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Post by BBFran on Feb 23, 2020 21:41:40 GMT -6
Right. All we have to do is win six straight.
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Post by nickpanther on Feb 23, 2020 21:55:46 GMT -6
not to suggest that history will repeat itself. but going into the 2014 conference tourney, we were expressing similar sentiment. we had lost 4 straight, dropping us to 5th and forcing us to play 4 games to get to the dance. which, remarkably, we did.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 24, 2020 1:19:00 GMT -6
not to suggest that history will repeat itself. but going into the 2014 conference tourney, we were expressing similar sentiment. we had lost 4 straight, dropping us to 5th and forcing us to play 4 games to get to the dance. which, remarkably, we did. Let me know, Nick, of the Horizon League Tournament MVP that we'll be re-inserting into our lineup in three days to help us with our championship run.
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Post by GoPanthersGo23 on Feb 24, 2020 8:08:50 GMT -6
not to suggest that history will repeat itself. but going into the 2014 conference tourney, we were expressing similar sentiment. we had lost 4 straight, dropping us to 5th and forcing us to play 4 games to get to the dance. which, remarkably, we did. Let me know, Nick, of the Horizon League Tournament MVP that we'll be re-inserting into our lineup in three days to help us with our championship run. Or any player with the "no lose attitude" and confidence like Matt Tiby.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Feb 24, 2020 8:22:49 GMT -6
Let me know, Nick, of the Horizon League Tournament MVP that we'll be re-inserting into our lineup in three days to help us with our championship run. Or any player with the "no lose attitude" and confidence like Matt Tiby. Or a coach with more than very infrequent experience with winning.
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Post by Pantherholic on Feb 24, 2020 10:14:12 GMT -6
As for next year’s roster, I’m not worried about it yet. We don’t know anything about Baker and progression will be needed from Brown and Wilbourn. There’s still one open offer and I wouldn’t be surprised if one or two others leave.
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Post by BBFran on Feb 24, 2020 10:49:43 GMT -6
As for next year’s roster, I’m not worried about it yet. We don’t know anything about Baker and progression will be needed from Brown and Wilbourn. There’s still one open offer and I wouldn’t be surprised if one or two others leave. We haven't put a single player on the roster since the purge that would have started on the 2014 or 2016 teams. But you're not worried about next year's roster? On what basis? All these kids may be good young guys but anyone looking with clear eyes can see that the basketball talent level in the last four years doesn't come close to the talent we used to put on the floor. It's also shocking (and not unrelated) that we have apparently lost any ability to recruit the state of Wisconsin with the exception of a very few kids from the Milwaukee area itself. Does that surprise anyone, considering this coaching staff had no real connections to greater Wisconsin high school basketball? We used to be option #1 for the out-state kids who could be very good college players but weren't quite at the level of being high major recruits -- think Kyle Kelm, JJ Panoske, Cody Wichmann, Austin Arians, Evan Richard, the Prahls, Bryce Nze. Now we see similar players like Grant Basile choosing Wright State and Marcus Domask choosing SIU. Carter Gilmore taking a walk-on at Wisconsin. Do you think that's a coincidence? Why would you think that our recruiting is going to significantly change for the better under the same administration at the point when the program has slipped into apparently permanent lower division status in a league that itself has collapsed into low major territory? And even if it did, do you trust that this coaching staff can mold them into champions? Once again, hope is not a strategy!
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 1, 2020 7:49:08 GMT -6
Let's cut to the chase: what's an honest, reasonable expectation for 2020-21? Are records of.500 overall and in conference too much to ask? Would, say, a 16-15 record change your opinion of this regime? What would the team need to accomplish in order for you to be truly excited or even remotely hopeful about the future?
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Post by nickpanther on Mar 1, 2020 7:59:42 GMT -6
16-15 would not cut it. Frankly we need to see significant improvement, like 18 or 19 wins. Which is 6 or 7 wins more than this year. Basically the games we choked away this year, we have to win next year.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 1, 2020 11:58:52 GMT -6
Bigs with an ability to finish around the rim would be a nice change.
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Post by Pantherholic on Mar 1, 2020 12:10:44 GMT -6
We haven't put a single player on the roster since the purge that would have started on the 2014 or 2016 teams. But you're not worried about next year's roster? On what basis? I've shifted my stance somewhat and I'm not worried about the roster simply because I have no faith Baldwin & staff can fix it. Even if it's not comparable to Jeter's last team, it won't be capable of competing for the league title next year in the league's current state. Sure, I'm intrigued to see what VBJ can do but the odds of him reshaping our offense for the better are slim at best. If PBS finally had "his" kind of team this year and ran THAT kind of offense, I don't see how we're going to be dramatically better.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 1, 2020 12:28:03 GMT -6
'Holic's ruminations have me pondering this question: who here believes in PBS?
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Post by nickpanther on Mar 1, 2020 12:39:48 GMT -6
'Holic's ruminations have me pondering this question: who here believes in PBS? I'm losing confidence in him. thats for sure. we lose, over and over, because we dont execute down the stretch. we miss free throws, we dont rebound, we give up games we have no business losing. up 3 in the final seconds? FOUL. up 2 where a 3 beats you in the final seconds? send them to the line. all they can do is tie, and you get the ball back with a chance to win. i've lose count ogf how many times we have the ball , down 1 or 2, in the final seconds, and dont even get a shot off.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 1, 2020 13:03:55 GMT -6
Let's face it: the real truth is that nothing will change because the powers that be must be completely comfortable with the status of the program. Serious question: does anyone here believe that the people in Chapman Hall who could actually do something about this have anything other than a vague notion of the team's performance this year? Braun has performed a service for them: she has made the program so irrelevant that it's completely off their plate of matters to be concerned about. With the program settling deeply into second division status in a bad league, expectations have become so low that the very, very few remaining fans have been bludgeoned into quiet submission. When people expect nothing from a program, they are satisfied when nothing is delivered by it.
How many years are left on the Arena contract? Who really thinks that we will sign a new contract there for a program that attracts under a thousand people per game, and far under that in paying fans? You could easily fit the attendance into Klotsche for every game, usually without even setting up the portable bleachers.
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Post by nickpanther on Mar 1, 2020 14:36:51 GMT -6
Let's face it: the real truth is that nothing will change because the powers that be must be completely comfortable with the status of the program. Serious question: does anyone here believe that the people in Chapman Hall who could actually do something about this have anything other than a vague notion of the team's performance this year? Braun has performed a service for them: she has made the program so irrelevant that it's completely off their plate of matters to be concerned about. With the program settling deeply into second division status in a bad league, expectations have become so low that the very, very few remaining fans have been bludgeoned into quiet submission. When people expect nothing from a program, they are satisfied when nothing is delivered by it. How many years are left on the Arena contract? Who really thinks that we will sign a new contract there for a program that attracts under a thousand people per game, and far under that in paying fans? You could easily fit the attendance into Klotsche for every game, usually without even setting up the portable bleachers. the contract is until 2024 with a university option to 2029. so 4 more years.
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