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Post by mkehoops on Feb 10, 2022 10:37:21 GMT -6
The UW System Board of Regents understand the importance of college athletics. Its flagship program, the Wisconsin Badgers, are supported very well. There appears to be very little will among the UW System Board of Regents to support UW-Milwaukee Panthers athletics beyond its current state. I agree that they certainly could be doing a lot better to help Milwaukee but we're our worst enemy. This board always blames Marquette or Wisconsin when things go bad. But I saw an old conference rival (Butler) make the championship game 2 years in a row before eventually moving on to a better conference. I see another former conference member (Loyola) leave for a better conference and make the Final Four. Let’s point the finger at the individuals who have done nothing to improve our conference affiliation, the program, and have been unsuccessful in their roles. At most big-time schools, the AD's job security is centered around the success of their revenue-producing sports and the head coaching hires for each. Milwaukee shouldn't be different and needs a fresh start. Plenty of blame to go around, but there are two big differences in the schools you mentioned, they are both private institutions that don’t need to navigate the politics of being a state ran university. The fact that the state of Wisconsin only has one “flagship” university has always blown me away. Other than, Minnesota, are there any other neighboring states that only have one university that compete at the power 5 D1 level? The board of regents has consistently put UW-Madison first whether it is athletics or academics. |
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Post by JG Panthers on Feb 10, 2022 10:43:00 GMT -6
I agree that they certainly could be doing a lot better to help Milwaukee but we're our worst enemy. This board always blames Marquette or Wisconsin when things go bad. But I saw an old conference rival (Butler) make the championship game 2 years in a row before eventually moving on to a better conference. I see another former conference member (Loyola) leave for a better conference and make the Final Four. Let’s point the finger at the individuals who have done nothing to improve our conference affiliation, the program, and have been unsuccessful in their roles. At most big-time schools, the AD's job security is centered around the success of their revenue-producing sports and the head coaching hires for each. Milwaukee shouldn't be different and needs a fresh start. Nobody here is blaming Marquette, Wisconsin, or our league mates. There is a chain of command and accountability matters. Failures at every level... Board of Regents --> Chancellor --> Athletic Director --> Men's Basketball Coach Bill Johnson said it best:"UWM leads the world in incompetent administrators.
I criticize awful athletic directors like Koonce, Costello, Geiger, and Braun. It’s not their fault. Hell, if they elected me President I’d take the job. If I suck at it, it’s not my fault. I’m not qualified to be President.
Should Amanda Braun turn down an AD job just because she’s horribly under qualified? Hell no. She’s a bad AD, and a deplorable human being, but those are the cards she’s been dealt.
Those in charge of the UW System have failed to hire effective administrators. Failed. F F F F!" |
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2022 10:43:39 GMT -6
I'm 100% with davedome on this. And let me be blunt: if you propagate the myth that it's the state system that has hamstrung our program, you give complete cover to our local administrators for their gross incompetence and negligence. It's a perfect excuse for them: "Hey, it's not our fault that things have absolutely fallen apart here while we were in charge, it's all on our unnamed masters in the state system." Oh please. Keep up this conspiratorial myth and we'll end up with no change of any consequence.
Nobody on the Board of Regents is going to tell Mark Mone who the AD or the basketball coach should be.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 10, 2022 10:54:06 GMT -6
19 days until tony spills the t. Will it matter once Baldwin is gone? |
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2022 10:54:48 GMT -6
It's still morning and I'm 100% certain that the most astounding thing I'll hear all day not connected to politics is the idea that we should hire a Pat Baldwin assistant as our next head coach.  |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 10, 2022 10:55:41 GMT -6
For the interim, sure. I've got no issue with that. As far as our next hire, I don't want anyone without a proven track record of HEAD coaching success at any COLLEGE level. Let's just not go down the assistant road again. I'm hearing the road won't be the assistant lane. |
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2022 10:56:43 GMT -6
19 days until tony spills the t. Will it matter once Baldwin is gone? It very well could if it reveals things that the department has let slide. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 10, 2022 10:58:20 GMT -6
To everyone here: are you NOT madder than a wet hornet with what you witnessed last night and for most of the last five (or six) years? Staying in the present day, our performance last night was disgraceful and certainly not befitting a Division 1 program. Doesn't that make you say, "I'm not giving them another DIME (season-ticket purchases included) until this gets fixed?
