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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 10:14:44 GMT -6
In 2019, the chancellor made more than the head men's basketball coach for the first time in nearly 20 years ... and I think that is illustrative of how this University presently prioritizes things. Oh yeah. We are amatures in so, so many respects. I previously said everyone in the AD should be replaced. I was angry. If you change the AD (the very top of the bungled hierarchy), a lot would change. We can't afford to make another bad HC hire. Does anyone know for how much longer AD Braun is under contract? 2025? |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 19, 2022 10:17:34 GMT -6
In 2019, the chancellor made more than the head men's basketball coach for the first time in nearly 20 years ... and I think that is illustrative of how this University presently prioritizes things. Oh yeah. We are amatures in so, so many respects. I previously said everyone in the AD should be replaced. I was angry. If you change the AD (the very top of the bungled hierarchy), a lot would change. We can't afford to make another bad HC hire. Does anyone know for how much longer AD Braun is under contract? 2025? Great question. June of 2023 (in terms of what's been made public). |
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Post by milwsport on Jan 21, 2022 1:59:06 GMT -6
I have a very hard time counting moving the baseball team to a facility 17 miles and 30-40 minutes from campus as anything but another failure. Is it a step up from the horrendous facility at Lincoln Park? Facility wise, of course. In terms of making the program a bigger part of campus life, not at all. All that move tells me is that our AD couldn't raise or find money for an improved east side facility. Football is a fantasy, unfortunately, and I say that as someone who was actually a sports reporter at the Post when we still played football. Hockey could work for the reasons Jimmy noted, but anyone who thinks it could work with this AD running things is nuts. (And a point about hockey -- it's the least "big U" dominated of all the potential revenue producing sports. Just look at the college hockey polls.) But the bottom line is that at UWM right now, the AD's number 1, 2 and 3 priorities are men's basketball, men's basketball and men's basketball. Our AD has failed spectacularly at all three. I couldn't agree more |
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Post by chipanthers45 on Jan 21, 2022 3:42:48 GMT -6
So yes, I will continue to bag on her, and I hope the rest do, too. SHE SUCKS AT HER JOB. In fairness, if she was allowed to hire the first coach that she wanted without higher ups stepping in, we'd probably of made an NCAA tourney or two and been in serious consideration for the MVC. |
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Post by uwmpanther on Jan 21, 2022 7:56:01 GMT -6
So yes, I will continue to bag on her, and I hope the rest do, too. SHE SUCKS AT HER JOB. In fairness, if she was allowed to hire the first coach that she wanted without higher ups stepping in, we'd probably of made an NCAA tourney or two and been in serious consideration for the MVC. Pure speculation. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 22, 2022 10:04:43 GMT -6
Missouri Valley will announce UIC as its 12th member next week, sources told CBS Sports. A big add since the MVC is losing Loyola Chicago to the A-10.
The Valley has plucked Belmont, Murray State + UIC in just a few months’ time.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 22, 2022 10:27:00 GMT -6
Missouri Valley will announce UIC as its 12th member next week, sources told CBS Sports. A big add since the MVC is losing Loyola Chicago to the A-10. The Valley has plucked Belmont, Murray State + UIC in just a few months’ time. Well, time to speculate as to who the Horizon will add as to get back to 12 (assuming they do). Based on who i think are reasonable programs for the HL to go after, id go in this order: 1. Bellarmine 2. Morehead State 3. Southern Indiana 4. UIndy 5. SIU - Edwardsville 6. St. Francis (PA) 7. Chicago State Outside of the top two, none of these options appeal too much to me. I’d rather get a D2 program moving up as opposed to a bad D1 program. I could very easily be missing some other possible D2 schools, but I can’t think of any other D1 programs that fit in the Horizon’s footprint where the Horizon would be an upgrade. I added St. Francis because I saw the possibility of another NEC program being added, and St. Francis is really the only one close to being in the Horizon’s current footprint. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 22, 2022 10:34:14 GMT -6
For those of us who were fans of the league 10 years ago (DTP, I'm pretty sure you were around), its disintegration -- and the devaluation of our place in it -- is shocking!
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Post by FTA1982 on Jan 22, 2022 11:03:09 GMT -6
'06/'07 to '09/'10 did us no favors to raise our profile after back to back NCAA tournament advances in 05 and 06.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 22, 2022 11:04:41 GMT -6
At least the potential replacement will probably not bus in loads of elementary school kids to fill seats or have a hockey facility that is not very conducive for basketball. They probably won't have a foot stomper, but I think he is long gone anyway. Nor will it have a stain on the floor from a portable cooler intentionally tipped over by a former Milwaukee coach.
Congratulations UIC, and good riddance.
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Post by BBFran on Jan 22, 2022 11:13:36 GMT -6
Our closest league rival outside of GB is now five hours away. Losing Loyola, UIC and Valpo from the league is an unmitigated disaster for us (and for GB). Putting aside the additional travel cost and pressure for the program, GB -- one game a year -- is now the only reasonable road trip for most fans who can't afford or don't have the time to do an overnight trip. Look at the list of potential adds that DTP speculated about above. Putting aside Chicago State (God help us!), every one of them is a MUCH longer trip and none of them have any cachet at all. Two of the others are currently D2 programs, for pity's sake. Why not just try to encourage Parkside, Judson and Lewis to go D1? At least they'd be closer.
There's absolutely nothing good about this for the Milwaukee program. Par for the course under our incompetent administration.
