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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 30, 2018 18:29:23 GMT -6
There was a good student crowd last night. You had a pack of UIC fans at the game as well. Yet, we could only get a paid crowd (which a free student ticket, is part of the paid crowd) of 1,057.
Here are the numbers over the years for a season......
1,388-2017-18
1,462-2016-17
2,667-2015-16
3,134-2014-15 (Hosted Wisconsin)
2,847-2013-14
2,226-2012-13 (KC season)
4,154-2011-12 (Hosted Wisconsin)
4,154-2010-11 (Hosted Marquette. Hosted semi's & HL title game)
2,883-2009-10
3,275-2008-09
3,632-2007-08 (Hosted Wisconsin)
3,369-2006-07
5,305-2005-06 (HL semi & title game in that average)
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Post by A Statement By SHAUN on Jan 30, 2018 18:53:54 GMT -6
The memories....2010 to 2011 was a fun season
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Post by BBFran on Jan 30, 2018 18:56:59 GMT -6
[All we're looking for this year is probably an invite to one of those "buy in" tourneys like the CBI or CIT. Thank goodness for your players you don't have our AD!! |
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Post by panther9193 on Jan 30, 2018 20:30:55 GMT -6
Curious to hear your opinion about this - say that change is made at the top, what happens next? What are the steps to get people back at the games? That would depend on the change, now wouldn't it? We made a "change at the top" to get to this point. Change, as such, is not a strategy. Pining for "change" for "change's sake" is a path to destruction. Now, if that change involved an admission that the program has not been managed properly, and that the input and importance of alumni and donors was not recognized, and that the stated mission of the program is to win, period, that would be a good first step. But that would only be a first step. There must be follow up actions like hiring a proven AD with a track record of building a program. We cannot settle for an(other) Assistant AD from a miniscule program in the North East because they tick off certain, um, demographic boxes. We cannot allow hiring to be, even one bit, influenced by anything other that performance and PROVEN capabilities. The input of "the community" is not to be considered. That UW-M is an "urban school" cannot be considered, either, and used as a criteria for a litmus test. The new AD in this hypothetical must be a winner, no matter what he or she is otherwise. That AD must then be charged with re-engaging the donors who have fled, ingratiating the program with them, and building a foundation from which to operate. Do you realize how many alums UW-M has? There is a lot to be gained from this effort. UW is a great case study. The hiring of the right AD, the engagement of the alumni community, and the willingness to do what is necessary to win in college athletics is all it took to go from being the other Northwestern to the cream of the crop in the Big 10. It took only a few years, and once established, self perpetuates. But that means Mone needs to look up from his spreadsheets, find his, um....courage, and actually do something. That, my friends, is not going to happen. He is not that type of man. He is a professor. We are, essentially, being led by Sheldon Cooper, assisted by a gagle of nerds who may have never watched sports, much less played any. Exactly! |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 31, 2018 7:01:58 GMT -6
Pounce, are you able to get the attendance numbers from the Pearl era?
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 31, 2018 7:45:12 GMT -6
Pounce, are you able to get the attendance numbers from the Pearl era? I can't find them anymore as the years went on. I tried to find them elsewhere and had no luck. I know someone posted them in a topic before, but how does one find it over the years. I do remember some of the Pearl years was over 5,000. That was due again for hosting a HL semi & title game. So, it was never over 5,000 for a regular season average. |
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Post by steveisback on Jan 31, 2018 9:09:01 GMT -6
Seem to recall also that the first two years or Bruce were at the historic Klotsche Center
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Post by circle70 on Jan 31, 2018 9:59:47 GMT -6
Does anyone know if there is a clear-cut HL policy on how to count attendance? Is it fannies in the seats (whether paid or freebees)or is it tickets sold, regardless of whether those people were in attendance?
Our attendance at UIC is way down from previous years and we believe it's due in large part to the way the counting methodology has changed. Our previous AD apparently counted everything. Although I don't know what was changed, the new guy apparently has tightened the procedure.
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Post by steveisback on Jan 31, 2018 10:06:22 GMT -6
Not sure about that. My info was anecdotal from a very quality source in the AD who is no longer with UWM but was recruited away by a large university just west of downtown Milwaukee. Can not stand to even mention their name but I digress...brought up this a number of times about what was announced vs people in the building and this person of high integrity told me it was tickets sold or used etc. In short they counted everyone that fit those categoriesb and di not pad the numbers beyond that. Can not speak for current administration. Will let it go at that
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 31, 2018 10:10:42 GMT -6
Does anyone know if there is a clear-cut HL policy on how to count attendance? Is it fannies in the seats (whether paid or freebees)or is it tickets sold, regardless of whether those people were in attendance? Attendance numbers in MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, college sports, MLS, etc. are tickets sold/freebees. |
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Post by ghostofdylan on Jan 31, 2018 10:33:47 GMT -6
By the way, I thought that it was great to have that UIC cheering section on hand. I've missed that for the last decade or so.
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Post by BBFran on Jan 31, 2018 11:00:02 GMT -6
A simple look around the arena at our home games makes it immediately apparent that attendance has collapsed. As for the announced numbers, either they are wildly inflated (the fact that "freebies" can be counted shows just how malleable this number is)...or a very large number of people (relative to the announced attendance number) who have tickets aren't using them. Either of those two possibilities -- there are no other possibilities -- signals an urgent crisis for the program and the department.
And absolutely nothing seems to be happening about it. Our AD is seldom seen and never heard and our coach (understandably) is busy enough just trying to coach. (And if you want to be honest about it, Coach Baldwin seems to have a personality almost identical to Rob Jeter's -- which is fine with me, but which some people here thought paled in some meaningful way against the flashing neon approach of Bruce Pearl. In other words, if you think PB is going to don bodypaint and haul keggers to frat parties, and rally fans by the thousands to come to the games by sheer force of personality, I think you will be waiting a very long time. PB is not BP.)
As dylan has observed -- and he has a nearly unmatched history on this board of following and being involved in Milwaukee basketball -- we are back to the Cobb era.
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Jan 31, 2018 11:04:40 GMT -6
By the way, I thought that it was great to have that UIC cheering section on hand. I've missed that for the last decade or so. It made me think of 2004 HL Title Game. |
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Post by steveisback on Jan 31, 2018 11:08:53 GMT -6
PB is not Bruce Pearl. He is also not Rob Jeter.....PB actually has a personality
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Post by BBFran on Jan 31, 2018 11:12:05 GMT -6
PB is not Bruce Pearl. He is also not Rob Jeter.....PB actually has a personality That is pretty much exactly the same as Rob Jeter's. And that's no criticism. |
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