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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on May 13, 2016 13:47:24 GMT -6
How many times do I have to say that this isn't about Rob Jeter? THIS IS NOT ABOUT ROB JETERMatt Tiby's attitude? Sure, the guy has 'attitude.' He also might have more school pride than anyone, considering he is speaking up to try and instill change when he has no need to do so anymore. I agree its not about Rob anymore. So what I'm still waiting for is an answer on what the sabotage was and why firing yet another AD is the answer or even warranted. I don't think you've made a good case for firing Amanda Braun other than you don't like her. Everything you call sabotage is the circumstances the program has had since the 1990's. You complain we've had too many AD's which has led to instability in the program, yet you want more turnover. What you do seem to want is a better practice situation which our current AD is actually trying to address. So please tell me specifically, why do we need to fire the AD? Cutting the recruiting budget year over year was unique to Braun, and is absolute fact. Cutting the travel budget year over year was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Not promoting the perfect APR score was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Harassing the staff on games days, and during games, was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Seating a known anti-Jeter booster behind the bench during a Big 10 road game was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Rejecting an overseas trip is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Lying to parents, boosters and the media about why the trip was rejected is unique to Braun, and is absolute fact. Lying to and alienating donors is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Fraudulently re-purposing donated funds for purposes other than what they were donated for is unique to Braun, and is absolute fact. Rejecting post-season invitations was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Lying about why post season invites were decline is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Firing staff that spoke up in the climate study is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Firing a coach for "performance" in the same season he earned contractual performance bonuses is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Should I continue? Do you need further examples of Braun's unprofessional and offensive behavior? |
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Post by PantherU on May 13, 2016 13:54:38 GMT -6
I agree its not about Rob anymore. So what I'm still waiting for is an answer on what the sabotage was and why firing yet another AD is the answer or even warranted. I don't think you've made a good case for firing Amanda Braun other than you don't like her. Everything you call sabotage is the circumstances the program has had since the 1990's. You complain we've had too many AD's which has led to instability in the program, yet you want more turnover. What you do seem to want is a better practice situation which our current AD is actually trying to address. So please tell me specifically, why do we need to fire the AD? Did you listen to Bill Michaels' segment on Wednesday? |
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Post by pantherproud on May 13, 2016 13:56:15 GMT -6
I agree its not about Rob anymore. So what I'm still waiting for is an answer on what the sabotage was and why firing yet another AD is the answer or even warranted. I don't think you've made a good case for firing Amanda Braun other than you don't like her. Everything you call sabotage is the circumstances the program has had since the 1990's. You complain we've had too many AD's which has led to instability in the program, yet you want more turnover. What you do seem to want is a better practice situation which our current AD is actually trying to address. So please tell me specifically, why do we need to fire the AD? Cutting the recruiting budget year over year was unique to Braun, and is absolute fact. Cutting the travel budget year over year was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Not promoting the perfect APR score was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Harassing the staff on games days, and during games, was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Seating a known anti-Jeter booster behind the bench during a Big 10 road game was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Rejecting an overseas trip is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Lying to parents, boosters and the media about why the trip was rejected is unique to Braun, and is absolute fact. Lying to and alienating donors is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Fraudulently re-purposing donated funds