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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 9, 2022 11:15:45 GMT -6
Bite me, Horizon League!
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 9, 2022 11:27:07 GMT -6
See I don't think this is the HL thinking on their own. This is a copycat issue in what is happenning to JMU and Stony Brook. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 9, 2022 11:27:55 GMT -6
See I don't think this is the HL thinking on their own. This is a copycat issue in what is happenning to JMU and Stony Brook. That doesn't make it right. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 9, 2022 11:30:51 GMT -6
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 9, 2022 11:31:36 GMT -6
To me this resonates the same as a coach saying "We'll wait for the legal process to take its course" after a star commits a crime like domestic battery instead of chasing him off the team instantly. How about just doing the right thing?
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 9, 2022 11:32:43 GMT -6
See I don't think this is the HL thinking on their own. This is a copycat issue in what is happenning to JMU and Stony Brook. That doesn't make it right. Well, correct. I'm saying if the NEC & CAA wasn't doing this move, the HL wouldn't as well. |
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Post by davedome on Feb 9, 2022 12:09:22 GMT -6
It's kind of bush league but whatever. I wish we were UIC and leaving for greener pastures.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 9, 2022 13:15:25 GMT -6
If the HL didn’t want Loyola, Valpo and UIC to leave it could have tried not sucking so much for the last six /eight years. Can anyone name anything the league has done right during this period to induce schools with GOOD hoops programs to stay or join?
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Post by PantherU on Feb 9, 2022 13:41:34 GMT -6
I still think there's an NCHC-type conference (that's a hockey conference) to be made out of what's left of the Horizon League, Summit League and other conferences that would be good enough to convince some of the better MVC schools that it might be their ticket to the "good old days" in a top-8 league. That's a pipe dream you can hold onto if you worry this is the absolute best we can do.
That said, there's no way we would be a part of that in our current state. This university has just continually f***ed itself over at every turn. The practice facility and the upgrades at the Arena, as well as the university's R1 status and continued building upgrades, are at the very least a skeleton upon which we can build something.
The problem is we have people who couldn't build a toy house out of f***ing Lincoln Logs.
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Post by PantherU on Feb 9, 2022 13:49:30 GMT -6
If the HL didn’t want Loyola, Valpo and UIC to leave it could have tried not sucking so much for the last six /eight years. Can anyone name anything the league has done right during this period to induce schools with GOOD hoops programs to stay or join? I will maintain to the end that refusing to kick YSU out of the conference in the late aughts was the death knell for the conference. At the end of that decade there really was only one anchor. This conference could have been a multi-bid league year after year if they didn't have YSU and whichever team was taking its turn as second-worst of the heap. Go back to 2010-11. The eighth place team in the Horizon League was Loyola. This was the team that spread the scoring out between a bunch of guys. Geoff McCammon, Ben Averkamp, Terrance Hill, Gibbles-n-Bits, Courtney Stanley and Andy Polka - you guys remember the team. Is there any doubt that eighth place Loyola team wouldn't just compete, but WIN the 2022 Horizon League? Oakland is maybe the only team right now that would be better than that Loyola squad we all considered to be garbage 11 years ago. Take any of the top 6 teams in the conference that year - Milwaukee, Butler, Cleveland State, Valpo, Wright State, Detroit - any one of those teams would absolutely mop the f***ing floor with this conference this year. Oakland would be looking up at them. Hell, it's possible that the top four teams of Milwaukee, Butler, CSU and Valpo would have lost 1 or 2 games at most in the Horizon League this season. What a f***ing joke this conference has become. Edit: Here's the top two teams: First team: Norris Cole Vaughn Duggins Matt Howard Anthony Hill Brandon Wood Second team: Shelvin Mack Rahmon Fletcher Ray McCallum Jr Eli Holman N'Gai Evans ...it's very possible that 9 of the 10 could have been Horizon POTY in this 2022 conference. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 9, 2022 14:22:03 GMT -6