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Post by BBFran on Feb 10, 2022 11:00:04 GMT -6
For the interim, sure. I've got no issue with that. As far as our next hire, I don't want anyone without a proven track record of HEAD coaching success at any COLLEGE level. Let's just not go down the assistant road again. I'm hearing the road won't be the assistant lane. From whom? People "hear" nonsense constantly from the internet and sports radio. If your source isn't direct from a senior department member who will still be there when the hire is made -- or in leadership on the Athletic board -- it's not worth repeating. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 10, 2022 11:06:31 GMT -6
I recall watching us play MSOE perhaps seven years ago and thinking, "Those poor saps! Not only are they unathletic, but they can't shoot worth a damn either!" During the second half last night, about a half-dozen times I had the same thought about US!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2022 11:10:29 GMT -6
To everyone here: are you NOT madder than a wet hornet with what you witnessed last night and for most of the last five (or six) years? Staying in the present day, our performance last night was disgraceful and certainly not befitting a Division 1 program. Doesn't that make you say, "I'm not giving them another DIME (season-ticket purchases included) until this gets fixed? Last night was incredibly depressing. We have to get better. I wish the team knew that if they simply started winning games the Arena would start gathering more and more people. It's probably too late now, but this season had all the makings of a renaissance for the Arena. A reunion of old Milwaukee Panther pals. A re-establishment of the place that used to hold a serious home-court advantage for the Panthers. We can't win a darn game.  6 games now and last night was insult to injury. I don't know who is to blame but the only way this ends good for all involved is if we go on a 4-game streak to win the HLT, and Baldwin Sr. gets a job at another uni or hangs it up with coaching altogether on a lucky good note and goes on to help his son pursue an NBA career. I just hate to see so much optimism completely evaporates. But that is exactly what has happened. PS: Newby and Hanc*** should get more shots; they are our future. PPS: Gholston, JT and PBJ need to figure out how to create shots for each other- too much 1-dimensoinal play when these 3 get the ball. PPPS: Coach should let our players practice as much as possible on the Arena floor if that is possible before or after games. We can't be this horrible at shooting- the "Cell", the "Arena" used to be a fortress. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 10, 2022 11:12:17 GMT -6
I'm hearing the road won't be the assistant lane. From whom? People "hear" nonsense constantly from the internet and sports radio. If your source isn't direct from a senior department member who will still be there when the hire is made -- or in leadership on the Athletic board -- it's not worth repeating. Well, it's a message board so take it for what it is. Just cause I hear something that is NOT from the internet or sports radio, it will not make myself go to the Las Vegas to place a wager on it. |
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Post by steveisback on Feb 10, 2022 11:18:28 GMT -6
Ah Victor....I love your never say die attitude but in our heart of hearts aren't you maybe whistling past the graveyard here?
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Post by peterpanther on Feb 10, 2022 11:19:36 GMT -6
I'm 100% with davedome on this. And let me be blunt: if you propagate the myth that it's the state system that has hamstrung our program, you give complete cover to our local administrators for their gross incompetence and negligence. It's a perfect excuse for them: "Hey, it's not our fault that things have absolutely fallen apart here while we were in charge, it's all on our unnamed masters in the state system." Oh please. Keep up this conspiratorial myth and we'll end up with no change of any consequence. Nobody on the Board of Regents is going to tell Mark Mone who the AD or the basketball coach should be. Why is the UW System Board of Regents allowing the incompetence of the administrators regarding athletics at UWM to continue? Would the incompetence among administrators regarding athletics that's occuring at UWM be tolerated at the University of Wisconsin? |
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Post by peterpanther on Feb 10, 2022 11:25:04 GMT -6
Why hasn't the UW System Board of Regents fired the poor performing administrators at UWM?
Why hasn't the athletic director been fired?
Who does the athletic director's boss report to?
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6 games now and last night was insult to injury.