for purposes other than what they were donated for is unique to Braun, and is absolute fact. Rejecting post-season invitations was unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Lying about why post season invites were decline is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Firing staff that spoke up in the climate study is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Firing a coach for "performance" in the same season he earned contractual performance bonuses is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. Should I continue? Do you need further examples of Braun's unprofessional and offensive behavior? Gee I was waiting for you to show up and make a bad case for her firing and here you are - right on time.. State budgets being cut across the board for last 3 years is absolute fact. That's reflected in departments outside athletics as well. Still haven't seen anything about the "lies" you speak of regarding the trips or post season invites. In fact, she has very publicly stated why the overseas trip didn't happen and why we didn't go to the postseason. No lies there, just the fact you don't like the reasoning. Re-purposing donated funds?? Not sure what that even means. Donated funds are just that, donated. By definition that would mean the donor doesn't keep control of what they get used for. BTW i'm a donor and i'm not alienated, actually being welcomed with open arms. So again, all i'm hearing is - you don't like Braun. |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on May 13, 2016 14:18:02 GMT -6
And all the rest of us hear is you like your boss....ooops, I mean Braun since you are just a donor and stuff....wink wink. She lied about why the trip was denied to parents in email. Claimed there was no money. Emails now prove that Nicholas offered to pay for the whole trip. Same story with the post season invites. Lied about why we were not going (ON TV NO LESS) and then the emails from Nicholas proved her a liar. But I you think it's A-OK to lie to players, parents, donors and the media, then by all means cheer-lead the hell out of Amanda Braun. If you think it's A-OK to fire coaches for performance when you simultaneously pay them a performance bonus, please proceed with that idiotic argument. If you think it's A-OK to create a culture of fear and intimidation and call it "leadership", please be my guest. That says more about you than it does Braun. You talk about people that said Jeter was a total jerk (all 4 of them on the planet)...one I am sure named Braun and 3 who work for her as her toadies. Even the most ardent "fire Jeter" people never tried to make that idiotic argument. Jeter was literally the nicest guy in whatever room he was in....and maybe that was part of his problem, but a jerk he was not....not EVER. Of course, since you have "been welcomed with open arms", you know everything. You are so connected. You have been around here for all of 5 minutes and know everything. Honestly, you are shill and have no rational arguments other than "Braun is cool, Jeter was a jerk, everything is great". Meanwhile the entire sports world is looking at UWM and asking "what the actual f*ck is wrong with those people". If you aren't a shill, then come out of the shadows and give your name. I dare you. EVERYONE knows who I am, and I am not hiding it. Not for a single second. Why are you?  But you know everything, so please tell me how wrong I am again. And when she gets fired (and she will, TRUST me on that) you can cry in your beer over the loss of such a great AD. |
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Post by Pantherholic on May 13, 2016 15:34:47 GMT -6
Lying about why post season invites were decline is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. So she should've told parents she plans on firing Jeter at a later time but ask to keep that quiet for the time being? |
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Post by pantherproud on May 13, 2016 15:55:22 GMT -6
Lying about why post season invites were decline is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. So she should've told parents she plans on firing Jeter at a later time but ask to keep that quiet for the time being? Thank you. That's the point I've been trying to make the whole time. All I keep hearing is a lot of words from darkhawk that say he likes jeter and hates braun. Not logical arguments about anything. |
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Post by distantfan on May 13, 2016 16:01:39 GMT -6
... have listened to the recent radio broadcasts and scanned the blacked out emails.
More indication of dysfunctional leadership.
If I'm a student-athlete or the parent of a current or recruited student-athlete:
"red flag, red flag, red flag ..."
Seeing people seemingly close to the situation continue to defend and dismiss makes every "red flag" a RED FLAG.