As a practical matter it is just about men's basketball. None of the other HL sports gets any publicity to speak of, which I believe was your rationale for excluding UIC from the tournament. As for the second point, we at Milwaukee are painfully familiar with a dumb ass administration making decisions that mess with our student athletes. On that basis I'm inclined to say let UIC play. Excluding them would also give some undeserving team a first round tournament bye. That's arguably unfair to six other teams. Fran makes a great point. I can totally see Snagglepuss having no problem voting for this after what she did to the 2015-16 team. As far as the UIC scenario, I don't really have a problem booting them. I see it similar to when Bielema took the Arkansas job and still wanted to coach the Rose Bowl. Barry said "No, thanks. You go to Arkansas." I wouldn't have much of a concern about UIC doing anything in the HLT were they to play, nor do I believe having a bye would benefit whomever they won't be playing, as the HLT rarely goes according to plan. Many of these programs can't get out of their own way, which Greg Kampe, for instance, will show us for the 9th year in a row come March. |
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Post by davedome on Feb 9, 2022 16:13:21 GMT -6
If the HL didn’t want Loyola, Valpo and UIC to leave it could have tried not sucking so much for the last six /eight years. Can anyone name anything the league has done right during this period to induce schools with GOOD hoops programs to stay or join? I will maintain to the end that refusing to kick YSU out of the conference in the late aughts was the death knell for the conference. At the end of that decade there really was only one anchor. This conference could have been a multi-bid league year after year if they didn't have YSU and whichever team was taking its turn as second-worst of the heap. Go back to 2010-11. The eighth place team in the Horizon League was Loyola. This was the team that spread the scoring out between a bunch of guys. Geoff McCammon, Ben Averkamp, Terrance Hill, Gibbles-n-Bits, Courtney Stanley and Andy Polka - you guys remember the team. Is there any doubt that eighth place Loyola team wouldn't just compete, but WIN the 2022 Horizon League? Oakland is maybe the only team right now that would be better than that Loyola squad we all considered to be garbage 11 years ago. Take any of the top 6 teams in the conference that year - Milwaukee, Butler, Cleveland State, Valpo, Wright State, Detroit - any one of those teams would absolutely mop the f***ing floor with this conference this year. Oakland would be looking up at them. Hell, it's possible that the top four teams of Milwaukee, Butler, CSU and Valpo would have lost 1 or 2 games at most in the Horizon League this season. What a f***ing joke this conference has become. Edit: Here's the top two teams: First team: Norris Cole Vaughn Duggins Matt Howard Anthony Hill Brandon Wood Second team: Shelvin Mack Rahmon Fletcher Ray McCallum Jr Eli Holman N'Gai Evans ...it's very possible that 9 of the 10 could have been Horizon POTY in this 2022 conference. Agreed. The games were a much better watch than it is now. Also, the atmosphere at the games was better because there were fan bases that actually traveled back then, especially Butler and Valpo. The games now are mostly in empty arenas and even the HLT Title Game (don't get me started on the decision to move this off-campus) is not well attended. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 9, 2022 17:47:10 GMT -6
It's honestly gotten to the point where I feel like George Bailey on the bridge. "Help me, God! I want to live again!"
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Post by digmke on Feb 9, 2022 21:05:16 GMT -6
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when this leaving the HL provision was discussed/voted by the HL leadership, which includes all member schools. Were the repercussions of leaving the HL and its impact on the student-athletes enter into the discussion? Did they also talk about how the league could grow so that there is no need to leave in the first place....Likely no! Take a look at the "About Us" section from the HL site. The whole things is a sad, pathetic read. Best/worse part.. Michael Lipitz, Director of Athletics at University of Illinois Chicago serves as Council vice-chair. I am an alumni living in Chicago. UIC Athletics gets barely any media mention, yet they are getting plenty of pub/sympathy from Chicago media outlets. UIC put their student athletes in this spot behind their selfish greed. horizonleague.org/sports/2017/9/5/GEN_0905170006.aspxMeanwhile, we need to get off the sinking ship called the SS Horizon. As I have posted previously, MAC would be great but us not having football is probably a non starter. That leaves us with the MVC. OVC is a major step back! Can't see similar schools to ours joining the HL. |
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Post by PantherU on Feb 10, 2022 2:10:08 GMT -6
Meanwhile, we need to get off the sinking ship called the SS Horizon. As I have posted previously, MAC would be great but us not having football is probably a non starter. That leaves us with the MVC. OVC is a major step back! Can't see similar schools to ours joining the HL. Hello, welcome to choir practice |
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