SRT4driver
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We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Jan 10, 2022 23:25:57 GMT -6
...and how our MKE program has completely missed it's chance at advancing it's conference affiliation. We knew (and were told directly by the MVC) 8 to 9+ years ago when Loyola left that we needed to add softball (which UIC has) in order to be viable to the MVC. Our athletic director Amanda Braun ignored that, and now we have missed our last chance to improve our position in D1, as after Loyola has just decided to jump to the A-10 from the Valley, the Valley has now decided to add Murray State, Belmont, and UIC. With the additions of perennial Top 25 to 35 programs Belmont and Murray State, the MVC more than makes up for the loss of Loyola, and will now firmly place itself back into the Top 10 conferences in college hoops, while leaving MKE in a low-major Horizon League that is sub-25 out of 32 conferences in every respected metric. The MVC is also now saying they are open to possibly expanding to 14 at some point in the future, but that clearly is only meant as a lure to Saint Louis U and Wichita State, who they have always wanted/wanted back, and are hoping to get after adding Belmont and Murray State. www.missourivalleybeat.com/post/belmont-mvc-expansion-murray-state |
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SRT4driver
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We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Jan 10, 2022 23:49:42 GMT -6
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Post by Pantherholic on Jan 11, 2022 0:59:35 GMT -6
Our athletic director Amanda Braun ignored that “Ignoring it” and “not having the resources to start it” aren’t the same thing. I know for a fact you know she would leave for the Valley in an instant if it were solely up to her. |
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Jan 11, 2022 1:19:28 GMT -6
Our athletic director Amanda Braun ignored that “Ignoring it” and “not having the resources to start it” aren’t the same thing. I know for a fact you know she would leave for the Valley in an instant if it were solely up to her. Do you though? Because I'm not sure I believe that anymore after what I've seen from her tenure. |
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Post by skrapheap on Jan 11, 2022 18:46:41 GMT -6
Our athletic director Amanda Braun ignored that “Ignoring it” and “not having the resources to start it” aren’t the same thing. I know for a fact you know she would leave for the Valley in an instant if it were solely up to her. I thought it had been pointed out, in a discussion about re-adding football, that UWM currently has more scholarships in women's sports than in men's, though not by a huge margin. If that is in fact the case, wouldn't the federal mandate (Title IX) for equality require that a men's sport also be added, or another women's sport be dropped, in order to offer softball? |
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Post by parkerj on Jan 11, 2022 21:51:35 GMT -6
UIC is being added for its market. Selling ourselves as "playing across the street from Marquette" might give us Chicago credentials on this board, but not IRL.
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SRT4driver
Junior
We Are MILWAUKEE! And I'm all about accountability, unlike '5th Placer' Jeter apologists.
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Post by SRT4driver on Jan 12, 2022 0:16:21 GMT -6
“Ignoring it” and “not having the resources to start it” aren’t the same thing. I know for a fact you know she would leave for the Valley in an instant if it were solely up to her. Do you though? Because I'm not sure I believe that anymore after what I've seen from her tenure. Anyways, you and I know Amanda Braun well enough, and she has absolutely failed at her most important job, and this point of her professional career. She has absolutely failed as an AD, and we are now a low major D1 school in the lowest of low major conferences thanks to her "leadership". |
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Post by PantherU on Jan 12, 2022 22:28:38 GMT -6
“Ignoring it” and “not having the resources to start it” aren’t the same thing. I know for a fact you know she would leave for the Valley in an instant if it were solely up to her. I thought it had been pointed out, in a discussion about re-adding football, that UWM currently has more scholarships in women's sports than in men's, though not by a huge margin. If that is in fact the case, wouldn't the federal mandate (Title IX) for equality require that a men's sport also be added, or another women's sport be dropped, in order to offer softball? Title IX only goes one way. We are "over-compliant" in terms of women's scholarships to men's scholarships. Let's not start the football conversation again unless someone can think of a legitimate path to Big XII membership. I promise you there is none. If you want to add a sport, talk about ice hockey. We'd need to average ~2,000 paid tickets at an average of $10 per ticket for a men's ice hockey program to be profitable. And that's from the Costello study that considered us for CCHA membership. Since the Big Ten formed in ice hockey, there's a big-ass Wisconsin-shaped hole in the WCHA, which is a better hockey conference than the Big Ten (the last I heard, which admittedly was awhile ago). If we build a strong program, we could even maybe get into the NCHC, which is the best ice hockey conference. Being in the best football conference is not possible. If I were a billionaire, we'd still have an uphill battle to get into the Big XII and it would take a minimum of 15 years to do it. I see no reason to add the incredibly expensive sport of football unless your goal is to get into a conference that you can feasibly win and be in the College Football Playoff. IF - and that's the biggest IF I've ever said - you were to make Jimmy Lemke a billionaire, we added a football program, sunk a ton of money into it as well as paid to get some of the best players (hey it's legal now!) we could get, moved to I-A FBS and became a strong enough program to merit consideration by the Big XII, the Big XII might not even be strong enough to guarantee a CFP That would be the route you'd have to go though. Big XII or bust. I actually think we'd fit fine in there, if we were to become a program that could play in that league. But it's fantasy. I'll tell you what though - when EA Sports brings back the NCAA Football franchise, I will absolutely create the University of Milwaukee and I will broadcast their "games" on Twitch during the college football season. I'm actually planning to do that anyways because it sounds like fun. |
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Post by PantherU on Jan 12, 2022 22:29:36 GMT -6
UIC is being added for its market. Selling ourselves as "playing across the street from Marquette" might give us Chicago credentials on this board, but not IRL. UIC has less of a grip on the Chicago market than we have on the Milwaukee market, and that's counting it in 2022, not 2005 or 2011. |
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Jan 12, 2022 23:28:44 GMT -6
Here's a novel idea:
Instead of talk of adding programs that will push men's basketball to the backburner, how about a talk about dumping the irrelevant, climate challenged, and failing baseball program and investing MORE in men's basketball??
