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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 15, 2017 10:01:03 GMT -6
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 15, 2017 10:31:07 GMT -6
Attendance
2016-17 Total 19,616 13 dates/ avg 1,461
2015-16 Total 34,676 13 dates/ avg 2,667
2014-15 Total 43,880 14 dates/ avg 3,134 (did host Wisconsin)
2013-14 Total 37,014 13 dates/ avg 2,847
2012-13 Total 31,730 14 dates/ avg 2,266 (Play all games on campus at the KC)
2011-12 Total 66,462 16 dates/ avg 4,154 (did host Wisconsin & was coming off hosting the 2011 HL Tourney)
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 15, 2017 11:28:40 GMT -6
Attendance 2016-17 Total 19,616 13 dates/ avg 1,461 2015-16 Total 34,676 13 dates/ avg 2,667 2014-15 Total 43,880 14 dates/ avg 3,134 (did host Wisconsin) 2013-14 Total 37,014 13 dates/ avg 2,847 2012-13 Total 31,730 14 dates/ avg 2,266 (Play all games on campus at the KC) 2011-12 Total 66,462 16 dates/ avg 4,154 (did host Wisconsin & was coming off hosting the 2011 HL Tourney) in 2014-15, the UW game accounted for 10,120 of the 43,880. (source: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400595405) 98% of those 10k were probably Badger fans. Adjusting the 14-15 numbers to take out the UW anomaly: 2014-15 Total 33,760 13 dates/avg 2,596Thus, Braun has never, as AD, overseen a season with average attendance in excess of 3,000 per game without the benefit of UW on the schedule, which she has guaranteed can not happen again during her tenure, as UW wants nothing to do with Braun at all, and neither does Marquette. She is the definition of toxic. But please, continue to ignore her impact on the program and insist all will be just peachy because LaVall Jordan is some sort of magician who can fix it all himself, and have UWM in the Sweet 16 every year. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 15, 2017 11:46:55 GMT -6
Thank you for the statistics, mupanther. Let me sharpen the pencil a bit. The attendance drop between 15-16 and 16-17 was an astounding, precipitous 45.2%! Nearly half of our ticket sales -- GONE! These are numbers unseen since the days of Cobb and Swetalla!
And as others have noted, the ACTUAL attendance at the games was even more shocking. Other than perhaps the GB or Valpo games, boosted by GB and Valpo fans, it is likely there was no game this year that was actually attended by as many as 1,000 people.
This is our ONLY potential revenue sport. This is it. There is nothing else. If men's basketball fails, look out below for the rest of our programs.
And how long do you think we can afford to keep paying rent to play at the Arena? The Klotsche is literally too large for our current fan base!!! We could be playing our games comfortably at Shorewood High School. Which is probably a better gym than ours, by the way.
They say those who don't study or know history are doomed to repeat it. Think we are being hyperbolic when we say the program is at dire risk of disappearing to a lower division? Some of us have already seen that happen once. And if it happens twice, don't expect it to ever come back.
Could there be any responsibility for an AD at Milwaukee more important than supporting the men's basketball program? It's almost an absurd question, because the answer is so obvious. She has presided instead over its reduction to irrelevance!
The few remaining posters here (very few, if you don't include the paid trolls) can complain all they want about how Paul and Fran and Jimmy and Nate (yeah, we are real people with real names) are being "negative." WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. The problem is that the rest of our fan base has voted with their feet. That silence you heard in the Arena? That was them choosing to be somewhere else.
Someone suggested above that changing the AD yet again will just make the problem worse. That thinking astonishes me. If you have bad management, you don't say "but we'll just keep the third bad hire because we're tired of changing it." That's absurd.
If this doesn't get changed soon, it will be too late.
