|
|
Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 8, 2022 9:30:06 GMT -6
"... and then depression set in."
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 9:59:03 GMT -6
JT ain’t giving up. Melo ain’t giving up. Let’s press and transition and see if we can make it interesting. I know there’s a lot of negativity in these threads during losses, and I’m usually a source of it, but I do appreciate your optimism. I know not everyone does, but it’s a nice change of pace. I just hope that you’re not the AD, using this as an excuse to keep PBS 😉 iirc, one of my West Bend friends told me buppie05 is from West Bend, so... not AB I'm pretty sure. Also, couldn't be, because AB is not a positive person. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 10:02:27 GMT -6
Though I'm sure virtually everyone in the AD- esp. ADB, reads or at least checks on this board. AB probably gets Schadenfreude from it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 8, 2022 10:17:57 GMT -6
You are totally missing the point. No matter whether you think Jeter was a good coach or not, there is NO chance we will EVER have as good a program as we had under Jeter as long as our athletic program has its current leadership. But as I have observed many times, your opinion about Jeter was that of a (literally) vanishing minority. The great majority of our fans, boosters and sponsors simply left the program in reaction to Braun’s idiotic and disingenuous decision and have never returned. Over and over before the program was imploded many of us warned the loud minority complaining about a consistently winning coach and program to be careful what you wished for. Well, you got it. Unfortunately, so did the rest of us. Only a "minority" of fans wanted Jeter gone? Really? Keep repeating the same made-up stuff over and over again until some start believing it? It appears to me like the same phenomena occurring over the last few years in an exponentially more serious realm. I know you certainly would not want to be practicing that strategy intentionally. Once again, you broached the topic of Saint Rob. This time, it is in a game thread that has nothing to do with him. That opened the door for replies such as this. Ironically, like minded posters and I are the ones accused on here of having JDS? No chance we will ever have a program as good as we had with Jeter under the current regime? I think there is at least some chance. The bar is not set very high. He was basically a .500 coach his last 10 years, which is when he had his own players that were not returning from a predecessor's Sweet 16 appearance. He is a coach whose current team just got blown out by 300+ Omaha and upstart St. Thomas. Look, none of us here have any confidence that this institution, as currently devised, can get it right next time. But even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. Even if we are stuck with the same regime, which none of us prefer, I will take my chances that the next coach will at least return the program to .500.. As SRT notes however, we should strive for much better than that. |
|
|
|
Post by Pantherholic on Jan 8, 2022 11:19:05 GMT -6
What’s even more pathetic about last night is Davis averaged 29 ppg in the previous 4 games against Milwaukee and had 23 by halftime. His 39 pts was 10 pts higher than his average!
It’s one thing for a guy who averages 5 points to go off for 15 but dropping 39 when you average 29?JFC
|
|
|
|
Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 8, 2022 11:21:09 GMT -6
Sobering thought for the day: Jan. 23 is fast approaching and in his career PBS is 12-32 after that day. Yikes!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Pantherholic on Jan 8, 2022 11:25:13 GMT -6
Sobering thought for the day: Jan. 23 is fast approaching and in his career PBS is 12-32 after that day. Yikes!!! Including the first round of the conference tournament, we have 17 games left in Baldwin’s tenure. Of those 17, I’m assuming his son plays in maybe 7? |
|
|
|
Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 8, 2022 11:36:33 GMT -6
Rob Jeter was a decent coach. We should strive for better but Jeter was sufficient. What we have right now is a disaster.
|
|
|
|
Post by Duct_Tape_Pounce on Jan 8, 2022 11:38:36 GMT -6
Though I'm sure virtually everyone in the AD- esp. ADB, reads or at least checks on this board. AB probably gets Schadenfreude from it. Haha I still remember seeing mysterious accounts like “Panther Proud” popping up soon after Jeter was fired posting things supportive of the AD. That’s pretty much the proof I need that members of the athletic department (including the AD herself) know of and read the board. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 11:39:48 GMT -6
Tickets! Tickets! Who wants tickets!!!
I got talked into paying an additional $150 on top of the $400 I paid for my season "membership". It was apparently because I checked a box I don't recall checking and donates tickets to veterans, but "needed to be paid with a separate invoice" (huh?? ..why this is the case for customers of the Milwaukee AD is an entirely different story I care not to criticize in detail).
I feel bad for the veteran(s) who were excited to get some Milwaukee Panther tickets which they presumed meant they would get to see our 5-star recruit, only to discover...
I think a lot of casual fans are in that boat.
