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Post by BBFran on Feb 16, 2020 14:27:40 GMT -6
We are now sitting at 12-14 in a truly horrible league with four regular season games remaining. Those four games are against a murdered row of teams ranked, astonishingly, 242, 300, 314 and 244. Win three of the four against these dregs of college basketball and we will finish the regular season at 15-15, and need only win the first round HL game (against yet another dreg, or possibly one of the same group of four) to assure that we won't finish with a fourth consecutive losing season -- although we would still need to win 2 HLT games to assure a winning season. Is that too much to ask?
So what record do YOU think we need to achieve in this last stretch to conclude that the program does not need a complete change?
For me, I said it a couple weeks ago: it was 6-1 or bust in the last seven. We got the first two, choked away the third. So as far as I'm concerned it's 4-0 in the last four and win the first round HLT game.
This staff has had three years. These are all their players. All the key players are juniors and seniors. And yet three years in we have seen nothing from a coaching, recruiting or results standpoint to suggest that the program is even close to turning the corner just back to mediocrity, much less success. (Someone in the other thread said we're "average." Are you joking? We're looking up 75 spots in the rankings to "average.")
A mere winning record of a game or two above .500 isn't much, but it's all that's left to hope for in this fourth consecutive miserable season since the great purge.
If we can't even get there, it's time.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 16, 2020 14:33:37 GMT -6
I said average by the record. Your saying "we". Good god, talking about joking. Thanks for starting another thread.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 16, 2020 14:37:08 GMT -6
Defend your position. Tell us why the staff should continue if they achieve yet another losing season.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 16, 2020 14:43:08 GMT -6
On this date, I really don't care. Miffed off the Green Bay game. Onto Oakland and Detroit. Hoping for a split. Having myself go into the midset into who runs things at this school, just leads into disappointment.
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Post by 73withharoldlee on Feb 16, 2020 16:41:24 GMT -6
Willing to give staff two years and judge at that time. Next year needs to show 18 to 20 wins. If Wright State can do it we can. We need to finish in top three in conference and compete against non conference foes beating other mid majors home and away. Brown and Wilbourn are really his only players. They can be good players but need to get this season behind them. They do have an upside. We are not going to miss Roy or Abrams that much next year. With three recruits inked and PBS willingness to play freshmen there should be improvement. Brown, Baker, Wilbourn, Lucas, and Thomas doesn’t look like a bad lineup. There will be more depth with freshmen signees, Henderson, Madge, and Bigham. I am an optimist and see a need for continuity.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 16, 2020 16:46:22 GMT -6
Madge? What is the story on him this season?
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Post by bizzork on Feb 16, 2020 20:46:31 GMT -6
At this point, given the track record, anything short of a Horizon League Tournament Final appearance would get my vote for a complete change, and I wouldn't be all that opposed even if they made the NCAAs.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 16, 2020 21:17:19 GMT -6
It should also be noted that any team not named NKU or Wright that wins the HLT will immediately be slotted in as bantha fodder in Dayton. Side note: I have always hated that First Four stuff. It's the NCAA tournament VERY lite. Expand the tournament; don't create what amounts to just another barrier to the real tournament for the low major conference winners.
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 16, 2020 21:50:50 GMT -6
i'm fine with the playin round, actually. but 1 change i would make is put the at large teams in dayton, and have the auto bods go straight to Thursday. making the dance is making the dance. remember when we made the tournament final with 22 losses and were 1 win away from becoming the first 21+ loss team ever to make the dance? that would surely have sent us to Dayton, but i doubt anyone on this board would have cared.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 16, 2020 21:52:18 GMT -6
At this point, given the track record, anything short of a Horizon League Tournament Final appearance would get my vote for a complete change, and I wouldn't be all that opposed even if they made the NCAAs. This must be a joke I'm missing.
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Post by bizzork on Feb 17, 2020 7:28:26 GMT -6
It should also be noted that any team not named NKU or Wright that wins the HLT will immediately be slotted in as bantha fodder in Dayton. Side note: I have always hated that First Four stuff. It's the NCAA tournament VERY lite. Expand the tournament; don't create what amounts to just another barrier to the real tournament for the low major conference winners. I agree that the "feel" is lite, but the win share money is real; it's a good way for smaller conferences to get a cheap win in the NCAA and it counts the same as the first round. I've never been to Dayton for those games, but they look like a blast.
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Post by bizzork on Feb 17, 2020 7:33:27 GMT -6
At this point, given the track record, anything short of a Horizon League Tournament Final appearance would get my vote for a complete change, and I wouldn't be all that opposed even if they made the NCAAs. This must be a joke I'm missing. So you are convinced that Milwaukee can't just find someone equal or better than Baldwin at any point? Have the last 3 years been that great? Would a fluke First Four appearance with a 225-ish NET/KenPom rating really change anything? I'd be mildly surprised if there was a combination of NCAA appearance and dumping him, but I wouldn't be put off. There's any number of available coaches that can run "40 minutes of what the hell?" offense and perhaps some that would put in an actual structure.
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Post by Spirit of Bruce on Feb 17, 2020 16:48:24 GMT -6
Willing to give staff two years and judge at that time. Next year needs to show 18 to 20 wins. If Wright State can do it we can. We need to finish in top three in conference and compete against non conference foes beating other mid majors home and away. Brown and Wilbourn are really his only players. They can be good players but need to get this season behind them. They do have an upside. We are not going to miss Roy or Abrams that much next year. With three recruits inked and PBS willingness to play freshmen there should be improvement. Brown, Baker, Wilbourn, Lucas, and Thomas doesn’t look like a bad lineup. There will be more depth with freshmen signees, Henderson, Madge, and Bigham. I am an optimist and see a need for continuity. Am I mistaken, or aren't you one of the clown posse who when we had continuity previously (much more successful continuity, I might add, compared to the garbage we're witnessing now) couldn't upset the apple cart fast enough? Yeah. I'm pretty sure you were. So was Cactus Panther, among others. Wright State is where they are because they fired Billy Donlon and spent MORE money per year on a BETTER coach!!! Most of the clowns around this program, along with the jealous a-holes working on campus, would have a coronary if we paid the men's basketball coach the $500K+ a year Scott Nagy is getting. Instead, you'd rather nickel and dime and piss years away on the Pat Baldwins of the world, hoping for a miracle that is not forthcoming. But hey, we're saving a whopping $80K per compared to Jeter! Bravo Braun!! Give me a break.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Feb 17, 2020 18:14:01 GMT -6
I believe that is not the poster you thinking of.
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Post by Cactus Panther on Feb 17, 2020 18:31:40 GMT -6
There's any number of available coaches that can run "40 minutes of what the hell?" offense and perhaps some that would put in an actual structure.[/quote]
Naw bizzork, that's not what the offense is.
It's 40 minutes of fight, fight, fight😉.
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