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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2017 13:19:45 GMT -6
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on Mar 14, 2017 14:53:36 GMT -6
shhhh Fran.
Nothing to see here. Lying is not only acceptable at UW Milwaukee, it is encouraged and rewarded.
Besides, no one on this board cares about how duplicitous and dishonest Braun is anyway....as long as she continues to sign their pay checks. I believe that about 85% of the "posters" on this board are the same 3 Athletics Department employees, after all.
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Post by insanity on Mar 14, 2017 15:17:15 GMT -6
The worst thing about this is no one but the boards are saying anything. Not a word in the media, so once again she gets away with it.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 14, 2017 15:25:31 GMT -6
Hi!!! It's been a long time!
How long before THIS thread is locked and posts are deleted?
By the way, I have friends on this board. I deeply miss the bygone days when we knew who everyone was and we could have civil disagreements without forum shutdowns.
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Post by insanity on Mar 14, 2017 15:36:58 GMT -6
Fran you should send a note to Mark
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Post by PantherNation on Mar 14, 2017 17:16:17 GMT -6
It's not that no one on this board cares, it's that most of us have moved on. Believe me, I was just as pissed as anyone when Braun denied the guys a postseason bid. My email to her was made public via the open records search so there's no denying I gave her my true thoughts on the job she's doing. But everything we try falls on deaf ears and the media could care less. So why waste my breath?
I'm not the kind of fan that just stops going to games. And if that makes me a traitor or someone who supports the AD, then feel free to have that opinion. But Panther games are something I enjoy going to and something I have a long streak of not missing. And I'm not going to let one bad AD ruin it for me. I've become accustomed to us having incompetence in that position so what's to make me think she would be replaced with anything better?
You guys can continue to boycott games and post nothing but negative stuff about the people that continue to support the program... that's your choice. But don't piss on anyone that doesn't join the movement. There are enough things in my life to worry about or get upset about. UWM basketball is what I use to escape those things. Not create more of it. I don't disagree with your issues; however, I won't stop supporting the innocent people in this situation (players, new coaches, fans, etc.).
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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2017 17:17:57 GMT -6
A note is too short for what I have in mind.
And yes, eunuch board members. I'm back. After this spectacularly awful season it's time to wrest the character of this board back from the abyss.
Our program is DYING. Repeat: the D1 Milwaukee basketball program IS DYING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES.
The devastating erosion of interest has INEVITABLE consequences. We need to change that inevitability -- or not complain when the program is gone for good. Everyone knows HOW that can change. It starts by the University applying accountability. Let's just say that if you compared the quality of the job our last coach got fired for even if you think it was time for him to go to the quality of the job our AD has done since her arrival -- well, it couldn't be more obvious that the wrong person was fired. And it's not just men's basketball. Remember when we used to be an all-sports power in the Horizon League? Hold that memory, because it's eroding fast. Can somebody tell me what this person has actually achieved to make the Milwaukee program better today than when she joined -- or even to get it in shouting distance of where Bud Haidet had it? Anyone? Bueller?
As Jimmy has pointed out repeatedly, this has nothing to do with Jordan or his staff. They have exactly as much control of this situation as Jeter and his staff had. Almost none. I can only feel bad for them, and worse for the players. Any player here under this athletic administration should expect to be kicked in the teeth by it eventually. Understand this well: an incompetent administrator is a one trick pony. If the team doesn't somehow magically achieve the impossible standards she set for it (yes of course I know she was lying; but once uttered, lies take on a life of their own), and the heat starts rising under her backside, she only has one play: she'll fire Jordan, chase away any good players who have the ability and belated good sense to transfer, and try to save her own position by blaming them (and their families) again for her failures. Hey -- it worked once! Of course, by then the drumbeat in the legislature (oh yes, it has started) may be so loud that we can start planning our wild road trips to Oshkosh and Platteville. I hear there's a great sports bar in Point!
So it's up to us -- the few remaining fans who appear to care enough any more even to talk about the program. That's what she has done more successfully than anything else: destroyed interest. She alienated so many. Infuriated people who supported this program since before she was in diapers. Acted so callously and deceitfully that it literally turns many of our stomachs to see what has happened to this program that we absolutely loved.
So brace yourself boys and trolls. I'm back.
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Post by FTA1982 on Mar 14, 2017 17:40:54 GMT -6
Cool.