Injuries suck. Can't blame PBJ for that. I just hope there is no lying about his or anyone else's status and that he can get healthy enough to help us manage a decent season.
|
|
|
|
Post by BBFran on Jan 8, 2022 12:36:53 GMT -6
John, what you have is called “cognitive dissonance.” Reality has diverged so far from your opinion that you simply ignore reality because the reality that you and the few were just plain wrong is very uncomfortable.
What I have is called “proof.” The great majority of the fans, boosters and sponsors left. As in Gone. Bye bye. See ya.
But it doesn’t matter now. We are at the bottom and still digging as long as the person who made that monumentally bad decision is running our program. Before this season even started I think Jimmy made the point that he was getting behind the PBS/PBJ project because as long as AB was calling the shots, changing coaches wasn’t likely to be a solution. Unfortunately, that turned out to be wishful thinking, as the evidence of the previous four years overwhelmingly indicated it would be.
So anyway, gather up the few dozen anti-Jeterites if you can find that many who still care about the program and pool your donatable funds. Maybe you guys can make amends and buy our way out of this mess. Our differing opinions notwithstanding, the rest of us would certainly appreciate it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:04:29 GMT -6
|
|
|
|
Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 8, 2022 14:17:41 GMT -6
What I have is called “proof.” The great majority of the fans, boosters and sponsors left. As in Gone. Bye bye. See ya. It is fitting that you quoted the word "proof." Your reply plays in to exactly what I was referring to in my prior post about repeating made-up comments until some start to believe it. You say there is "proof," even though it has not been presented. Maybe there should be an audit of the "proof." We could have it conducted right here in Phoenix at the Madhouse on McDowell.😏 The "proof" you reference is nothing more than a subjective remark used to support your side of the debate. It is no more than my "proof" would be if I repeat my earlier comments about the significant decline in ticket sales and interest the program experienced between the time Saint Rob started and the time he left. Examples of actual proof would be documents containing verified data, testimony under oath, and the like. No doubt you know that quite well, given your education and profession. By supporting The Big Jeter Lie simply stating you have "proof" and not presenting it, is no actual proof at all. And even if you would present actual proof, those with opposing viewpoints should have the opportunity to present theirs. Having stated that, this is a message board, not part of the judicial process. May we please stop just stating we have "proof" knowing we do not have complete access to it? It is fine to support our positions with rationale, but the use of the word "proof" is a bit extreme. Please, let's keep this simple. How about if we get back to our usual discussions, even if the issues are more like in a soap opera, and respect opposing viewpoints without unqualified psychoanalysis. |
|
|
|
Post by Cactus Panther on Jan 8, 2022 14:30:24 GMT -6
But it doesn’t matter now. We are at the bottom and still digging as long as the person who made that monumentally bad decision is running our program. Before this season even started I think Jimmy made the point that he was getting behind the PBS/PBJ project because as long as AB was calling the shots, changing coaches wasn’t likely to be a solution. Unfortunately, that turned out to be wishful thinking, as the evidence of the previous four years overwhelmingly indicated it would be. Speaking of Jimmy, I hope he follows through on "Our Proposal." That seems to have stagnated lately, but maybe it is just a lull before getting closer to a vacancy opening up (let's hope we are very close to that time). As I stated in a prior thread, it will take quite a bit of fortitude and drive to deal with the naysayers and follow through with the planned strategy. |
|
|
|
Post by BBFran on Jan 8, 2022 15:24:20 GMT -6
Well actually my proof is literally the opposite of "subjective." All of us have observed it WITH OUR OWN EYES. And any neutral third party could see it as well. Jeter was fired, the fans left, the boosters left, the sponsors left. That is what objective proof is, something I was required to understand and work with my entire career.
That said, I know I can't convince you or the other remaining few who feel as you do, and I'm not trying. But I'm also tired of hearing this fantasy take on the supposed unpopularity of our coach and program in those years in light of the putrid and entirely predictable results of AB's unprincipled firing of Jeter and her deconstruction of the momentum our program was building. It honestly freshly pains and angers me, year after year, to see the depths she has driven our program to at the cost of the fan community we had. I don't think I'm alone, and that leads to these arguments among us very, very, very, very few folks left who care. So my apologies for extending one.
Will Jimmy's idea have any legs? I don't know. Without changes at the top I have no optimism about that whatsoever. If that doesn't happen, imagine the coaching candidates we'll get now. "Isn't she the AD who fired a winning coach, lost the next one after one year, then fired the latest coach? And tell me again about the budget I'd have and the salaries they are offering for the coaching staff? And no big boosters at all? And it's the Horizon League? Uh, I think I'll pass and wait for another opportunity."
|
|