Madison was smart enough to dump baseball decades ago!
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Post by steveisback on Jan 13, 2022 8:48:20 GMT -6
a stream of consciousness style ala Kerouac!!!!
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Post by steveisback on Jan 13, 2022 8:51:25 GMT -6
oops , wrong thread belongs with Jimmy's observation on my convoluted paragraphs which I take full ownership
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Post by davedome on Jan 13, 2022 10:24:51 GMT -6
I thought it had been pointed out, in a discussion about re-adding football, that UWM currently has more scholarships in women's sports than in men's, though not by a huge margin. If that is in fact the case, wouldn't the federal mandate (Title IX) for equality require that a men's sport also be added, or another women's sport be dropped, in order to offer softball? Title IX only goes one way. We are "over-compliant" in terms of women's scholarships to men's scholarships. Let's not start the football conversation again unless someone can think of a legitimate path to Big XII membership. I promise you there is none. If you want to add a sport, talk about ice hockey. We'd need to average ~2,000 paid tickets at an average of $10 per ticket for a men's ice hockey program to be profitable. And that's from the Costello study that considered us for CCHA membership. Since the Big Ten formed in ice hockey, there's a big-ass Wisconsin-shaped hole in the WCHA, which is a better hockey conference than the Big Ten (the last I heard, which admittedly was awhile ago). If we build a strong program, we could even maybe get into the NCHC, which is the best ice hockey conference. Being in the best football conference is not possible. If I were a billionaire, we'd still have an uphill battle to get into the Big XII and it would take a minimum of 15 years to do it. I see no reason to add the incredibly expensive sport of football unless your goal is to get into a conference that you can feasibly win and be in the College Football Playoff. IF - and that's the biggest IF I've ever said - you were to make Jimmy Lemke a billionaire, we added a football program, sunk a ton of money into it as well as paid to get some of the best players (hey it's legal now!) we could get, moved to I-A FBS and became a strong enough program to merit consideration by the Big XII, the Big XII might not even be strong enough to guarantee a CFP That would be the route you'd have to go though. Big XII or bust. I actually think we'd fit fine in there, if we were to become a program that could play in that league. But it's fantasy. I'll tell you what though - when EA Sports brings back the NCAA Football franchise, I will absolutely create the University of Milwaukee and I will broadcast their "games" on Twitch during the college football season. I'm actually planning to do that anyways because it sounds like fun. Come on Jimmy, you're always bashing the idea of football. That's just how AB wants everyone to think so there's no effort or accountability. So what if we swing big and strikeout, we're in the same position we're at now.......only one revenue-producing sport, that's poorly run. Also, why do we have to shoot for the Big 12? How about we start off slow and shoot for the MVC? 99.9% of your posts on here Jimmy are spot on but we'll always disagree about our school being too scared to explore football. St. Thomas just made it to Division 1 (I know they got booted a step) but do they have more alumni than us or a rich donor? There's a place for Saturday morning football in Milwaukee for those not traveling to Madison or hogging brunch reservations. Let's stop giving her out. Otherwise, what has she accomplished here? No hockey, no wrestling, no successful fundraisers, or big deals or sponsorships. Just the baseball field (which is good), naming the Mecca (which nobody wanted or uses a lot) and saving money from Jeter's contract (which backfired). |
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Post by BBFran on Jan 13, 2022 10:41:37 GMT -6
I have a very hard time counting moving the baseball team to a facility 17 miles and 30-40 minutes from campus as anything but another failure. Is it a step up from the horrendous facility at Lincoln Park? Facility wise, of course. In terms of making the program a bigger part of campus life, not at all. All that move tells me is that our AD couldn't raise or find money for an improved east side facility.
Football is a fantasy, unfortunately, and I say that as someone who was actually a sports reporter at the Post when we still played football. Hockey could work for the reasons Jimmy noted, but anyone who thinks it could work with this AD running things is nuts. (And a point about hockey -- it's the least "big U" dominated of all the potential revenue producing sports. Just look at the college hockey polls.)
But the bottom line is that at UWM right now, the AD's number 1, 2 and 3 priorities are men's basketball, men's basketball and men's basketball. Our AD has failed spectacularly at all three.
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Post by Pantherholic on Jan 13, 2022 12:59:20 GMT -6
If you want to add a sport, talk about ice hockey. We'd need to average ~2,000 paid tickets at an average of $10 per ticket for a men's ice hockey program to be profitable. And that's from the Costello study that considered us for CCHA membership. You’d need updated numbers before making this a legit argument. Those numbers are 10 years old and costs have probably risen considerably higher since. Given the current state of the department, as well as a horrible boss in Mone, anything costing more than “free” won’t happen. She could come up with the greatest plan imaginable and the likelihood of him dismissing it is all but guaranteed. [/quote] |
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