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 14, 2017 18:31:28 GMT -6
'Nation, I don't think that was a call for boycott as much as a call to arms. Fran can answer for himself on that.
Here's a fact, my friends, attendance this year plummeted from 2,667 to 1,460 ... in ONE YEAR. And even worse, I attended a game incognito and the declared attendance was FAR smaller than what was announced.
In fact, attendance has crashed by nearly 285 percent from only five years ago BAG (before Andy Geiger), when we averaged 4,154. Together, we can say that we don't want an underperforming athletics program where deceit and duplicity prevail.
As we've all seen repeatedly over the last several months, this is where we are today with Amanda Braun. So what are we all going to do about it? It's not like a Panther to sit on its paws!
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 14, 2017 18:53:21 GMT -6
Our program is DYING. Repeat: the D1 Milwaukee basketball program IS DYING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES. One win away from the NCAA tournament with a team led by underclassmen and our program is dying? I'm gonna go ahead and respectfully disagree with ya there. |
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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2017 20:04:51 GMT -6
Tell me the pitch that will get fans to return to the Arena next year. "Sure, we lost 24 games in a year when the Horizon League was worse than it has ever been in its history -- but we beat two horrible teams and a crippled, demoralized Valpo in an empty, decrepit arena in Detroit before losing in the final to a fourth place NKU team. Woohoo! Get your tickets while you can!"
I don't mean to knock the effort our kids gave in Detroit. But if you think there's something to build on here from the standpoint of bringing fans back, you're very sadly mistaken. dylan has given the shocking stats for how our attendance has evaporated. There are two components to that explosive decline. First, those who absolutely will not return until we have a program we can be proud of again. That will NEVER happen while she's here. Obviously, that's a large number of fans. And second, the more casual fans, who saw this debacle coming when she chased away the coaches and our best players; they paid essentially no attention to the team this year (obviously) and will see only its horrible record when the ticket mailers show up next year. (That's assuming there's actually any money left in the budget to have mailers.) Tell them all you want about how we looked good against Youngstown. Good luck.
But I'm not challenging you -- I'm pretty sure marketing isn't actually your job with the department. But out of curiosity, whose job is it? Who's the wizard who can sell this ugly mess to fans with other choices? Who's the development genius who will convince donors like me to hold our noses and come back knowing that at the first wobble she'll make another terrible decision?
And frankly, who are the coaches who will convince the kind of great recruits that Jeter and Boudreau attracted so often to take a chance on Milwaukee considering the level of duplicity and incompetence that hangs over our athletic program like a black cloud?
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Post by ghostofdylan on Mar 14, 2017 20:13:07 GMT -6
Our program is DYING. Repeat: the D1 Milwaukee basketball program IS DYING RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES. One win away from the NCAA tournament with a team led by underclassmen and our program is dying? I'm gonna go ahead and respectfully disagree with ya there. 11-24 overall and 4-14 in the conference with an unexpected three-game tournament run through overmatched, undermanned and dispirited opponents. But let's give credit to LaVall and his players. It's not even about the product on the court. Let's talk about attendance. Take a look around. Where are the people? Show me the people! |
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Post by mkehoops on Mar 14, 2017 20:15:18 GMT -6
Attendance is certainly an issue but let's not act like it's entirely Amanda's fault. Attendance started trending down many years before her arrival.
Has she done anything to improve it? No and that's the bigger problem.
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Post by BBFran on Mar 14, 2017 20:37:55 GMT -6
There is a huge difference between a "downward trend" (largely the result of the horrible decision to banish the team to the Klotsche) and an attendance implosion. That's 100% on her. 100%.
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Post by MKEPanthers45 on Mar 14, 2017 20:37:57 GMT -6
One win away from the NCAA tournament with a team led by underclassmen and our program is dying? I'm gonna go ahead and respectfully disagree with ya there. 11-24 overall and 4-14 in the conference with an unexpected three-game tournament run through overmatched, undermanned and dispirited opponents. But let's give credit to LaVall and his players. It's not even about the product on the court. Let's talk about attendance. Take a look around. Where are the people? Show me the people! Maybe Valpo was undermanned and dispirited but I don't think you can say the same for Detroit and UIC. Like said above, attendance has been down for years, not just for us, but for most of college basketball. The main reason attendance was down so far for us this year IMO was losing(Playing multiple games at the K didn't help either). To the casual fan, if you expect to see a loss, you are a lot less likely to come. I'm sure you will see a rise in attendance next season. |
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