Can't change what you don't acknowledge. SAD
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Post by PantherU on May 13, 2016 16:05:02 GMT -6
Lying about why post season invites were decline is unique to Braun and is absolute fact. So she should've told parents she plans on firing Jeter at a later time but ask to keep that quiet for the time being? "I apologize for the abrupt end to your sons' season, but the university has decided that pursuing a postseason appearance is not in the best interest of the program at this time." You give a non-answer, you give a roundabout answer, you apologize for not answering, you say whatever you need to say without lying to people who have a vested interest in your program's success. Parents of players should be at or near the top of that list. Don't lie. It's really simple. Need I mention that Braun herself wrote in an e-mail that they probably should have "made the larger move" first? She admitted herself, in one of the unblocked e-mails, that she messed up on this point. Had she fired Jeter first, you'd have had me and a few people questioning why we didn't play in the postseason. Hell, you could have fired Jeter and named one of his assistants interim coach and played in the postseason anyways! If the team went and won one of those tournaments with, say, Boudreau as interim HC, there would be another justification for firing Jeter - someone else got more out of them. |
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Post by Pantherholic on May 13, 2016 16:52:22 GMT -6
"I apologize for the abrupt end to your sons' season, but the university has decided that pursuing a postseason appearance is not in the best interest of the program at this time." I can just see Tiby & Springs' families reading that and saying "Oh that's too bad but I respect her decision." I can see it happening but not in this universe. |
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Post by Pantherholic on May 13, 2016 16:55:44 GMT -6
Hell, you could have fired Jeter and named one of his assistants interim coach and played in the postseason anyways! If the team went and won one of those tournaments with, say, Boudreau as interim HC, there would be another justification for firing Jeter - someone else got more out of them. And since she planned on firing the entire staff anyways, she's going to wait to fire them AFTER they just win a tournament? That's the opposite of logical. |
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Post by theDarkHawkReturns on May 13, 2016 17:06:49 GMT -6
Holic, doesn't it seem a bit tourtured to try to figure out how to fire a coach who just got post season invites? I mean, especially since not making post season play is why you are supposedly firing the guy in the first place.
Same thing she did to the tennis coach. "Here is your performance bonus for winning the conference, etc. Now I regret to inform you that you are fired due to poor performance."
It IS just that stupid, and she did it....twice now. If you want to fire Jeter, fine, then fire him after a crap season. Don't wait until you can skim enough koney into a slush fund, and then do it after a not crap season, and then say it was all because of crap seasons.
She lied about why she fired him, on top of lying about firing him, after lying about how she is paying for firing him, after lying to people to get the money to pay for firing him.
Is it so hard to see she is a liar?
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Post by Pounce Needs Pals on May 13, 2016 18:17:12 GMT -6
You talk about people that said Jeter was a total jerk (all 4 of them on the planet)...one I am sure named Braun and 3 who work for her as her toadies. Even the most ardent "fire Jeter" people never tried to make that idiotic argument. Jeter was literally the nicest guy in whatever room he was in....and maybe that was part of his problem, but a jerk he was not....not EVER. Of course, since you have "been welcomed with open arms", you know everything. You are so connected. You have been around here for all of 5 minutes and know everything. Honestly, you are shill and have no rational arguments other than "Braun is cool, Jeter was a jerk, everything is great". Meanwhile the entire sports world is looking at UWM and asking "what the actual f*ck is wrong with those people". . Was Jeter a jerk? No. I have heard from tons of people, myself included that always got the cold shoulder from Rob Jeter. I had a great relationship with the rest of the coaching staff. I'm sure it might be a case in knowing who to trust, but a simple hello, thank you and handshake goes a long way. |
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Post by PantherU on May 13, 2016 20:05:29 GMT -6