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 15, 2017 12:02:21 GMT -6
Attendance 2016-17 Total 19,616 13 dates/ avg 1,461 2015-16 Total 34,676 13 dates/ avg 2,667 2014-15 Total 43,880 14 dates/ avg 3,134 (did host Wisconsin) 2013-14 Total 37,014 13 dates/ avg 2,847 2012-13 Total 31,730 14 dates/ avg 2,266 (Play all games on campus at the KC) 2011-12 Total 66,462 16 dates/ avg 4,154 (did host Wisconsin & was coming off hosting the 2011 HL Tourney) in 2014-15, the UW game accounted for 10,120 of the 43,880. (source: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400595405) 98% of those 10k were probably Badger fans. Adjusting the 14-15 numbers to take out the UW anomaly: 2014-15 Total 33,760 13 dates/avg 2,596Thus, Braun has never, as AD, overseen a season with average attendance in excess of 3,000 per game without the benefit of UW on the schedule, which she has guaranteed can not happen again during her tenure, as UW wants nothing to do with Braun at all, and neither does Marquette. She is the definition of toxic. You can blame Amanda for many things, but she is absolutely not the reason UW and Marquette do not play us. They don't play us because it is not in their best interest and I do not blame em one bit for it. If UW and MU want nothing to do with Amanda then why do they play us in every sport except Men's basketball? |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 15, 2017 12:05:53 GMT -6
Okay, point taken, 45. Now please list all the things you agree that she can be blamed for.
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 15, 2017 12:09:35 GMT -6
in 2014-15, the UW game accounted for 10,120 of the 43,880. (source: www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400595405) 98% of those 10k were probably Badger fans. Adjusting the 14-15 numbers to take out the UW anomaly: 2014-15 Total 33,760 13 dates/avg 2,596Thus, Braun has never, as AD, overseen a season with average attendance in excess of 3,000 per game without the benefit of UW on the schedule, which she has guaranteed can not happen again during her tenure, as UW wants nothing to do with Braun at all, and neither does Marquette. She is the definition of toxic. You can blame Amanda for many things, but she is absolutely not the reason UW and Marquette do not play us. They don't play us because it is not in their best interest and I do not blame em one bit for it. If UW and MU want nothing to do with Amanda then why do they play us in every sport except Men's basketball? Thank you for completely missing the point, and as usual focusing on a single element of a post completely unrelated to the point of the entire post in order to disregard the entire post. Did I misspell anything, or make a grammar mistake, while we are at it? Perhaps I used a comma where I should have used a semicolon or something??? |
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Post by PantherU on Mar 15, 2017 12:45:56 GMT -6
Someone who knows him, be sure to thank him for the shout out. Also, please point out that LaVall Jordan was not Amanda Braun's choice. He was Mark Mone's choice. AB brought him to campus to be the guy to make TJ look the best. Coach Val earned the job by selling himself and his vision perfectly to Chancellor Mone. He earned that job. So let's remember that fact right now. There has been a rift in this program for more than seven years. George Koonce brought the hammer down on a wedge that has only grown with every new AD. But this isn't because our program is somehow tainted. This is truly, 100% due to awful leadership in the athletic director job. We know this is true. Bud Haidet never screwed it up. Dave Gilbert, in his time as interim AD, did a perfectly good job running the program, even though it was too short to do anything lasting. But Koonce, Costello, Geiger and Braun were all terrible choices. I will personally take responsibility for Koonce because I was on the Search and Screen Committee that recommended him to Chancellor Santiago. Seriously though, pick a subject, any subject, and I'll draw a line for you. APR ban? Here's an excerpt from the infamous document: I put this excerpt down to show you that it's not always one decision by one athletic director, but sometimes a series of progressively worse decisions by AD's. Note that the document doesn't allege Amanda Braun did anything to bring about the APR ban, so this isn't me using the document to slam Braun. I'm just sharing an example of how a couple decisions can end up screwing the program in the long run. By the time Braun had hired the new compliance officer and had them check the APR scores, it was too late to fix anything. Her sins are elsewhere in the documents. I believe Bill Michaels had the shorter document when he referenced it this last spring. The point is, absolutely none of them could sell the sitting chancellor on the value of the program. You guys wanted Rob Jeter gone because you believed he couldn't do the job and you wanted to move on to someone else that could get the job done. That's a perfectly valid argument. Why, then, are we putting up with this person who is so egregiously unqualified to do her job? |
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Post by JG Panthers on Mar 15, 2017 14:05:15 GMT -6
