GMT -6
Anyone know the story on this guy? Seems like a pretty solid record to have been fired after year 4. I know nothing about him, but my initial reaction is he followed Andy Enfield at a time that program was on an unprecedented high. Whoever we bring in at Milwaukee will come into a situation that is the complete opposite. |
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 5, 2022 12:17:43 GMT -6
If our list was limited to Prohm, McCollum, Darner, Henderson, and Shay, that would be a damn good list. I would be happy with any one of these, but will not get my hopes very high. Steve Prohm - I think he is too good for the Panther program. I expect a high major to come knocking on his door. Ben McCollum - Hard to say if he can parlay D2 coaching success at his alma matter to a D1 program that needs to rebuild from the ground up. He may be the hot commodity that will have several other programs attempt to woe him. Linc Darner - I doubt AB would seriously consider someone that departed her former employer and fellow conference member on bad terms. Eric Henderson - As others have noted, why would he take a lateral move to a more challenging program? A more prominent program will likely lure him. The attraction of coming "home" would have to require some urgent, special circumstance. Jason Shay - I would much rather prefer someone who has been a "winner" as a head coach. The program needs a salesman as much as a head coach. From the You Tube videos I watched, he does not present as well as the others. As has also been stated here, at least he once observed that first hand and should understand that is what it takes. My guess is that the hire will be Shay or more likely, someone we have not given any consideration to. My hope is one of the other four slip through the cracks and end up here. Having had another day to reflect, I want to modify my initial sentence. I would not be happy if the program hired Shay. He certainly did the honorable thing with the kneeling incident, but that does not do much for what it will take in our basketball program right now. Association with a "winner" and being a "winner" are two different things. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 5, 2022 12:24:28 GMT -6
Did I miss it FTA? Was one of Jeter’s assistants prominently promoted as a coaching candidate in this thread?
SOB, I guess we just don’t know the same people.
Bottom line: Shay is just a guy as a candidate; doesn’t even come close to the criteria most here are demanding. And fair or not he has unfortunate negatives. But who knows, maybe he’ll be the best candidate AB can get under the circumstances (meaning that she’ll be the AD a new coach has to work for).
Now if you can find a former Pearl assistant who has become a proven success as a college head coach and has done it the right way, let us all know and we can put him on the list.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 5, 2022 12:33:09 GMT -6
Did I miss it FTA? Was one of Jeter’s assistants prominently promoted as a coaching candidate in this thread? SOB, I guess we just don’t know the same people. Bottom line: Shay is just a guy as a candidate; doesn’t even come close to the criteria most here are demanding. And fair or not he has unfortunate negatives. But who knows, maybe he’ll be the best candidate AB can get under the circumstances (meaning that she’ll be the AD a new coach has to work for). Now if you can find a former Pearl assistant who has become a proven success as a college head coach and has done it the right way, let us all know and we can put him on the list. This part of Fran's argument is totally valid. Bruce has no "coaching tree" when it comes to head coaches. |
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 5, 2022 12:37:54 GMT -6
Did I miss it FTA? Was one of Jeter’s assistants prominently promoted as a coaching candidate Thankfully not. Though if Chad Boudreau was brought up, I'm sure there would be some doing the same as the Shay people are. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 5, 2022 12:44:37 GMT -6
Speaking of former coaches, for any here longing for the halcyon days of the LaVall Jordan era, I’d guess there’s at least a fair chance he’ll be available in the next couple weeks.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 5, 2022 12:48:06 GMT -6
Lavall seems no different than Baldwin. Had a bad year here and based on timing got a lucky/dream job. Once again, nice guy, not sure he is a good head coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 14:41:05 GMT -6
Remember we were talking about Austin Claunch? His salary is only $130,000 right now..
Anybody know anything about Chris Jans ($290,000) or Jack Perri? Maybe they wouldn't be a fit for Milwaukee. But their record certainly speaks for itself.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Mar 5, 2022 14:50:13 GMT -6
Anyone know the story on this guy? Seems like a pretty solid record to have been fired after year 4. I know nothing about him, but my initial reaction is he followed Andy Enfield at a time that program was on an unprecedented high. Whoever we bring in at Milwaukee will come into a situation that is the complete opposite. He didn't follow Enfield, Joe Dooley did. This Fly guy (lol) replaced Dooley. He was 55-59 in 4 seasons. |
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Post by motherofpearl on Mar 5, 2022 14:51:21 GMT -6
It would be a huge mistake to pick someone without head coaching experience.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Mar 5, 2022 14:59:30 GMT -6
I know nothing about him, but my initial reaction is he followed Andy Enfield at a time that program was on an unprecedented high. Whoever we bring in at Milwaukee will come into a situation that is the complete opposite. He didn't follow Enfield, Joe Dooley did. This Fly guy (lol) replaced Dooley. He was 55-59 in 4 seasons. My mistake. Seems like only four years since the Florida Gulf Coast run in the tourney. Time flies. |
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