Was Jeter a jerk? No. I have heard from tons of people, myself included that always got the cold shoulder from Rob Jeter. I had a great relationship with the rest of the coaching staff. I'm sure it might be a case in knowing who to trust, but a simple hello, thank you and handshake goes a long way. So would you be willing to agree that at least some people, possibly more, are willing to look past potential faults in Amanda Braun's body of work as Director of Athletics because they don't care how the change was made as long as it was made? Would you be willing to agree that these people may have come to that "ends justify the means" conclusion because they have a personal dislike of Rob Jeter due to these "cold shoulder" moments where they didn't get their fanboy moments that they got with Bruce Pearl? Would you be willing to agree that the stoicism of Jeter relative to the flamboyant Pearl lead to certain people were clamoring for a coach with a wildly outgoing personality over a coach who is calm and measured on the sideline? And moreover, since a coach's demeanor makes little difference in relation to success (wild Bobby Gonzalez failed at Seton Hall, while stoic Brad Stevens of Butler could be the greatest coach in a generation), that their motivation for wanting Rob Jeter fired at all costs was driven by personal animus rather than a basis in results? Would you agree that personal dislike for Rob Jeter could drive someone to ignore certain things, such as the fact that in 120 years of basketball history that heights reached in Bruce Pearl's final season have never been matched before or since, and judging one coach based solely on his inability to reach a Sweet 16 is rather ignorant of our history as a program? Or that they may ignore the almost universally-held truth that Bruce Pearl consistently broke the rules in recruiting and Rob Jeter was above board, essentially creating an apples and oranges comparison? Or they may blame the 2014-15 season and the APR ban on Rob Jeter, despite NCAA findings and Bill Michaels' report Wednesday that show the team was banned due to administrative malpractice? Or they can ignore the fact that the absolute best time to part with Rob Jeter was after next season, when his contract was ending and the senior-to-be-laden roster was largely intact whereas the rosters everywhere else in the conference are imploding? And on that last point, that they may blindly agree with Amanda's assertion that coaches aren't kept in the final year of their contract, despite not only isn't it "not done" to keep coaches in the final year of their contracts, but many work on one-year contracts (Scott Nagy at South Dakota State)? It's not personal for everyone. People want to taste the fine wine of 2005 again, and they may believe that there was no chance of that with Rob Jeter as head coach. But it became personal for a lot of people, many of whom are reading this right now. And they can spend their time and effort saying I "hate" Amanda Braun in order to justify their own vitriol. But know I can see right through it, and I'm not the only one who seemingly has x-ray vision. I'm happy to go back to making this a discussion about Amanda Braun's work as athletic director. But if people want to keep talking about Rob Jeter, I'm happy to try and discern why they're so interested in doing so despite the guy being given his walking papers almost two full months ago. |
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Post by pantherproud on May 13, 2016 20:10:34 GMT -6
Was Jeter a jerk? No. I have heard from tons of people, myself included that always got the cold shoulder from Rob Jeter. I had a great relationship with the rest of the coaching staff. I'm sure it might be a case in knowing who to trust, but a simple hello, thank you and handshake goes a long way. So would you be willing to agree that at least some people, possibly more, are willing to look past potential faults in Amanda Braun's body of work as Director of Athletics because they don't care how the change was made as long as it was made? Would you be willing to agree that these people may have come to that "ends justify the means" conclusion because they have a personal dislike of Rob Jeter due to these "cold shoulder" moments where they didn't get their fanboy moments that they got with Bruce Pearl? Would you be willing to agree that the stoicism of Jeter relative to the flamboyant Pearl lead to certain people were clamoring for a coach with a wildly outgoing personality over a coach who is calm and measured on the sideline? And moreover, since a coach's demeanor makes little difference in relation to success (wild Bobby Gonzalez failed at Seton Hall, while stoic Brad Stevens of Butler could be the greatest coach in a generation), that their motivation for wanting Rob Jeter fired at all costs was driven by personal animus rather than a basis in results? Would you agree that personal dislike for Rob Jeter could drive someone to ignore certain things, such as the fact that in 120 years of basketball history that heights reached in Bruce Pearl's final season have never been matched before or since, and judging one coach based solely on his inability to reach a Sweet 16 is rather ignorant of our history as a program? Or that they may ignore the almost universally-held truth that Bruce Pearl consistently broke the rules in recruiting and Rob Jeter was above board, essentially creating an apples and oranges comparison? Or they may blame the 2014-15 season and the APR ban on Rob Jeter, despite NCAA findings and Bill Michaels' report Wednesday that show the team was banned due to administrative malpractice? Or they can ignore the fact that the absolute best time to part with Rob Jeter