Do you really think that MY return will lead to more wins, jg? I think that LJ's coaching acumen and a full year to recruit an incoming class will lead to more wins. I like this young man and I believe that he could lead us to GREAT things going forward, but only if the administration gives him its unconditional support. Unfortunately, our AD has demonstrated repeatedly that she's incapable of giving unconditional support to anyone. I'm willing to discuss the matter with civility and without name-calling. Rather, I LIKE the people that I know here! This was meant to be tongue in cheek of course. I would expect for January/February of this year to be the bottom of the valley for Lavall Jordan coached teams. Let's hope so at least. In the meantime, welcome back. I know I'm not the only that values your passionate but level-headed takes on this board. It was sorely missed. |
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on Mar 15, 2017 14:12:03 GMT -6
Same with you. It's been a year. Weird that everyone has came out of the blue. LOL
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Post by pantherwalleye on Mar 15, 2017 17:03:02 GMT -6
Redshirt here.😀 Thanks for posting media link I was hoping someone would because I dont get a chance at much radio daily. |
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Post by pantherproud on Mar 17, 2017 7:19:24 GMT -6
You can blame Amanda for many things, but she is absolutely not the reason UW and Marquette do not play us. They don't play us because it is not in their best interest and I do not blame em one bit for it. If UW and MU want nothing to do with Amanda then why do they play us in every sport except Men's basketball? Thank you for completely missing the point, and as usual focusing on a single element of a post completely unrelated to the point of the entire post in order to disregard the entire post. Did I misspell anything, or make a grammar mistake, while we are at it? Perhaps I used a comma where I should have used a semicolon or something??? I love how certain people say they want nothing to do with the program and will not come to games feel they have a right to point out low attendance....you are the problem. Also, you have your own board to rant on, why do it here as well. Last year you blasted our AD for not allowing a post season tourney, this year you are blasting the AD for allowing it. Nothing is good enough for you. I'm glad you don't come to the games. I enjoy watching them with people that actually support the program and don't try to tear it apart. |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 17, 2017 7:33:27 GMT -6
Thank you for completely missing the point, and as usual focusing on a single element of a post completely unrelated to the point of the entire post in order to disregard the entire post. Did I misspell anything, or make a grammar mistake, while we are at it? Perhaps I used a comma where I should have used a semicolon or something??? I love how certain people say they want nothing to do with the program and will not come to games feel they have a right to point out low attendance....you are the problem. Also, you have your own board to rant on, why do it here as well. Last year you blasted our AD for not allowing a post season tourney, this year you are blasting the AD for allowing it. Nothing is good enough for you. I'm glad you don't come to the games. I enjoy watching them with people that actually support the program and don't try to tear it apart. No, I blast her for being a duplicitous, lying, hypocritical, inept, amoral, unethical, in over her head, unqualified, lousy excuse of an Athletic Director. She lied to God and everyone about why the men couldn't go....the truth was she blocked it because it would be awful hard to fire the guy you hate with every fiber of your pathetic being if he manages to win a game or two in a post season tournament (of any kind) after a 20 win season with wins over 2 Big Ten teams (one of whom is also the in-state big dog). "To hell with the kids....I have a vendetta to attend to!"I am glad the Women got to go....I only wish the Men would have had the same fair shot. And as far as me being the problem: I AM THE CUSTOMER. I AM NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE MONEY TO A PROGRAM RUN BY AN IDIOT. Do you get that? Has it sunk in yet? Oh, and based on the attendance, I am far from the ONLY one who feels this way. Not only will I not spend a single red cent on this joke of program (or the University for that matter), I would not even bother to urinate on her if she were on fire. Milwaukee Athletics would be better of with NO AD than the rank putz at the helm right now. So now, off to work with you, AD Employee of the Month. And tell your boss you filled your "mindless defense of her royal highness on the internet" quota for the day. You will get your gold star, a pat on the head, and assurance that you will be employed for one more day. Good for you, buddy. |
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Post by pantherproud on Mar 17, 2017 7:41:02 GMT -6
I love how certain people say they want nothing to do with the program and will not come to games feel they have a right to point out low attendance....you are the problem. Also, you have your own board to rant on, why do it here as well. Last year you blasted our AD for not allowing a post season tourney, this year you are blasting the AD for allowing it. Nothing is good enough for you. I'm glad you don't come to the games. I enjoy watching them with people that actually support the program and don't try to tear it apart. No, I blast her for being a duplicitous, lying, hypocritical, inept, amoral, unethical, in over her head, unqualified, lousy excuse of an Athletic Director. She lied to God and everyone about why the men couldn't go....the truth was she blocked it because it would be awful hard to fire the guy you hate with every fiber of your pathetic being if he manages to win