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 22, 2022 11:15:46 GMT -6
For those of us who were fans of the league 10 years ago (DTP, I'm pretty sure you were around), its disintegration -- and the devaluation of our place in it -- is shocking! Yeah, it’s definitely not as good as it once was. I’m not sure what the League could have realistically done about it, with a few exceptions. They were never going to keep Butler, especially after they made back to back national championship games. When Loyola left, they were a bottom half of the league program. Same could be said for UIC now. Valparaiso was a tough loss, but they weren’t in the league for a terribly long time either. And frankly, most of the programs the league added have been upgrades. Oakland has better a better program than Loyola in this league. NKU has been a more than adequate replacement for Valparaiso. Even Fort Wayne is doing a decent job in this conference so far. Obviously, we all knew IUPUI would be a bad add, but I think we all expected more out of Robert Morris. And I still expect them to be a decent program in coming years. As I’ve said before, I expect the league to go in cycles. They probably won’t reach the levels they did when Butler was here, but I don’t think it’s far fetched to think they can’t get significantly better. Adding an up and coming program like Bellarmine or a consistently decent program like Morehead State could help that process, but I don’t expect the league to stay this bad for a long time. |
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Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 22, 2022 11:21:58 GMT -6
There's absolutely nothing good about this for the Milwaukee program. Par for the course under our incompetent administration. It’s hard to blame the Milwaukee administration for Chicago being a much larger market and a better fit in the MVC footprint than Milwaukee. If they wanted success, they could have picked NKU or Wright State from the Horizon. They want long-standing success (something Milwaukee hasn’t had since Bruce Pearl’s last three years and Rob Jeter’s first) or mega markets (Chicago is the 3rd largest city in the US). Yeah, Milwaukee hasn’t had long standing success, but neither has any team in this league, at least to the extent Murray State and Belmont have. But shame on Amanda Braun for not snapping her fingers and tripling Milwaukee’s market size. Seriously, hearing illogical arguments like this makes the anti-Amanda Braun argument seem so much weaker, at least to logical people. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 22, 2022 11:46:51 GMT -6
In 2011-12 we had 17 games televised locally, regionally or nationally?! Wow!! That's a staggeringly high number!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2022 12:19:43 GMT -6
There's absolutely nothing good about this for the Milwaukee program. Par for the course under our incompetent administration. It’s hard to blame the Milwaukee administration for Chicago being a much larger market and a better fit in the MVC footprint than Milwaukee. If they wanted success, they could have picked NKU or Wright State from the Horizon. They want long-standing success (something Milwaukee hasn’t had since Bruce Pearl’s last three years and Rob Jeter’s first) or mega markets (Chicago is the 3rd largest city in the US). Yeah, Milwaukee hasn’t had long standing success, but neither has any team in this league, at least to the extent Murray State and Belmont have. But shame on Amanda Braun for not snapping her fingers and tripling Milwaukee’s market size. Seriously, hearing illogical arguments like this makes the anti-Amanda Braun argument seem so much weaker, at least to logical people. Agree on mostly all points, but imo a true leader of MKE Athletics would successfully make the case for, and garner the appropriate resources and support for, our men's basketball program being the public face of the university outside of academia. AB hasn't done that. I see the complete opposite happening in men's hoops being subverted* to raise the profile of other programs that, if we are honest with ourselves, we know are not going to change the enrollment numbers or prestige (which is invaluable) of the University of (W) Milwaukee. There is a great opportunity for this Uni to become a UCLA or UW or at least Big 12 (has been for a looooooong time). And the current AD has not struck while the iron was hot (Spring and Summer of 2014, '16-'17 season torpedo) nor struck out on realistic endevours while the iron has long since gone cold*. *since 2013- people forget there used to be a LOT of attention paid to men's hoops in the 7 years following 2006 and 2005. We frittered away all of that. The 2014 NCAAs came out of nowhere (we lost 4/5 to close out that crazy season before going 4-0 in the HLT). The environment surrounding 2014 was very different than '05 and '06 when there was a buzz all season long surrounding the Panthers. Even in the worst seasons like '06-'07 people on this discussion board helped design and raise awareness for the need for a new court logo. An incredible (and viable someday) " Cambridge Gardens" plan was envisioned and rendered in AutoCAD that presented the possibility of what Milwaukee U would look like as a true basketball school (football was always difficult to squeeze in but that too isn't out of the realm of future possibilities). Andy Geiger and the other temporary and failed ADs never ever tried to peer into the future and ignorantly trashed their own employer as "a pullout bleacher school". I was in a meeting with him once (and a couple other Panther fans who sometimes frequent this board) and it was clear that he was milking an easy job on the East Side and not 1 iota interested in understanding fan perspectives or ideas. Not 1 iota of passion.  If you see what Jim Phillips did at Northwestern or Pat Richter (former Badger himself) did at Wisconsin, you can see the enormous chasm between those 2 leaders- for whom their job was a passion pursuit and not a "job"- and whatever we having leading this rudderless ship currently. I won't argue but to paraphrase a lot of BBFran's posts, if you think what is happening now in the AD (outside of Adam Schemm, Scott Warras and maybe Chris Roche) is "good" or in any way on a "Path to Prominance"- you are only kidding yourself. Not only are the leaders not trying to advance the program, they are actively working to relegate it to obscurity. It's a simple matter of hiring someone who has Bruce Pearl-like enthusiasm and true passion for job and understands what it takes to hire a good (character and experienced) coach and support a program to be equipped for both short-term and long-term success. It takes an entuisiastic village and I only see a few enthusiastic actors in this story... -er tragedy. |
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