was after next season, when his contract was ending and the senior-to-be-laden roster was largely intact whereas the rosters everywhere else in the conference are imploding? And on that last point, that they may blindly agree with Amanda's assertion that coaches aren't kept in the final year of their contract, despite not only isn't it "not done" to keep coaches in the final year of their contracts, but many work on one-year contracts (Scott Nagy at South Dakota State)? It's not personal for everyone. People want to taste the fine wine of 2005 again, and they may believe that there was no chance of that with Rob Jeter as head coach. But it became personal for a lot of people, many of whom are reading this right now. And they can spend their time and effort saying I "hate" Amanda Braun in order to justify their own vitriol. But know I can see right through it, and I'm not the only one who seemingly has x-ray vision. I'm happy to go back to making this a discussion about Amanda Braun's work as athletic director. But if people want to keep talking about Rob Jeter, I'm happy to try and discern why they're so interested in doing so despite the guy being given his walking papers almost two full months ago. I'm happy to not talk about Rob jeter but I'm still waiting for a good non rob related reason why the ad should be fired. You didn't like her statement about why no postseason this year. ..hardly grounds for dismissal. I'm a rational person and I have been given no proof of fraud, etc. Makes it seem like a witch hunt. |
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Post by PantherU on May 13, 2016 20:12:01 GMT -6
So would you be willing to agree that at least some people, possibly more, are willing to look past potential faults in Amanda Braun's body of work as Director of Athletics because they don't care how the change was made as long as it was made? Would you be willing to agree that these people may have come to that "ends justify the means" conclusion because they have a personal dislike of Rob Jeter due to these "cold shoulder" moments where they didn't get their fanboy moments that they got with Bruce Pearl? Would you be willing to agree that the stoicism of Jeter relative to the flamboyant Pearl lead to certain people were clamoring for a coach with a wildly outgoing personality over a coach who is calm and measured on the sideline? And moreover, since a coach's demeanor makes little difference in relation to success (wild Bobby Gonzalez failed at Seton Hall, while stoic Brad Stevens of Butler could be the greatest coach in a generation), that their motivation for wanting Rob Jeter fired at all costs was driven by personal animus rather than a basis in results? Would you agree that personal dislike for Rob Jeter could drive someone to ignore certain things, such as the fact that in 120 years of basketball history that heights reached in Bruce Pearl's final season have never been matched before or since, and judging one coach based solely on his inability to reach a Sweet 16 is rather ignorant of our history as a program? Or that they may ignore the almost universally-held truth that Bruce Pearl consistently broke the rules in recruiting and Rob Jeter was above board, essentially creating an apples and oranges comparison? Or they may blame the 2014-15 season and the APR ban on Rob Jeter, despite NCAA findings and Bill Michaels' report Wednesday that show the team was banned due to administrative malpractice? Or they can ignore the fact that the absolute best time to part with Rob Jeter was after next season, when his contract was ending and the senior-to-be-laden roster was largely intact whereas the rosters everywhere else in the conference are imploding? And on that last point, that they may blindly agree with Amanda's assertion that coaches aren't kept in the final year of their contract, despite not only isn't it "not done" to keep coaches in the final year of their contracts, but many work on one-year contracts (Scott Nagy at South Dakota State)? It's not personal for everyone. People want to taste the fine wine of 2005 again, and they may believe that there was no chance of that with Rob Jeter as head coach. But it became personal for a lot of people, many of whom are reading this right now. And they can spend their time and effort saying I "hate" Amanda Braun in order to justify their own vitriol. But know I can see right through it, and I'm not the only one who seemingly has x-ray vision. I'm happy to go back to making this a discussion about Amanda Braun's work as athletic director. But if people want to keep talking about Rob Jeter, I'm happy to try and discern why they're so interested in doing so despite the guy being given his walking papers almost two full months ago. I'm happy to not talk about Rob jeter but I'm still waiting for a good non rob related reason why the ad should be fired. You didn't like her statement about why no postseason this year. ..hardly grounds for dismissal. I'm a rational person and I have been given no proof of fraud, etc. Makes it seem like a witch hunt. I wasn't talking about you. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using proboards |
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