a game or two in a post season tournament (of any kind) after a 20 win season with wins over 2 Big Ten teams (one of whom is also the in-state big dog). "To hell with the kids....I have a vendetta to attend to!"I am glad the Women got to go....I only wish the Men would have had the same fair shot. And as far as me being the problem: I AM THE CUSTOMER. I AM NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE MONEY TO A PROGRAM RUN BY AN IDIOT. Do you get that? Has it sunk in yet? Oh, and based on the attendance, I am far from the ONLY one who feels this way. Not only will I not spend a single red cent on this joke of program (or the University for that matter), I would not even bother to urinate on her if she were on fire. Milwaukee Athletics would be better of with NO AD than the rank putz at the helm right now. So now, off to work with you, AD Employee of the Month. And tell your boss you filled your "mindless defense of her royal highness on the internet" quota for the day. You will get your gold star, a pat on the head, and assurance that you will be employed for one more day. Good for you, buddy. You are right, you aren't obligated to spend money on the program. So if you have left the fanbase why do you feel the need to come on the Internet and act like a jerk to people who do go to the games and support the team. Seems like you are a miserable prick with no life to speak of. Good for you. You should be proud to come on here and talk about urinating like a 6th grader. Very classy. |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 17, 2017 8:08:14 GMT -6
I complain because I want the program to succeed, and that does not equate to supporting which ever inept idiot is at the helm.
If you are unclear on my history, allow me to enlighten you:
Before we hired the first of 4 successive idiots (culminating with the supreme idiot in place today) I spent thousands of dollars on season tickets...buying more than I needed every season to bring new potential fans to the games with me in order to try to grow the fan base.
In addition, I donated as much as I could afford at the time to the Panther Fund, which some years was not much I will grant you, but I gave every cent I could.
I spent countless hours of my personal time trying to lobby the Athletic Department (specifically the Development Director at the time) to increase donor and fan engagement, building proposals for multiple programs, some of which were, and are, standard things successful programs do and we didn't then and don't to this day. I also worked with a few others to propose reasonable expansion plans for other programs (specifically baseball and soccer), and made every effort to get them to the attention of the administration.
I also took it upon myself to schedule and pay for and in home team event at my personal residence...at entirely my own expense. An event that I had to educate the Athletic Department on the legality of under NCAA rules, doing all the compliance research and providing the AD all the supporting documentation....mind you, the AD has a compliance department that had no idea that such a thing was allowed by the NCAA at all.
I made it a point to get to know the coaches and more importantly the players and some of their families as well, to make sure they felt supported and part of the Panther family. I count some of them as friends to this day.
So while I was doing all this, most of you were buying $5 tickets, and posting on the internet.....and some of you not even doing that on a regular basis.
I would love Coach Jordan to have all the tools he needs to succeed.
I would love to be able to see him recruit at a national level.
I would love for him to play in front of a packed Panther Arena, with a student section made up of more than the pep band and 4 people.
I would love to write checks to the Panther Fund to help make a lot of this happen.
I would love to host an annual team party again.
I would love to get to know the kids on the roster, and the coaches and staff.
I would love to see my team in the Big Dance every season, and become known nationally as a stellar program.
I would love to be able to tell people that I went to Milwaukee and have them not ask me if I mean Marquette or Madison.
I would love to have a program that instills pride and is seen as a winner, and not just in basketball.
I would love to see the baseball team, the only D1 program in the state, become a source of revenue that isn't forced to play in a Milwaukee County Park on the same field that the "over 40 baseball bar league" would use.
I would love to see the Women become a powerhouse along side the men.
I would love to have a soccer teams that are in the top tier of programs nationally (and I don't even like soccer at all).
None of this will happen with the AD we have, or her predecessors, for that matter. Sadly we are closer to leaving D1 than we are any of the things I just mentioned.
So....in short....do not dare tell me what I can and cannot do. Do not dare question my dedication to the program or the University.
Just because I am not a shameless suck up prostituting myself for the currently in power administrator does not make me less of a fan. In fact....it makes me a true fan - of the program, not the nob in charge. It makes me one of many who want better for the program than constant humiliation, failure, ineptitude, and floundering while other programs similarly situated 10 or 15 years ago have blossomed into major programs while we dabble in the land of High School Gym home games with High School level attendance.
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