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Post by parkerj on Nov 30, 2021 12:41:17 GMT -6
HOw about this for the next Head Coach - <runs a style of play like Tom Davis/Bruce Pearl - exciting for fans <has actually been a head coach with success, level not as important <no more assistant coaches, coordinators <has persoanality and marketing acumen - None of these happened after Pearl who had all of the above, and none of the coaches including Jeter has had since hence the missed opportunity and slow rot beginning in 2006 and culminating in the debacle, ie, nail in the coffin the way Jeters dismissal was handled and the clown show since. Would I take a 11 year run of one game over .500 in D 1 play over what we have now,? Of course, that is not the point. The point is to get it right per the above criteria once and for all. IDK, I think fans might be pissed if we hired a guy Green Bay fired |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 30, 2021 12:44:11 GMT -6
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Post by PantherU on Nov 30, 2021 12:47:20 GMT -6
(though nitpick...Henschell wasn't her hire) My mistake. I'm slipping with age. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Nov 30, 2021 12:53:32 GMT -6
AB might have made the choice on Baldwin. Please, list the final pool for the job. That final pool didn't come from AB, I'm willing to bet.
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Post by PantherU on Nov 30, 2021 13:02:31 GMT -6
AB might have made the choice on Baldwin. Please, list the final pool for the job. That final pool didn't come from AB, I'm willing to bet. They did not use Parker for the job search when they hired Baldwin (the search firm, not parkerj) and I don't think it hurt the pool. I think the pool was generally worse because of the timing, which shouldn't be an issue this spring. In the meantime, go read my proposal. |
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Post by Pantherholic on Nov 30, 2021 13:06:03 GMT -6
So to follow on to your point SOB, I’ll say it. Personally I think the program would be better off if PBS simply resigned and I think PBJ, given his production so far and increasingly worrisome injury proclivity, would be better off simply to hang it up, heal up and get ready for the NBA draft. I think there’s a significant chance he can only hurt his draft status at this point by playing in this failed program. And finally, of course, I think the University administration, even if it can’t pull the trigger for whatever reasons on getting a competent AD, should take the hiring of a new basketball coach for our only possible revenue program out of our current AD’s hands entirely lest she fumble the ball just as spectacularly again. I don’t see how the team will be better off this year without PBS. Who would you have take over? What have you seen from any of the assistants that makes you want them in an interim status? Unless there’s the tangible threat of a player mutiny, I think he sees out the rest of the season. There’ll be another mass defection in Spring anyways once he’s fired so a complete roster rebuild will happen regardless. As for hiring the next coach, do you want the same people who gave her an extension to make the next hire? Because they’ve shown to be sound, rational decision-makers? |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 1, 2021 17:22:37 GMT -6
Jon Rothstein is not a reliable source. He's a garbage journalist. THANK YOU! He *constantly* gets that shtick wrong. Such a clown. If anyone needs more evidence that Jon Rothstein is f***ing trash: |
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Post by davedome on Dec 1, 2021 18:35:33 GMT -6
When you make a coaching decision based on race, this is what you end up with. I don't give a f*** what race the coach is, I want someone who can do the f******* job! As Amanda Braun's most well-known detractor, let me remind everyone that LaVall Jordan was 100% Mark Mone's hire and Amanda deserves zero blame. I will say that at worst Jordan's grade as our coach would be an incomplete and there was no way they could have known Thad Matta would leave Ohio State, Sean and Archie Miller would turn down the job, making Chris Holtmann the next man up and Barry Collier would go for the sentimental hire that the Butler fans had wanted when the job was open previously (Val). That was just a perfect storm. On the Pat Baldwin hire, Amanda was in charge of the entire process. Mone was not involved at all. But Amanda didn't hire PBS because he was black, she hired him because she knew him from their time together at UWGB. Out of curiosity, are we all in agreement that the rumor that she wanted Otzelberger and got overruled was true? Because I've definitely come around to the idea that the program would've been far better off if we'd hired him. It's only a rumor because no one was willing to put their name on it on the record. I spoke with Greg Matzek's source on the report that TJ Otzelberger had been offered the job before it was pulled from underneath him, and it's accurate. I spoke with the source a day or two after Matzek put it out and it was corroborated by a couple people who were part of the search process. I think TJ would have clearly been the correct choice. The big risk associated with him was that he was dirty and the NCAA would be up our ass, but he hasn't had them sniffing around him at SDSU, UNLV or ISU. The more likely "worst case scenario" with TJ would have been that he probably would have jumped to the next job without building our program up. FWIW, most D-I head and assistant coaches I talked to after LaVall was hired thought that TJ would have been able to keep our whole roster intact and plug in a couple transfer/JuCo recruits that would have met the high expectations for 2016-17 that Jeter's staff had. I've been writing a lengthy post for the board since Sunday afternoon that's going to address what I think we should do moving forward, but I will touch on a bit of it here. Amanda can't be hung with hiring LaVall Jordan, but she did hire Pat Baldwin. That's an N/A and an F in my grade book. Greg Henschel was an F hire, but Troy Fabiano has been an A+ hire for women's soccer. She dropped the hammer on Jeter but she also hasn't dropped the hammer on Scotty Doffek, whose baseball program has been stagnant for years. She hasn't dropped the hammer on Kyle Rechlicz and it's been for the best, as she's been able to rebuild the program after a couple down years and get them back to the top/near the top of the conference. So if I'm giving Amanda a grade for her job in managing coaching jobs, I'd give her a C- at this point. It'd be higher if she hadn't royally f***ed up the way she fired Jeter in 2016. So I don't think she will be unable to make a home run hire on the next coach, but I think we need to be clear in what we're looking for in the next coach (this is what my separate post is all about) so she knows what the fan base wants from that hire. I'll go into more detail on the full post. A “C-“  Are you grading on a curve? Is this a homeschool grade? LOL. Great post Jimmy but how has the athletic department grown since she’s been in charge? Did we join a better conference? Did we add football, wrestling or hockey (yes, I know with Title 9, she would have to even it out)? Is the student body and alumni connected to the department/teams? I just think she gets more of a free pass than what she allowed Jeter. No other D1 school is trying to steal her which means she has had pretty insignificant results and just excuses so far. She was overruled in 1 hire but everything else is on her. |
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Post by BBFran on Dec 1, 2021 19:11:55 GMT -6
To supplement what Dave said, the complete failure of the men’s basketball program just doesn’t allow any kind of passing grade. God bless women’s soccer but 99.9% of the public couldn’t even tell you whether it’s played in summer, fall or spring. It’s good that she hired a good coach for them. That’s about 13th on the list of important hires to our athletic program. And by the way, 1 - 10 are all the same thing.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Dec 1, 2021 19:42:48 GMT -6
The importance of men's basketball at a program like ours can't be overstated.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Dec 1, 2021 20:02:53 GMT -6
The importance of men's basketball at a program like ours can't be overstated. I don't think that is the focus at the university. Every interview Baldwin did pre-season on WTMJ4 weather, radio or the open scrimmage he brought up also said support soccer, volleyball, blah blah blah. That is spoon feed to him for him to say by someone. Remember in 2019 when the pep band was a no show and we found out it was at the KC at the women's game. |
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Post by PantherU on Dec 1, 2021 21:23:58 GMT -6
I'm trying to be magnanimous
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